Toulon wants Habana to start at the end of the month

Its already starting to unravel, Toulon owner has requested that Habana start for duty for his club at the end of the month. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't habana contracted till October.

I had thought so king CORN.

Stuff these frogs is all I can say. Waving their filthy lucre and tempting our boys like this. They have No pride in themselves -parasites. Reminds me of the bulle and sharks! 

 That is the problem with the current system is that foreing clubs comes at the beginning of the year and signs a player. The Unions are only worried about super rugby and its results. When the players gets a big offer it means that they are off their books and no longer have to pay the player. It now becomes SARU problem to try and keep them. 

I think Sanzar needs to put a law in that local players can only be approached after the Southern Hemisphere season and that if the foreing clubs want to release them earlier then they would have to be a release few to the unions and to SARU. 

Further, I also thinkt hat we need a transfer window

 Agree that most of the foreing players we can do without, but if you look at the current squad, most of those 'foreign' players only signed contracts this year and most of them played super rugby until a month ago. In Meyers mind he thought he had most of the guys until the end of the year. Now he lost half of his team. 

could not agree more mike but it seems like in this instance the tail wags the dog and meyer is obsessed with having the best on the park irespective of where that player is based. his selection policys has created this mess. i promise you this wont be the last that we see something like this. really sad to see that SARU needs to bend over for a french club.

steyn vermaak kirchner should not even be in the squad let alone in the team but once again we are being forced into this situation. louw's loyality is also in question after being offered a contract back home he basicly middle fingered saru and said he wants to stay at bath seeing that meyer is buttering his bread on both sides so why much he come back in any case.

SARU NEEDS TO CATCH WAKEUP BAN ALL OVERSEAS BASED PLAYERS

The French must get lost, especially the owner of Toulon. 

About a year ago the owner of Toulon said publicly that Bakkies Botha would not be released for international duty, then the IRB intervened because national duty takes priority over club games.

Agreed on banning most of the overseas players though- ones that we can easily replace.

Why is Kirchner in the squad, if he is not even 2nd choice? 

Lambie is on the bench for Fullback. 

Vermaak is good but can easily be covered.

a bit of perspective please my brus, when u read the articles on the matter like the one in the link below,,,

www.iol.co.za/sport/rugby/springboks/habana-gets-early-toulon-call-up-1.1567511

u will see that boudejellal dosent want to take habana away from the Boks, he only wants habana to play in the week that the Boks are not playing and as he mentioned he will ask for permission first, meaning hes aware that he might not get him as per the original agreement.

i also think that anyone here who is all for selecting players based overseas dosent have a leg to stand on when complaining about toulons request, though ive notcied u dont have a leg to stand on in most of ur whinging, but that dosent deter the masses, LMAO, :oD

i also dont know how this equates in the french not having any pride for themselves, its a professional world and if hypothetically speaking habana was to say i will play for toulon over the Boks, how is that toulons fault??? at the end of the day, its habanas choice.
and come on beeno1 aka storminged, remids u of the bulls and the sharks??? hello pot, brother beeno is calling u black.

i like the idea of a transfer window, but not mikeys idea of running it through SARU first. SARU have proved very incompetent and ive got no doubt they will do everything within their power to taint any potnetial deals,e specially where top priority players are involved, its best that neogtiations be left what they are, but within a transfer window of sorts.
my spider senses are telling me that within the next 5 years, the transfer window will be in full effect.

@sharkbok,
for some reason, the RC/4nats falls in a timeframe where players dont have to be released fo international duties, the pumas got a special dispensation from the IRB to allow their union to get priority, as the bulk of their players were in the NH.

and thats the first i heard about the IRB intervening with bakkies, any links on this matter would be appreciated.

"Agreed on banning most of the overseas players though- ones that we can easily replace."
NZ have something similar, they give their top players sabaticals, where they can go make some extra cash overseas or in McCaws and carters case just take a break,all the while they are still signed up with the NZRU, something for SARU to look at.

 Very good point, mike.

meyer selected way to many bulls. Even his coaching staff are from the bulls. I would'nt have mind if the bulls was a championship team, but they showed this year that they simply don't have the hunger. They basically through away the semis. 

On the Toulon bos, why even put the request in, it disrupts the team. This guy has loads of players that can do the job, and its not even a top team. 

On the ordinary players, Steyn was on his way out last year and both Lambie and Goosen was hot on his heals, he improved his game this year and Lambie whent backwards, thanks to Meyer telling him to become a robot like Steyn. But maybe he is seeing the light. Not sure how long he will play with Willie before starting with Kirchner 

and just look at this possible toulon team,,,

1 mike sheridan, 2 sebastian bruno, 3 carl hayman, 4 bakkies botha, 5 ali williams, 6 chris masoe, 7 juan lobbe, 8 joe van niekerk, 9 freddy michilak, 10 johnny wilknson, 11 bryana habana, 12 matt giteau, 13 matheiw basterdau, 14 david smith, 15 drew mitchell
16 jean orioli, 17 artin castrogiovanni, 18 levan chilachava, 19 jocelino suta, 20 dannie rossouw, 21 sebastian borde, 22 yoan huget, 23 rudi wulf

some serious star power right here, IMO that toulon team would easily beat most teams in the spXV with only the chiefs, crusaders, brumbies, stormers the only teams IMO able to compete against them both at home or away.
makes u think that maybe a one off two game series between the spXv champs and the heinken cup champs should be played every year with all respective unions to find a way to make it work.

 Ceradyne why is the RC not part of the IRB, I assume that the 6 nations is?

Is the IRB run by the Northern Hemishpere only?

the international rule should be simple, if a country wants a player, the club has to release them period.

even with the RC/4nats not being an IRB competiton, it should be still fall under that rule, i smell something fishy, and its not hakwa sans dinner, o_O

I am about to watch the qualifying session for the Belgium Grand Prix and then there is an afternoon of rugby and football, hopefully some cricket and some football as well. I will have a look at all the regulations and reply, once I have done that. From the piece above, I need to point out that there is also nothing hard and fast saying that clubs have no right to refuse the release of players either.

"The IRB and Unions recognise that the Right to Release for Matches should be exercised reasonably and with due regard to the proper interests of the welfare of Players and other relevant entities who may be affected. This Regulation 9 reflects this balance, accommodates the difference in arrangements and sport structure from Union to Union and respects the position of Rugby Bodies and Clubs whilst recognising the fundamental role that international Rugby plays in the development of the sport worldwide. "

Ou Maaik, just yesterday you posted something interest8ing to Moz, which Moz predicted was not going to last. He was obviously correct.

OK Ou Maaik, the qualifying session is finished and I had a quick look. Ince again, it appearesas though you only read and take note of the pieces that you like.

This from the very same Regulation 9 that you have quoted (The same can also be found in an IRB Press release):

Bryan Habana will turn out for Toulon against Grenoble next weekend according to the club's owner, Mourad Boudjellal.

The South African Rugby Union confirmed earlier in the week that they had received a request from Toulon to release Habana for action on a weekend on which the Springboks do not have a fixture.

SARU refused to release their decision on the matter, stating that they would only do so after Saturday night's test against Argentina. However, Boudjellal has not waited so long.

"Bryan will play at Grenoble and it'll be a great gift for the Grenoble treasurer," Boudjellal said. "Bryan is paid by the club, it's normal that he comes just like all the staff if he is asked."

 Nice one Mike.

I have to agree that clubs should never have preference on a player needing to play for his country.

I ca' t fathom why mucncher thinks if we only select home based players this would stop the exodus