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Toulons rise built on Saffa influence

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 13:26
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06 Jun 2014, 13:26#1

Ex Supersport


Toulon's rise has been built on a South African foundation and will continue to be for the foreseeable future, writes RYAN VREDE.

In 2008, I sat in Toulon owner Mourad Boudjellal's office and listened as he reeled off the names of the players he would most like to bring to the club. Jerry Collins was the only non-South Africans he named in a list of seven.(Please note this kbbs)

He then showed me a pre-contract Bakkies Botha had signed with his then second division club.

'We're very happy Bakkies has agreed to come. He is the best in the world in his position and as a South African he has the physical and mental gifts we look for,' Boudjellal said.

Botha, it transpired, couldn't force his way out of his Bulls contract and had to wait until 2011 before he could trade Pretoria for the club perched deliciously close to the Mediterranean coastline. Victor Matfield had helped sell Botha on the merits of the move, despite him choosing to return home after a short stint (MATFIELD WENT TO fRANCE ON A HUGE FEE. THYE SOON LEARNED HE WAS TOO PAP FOR LOCK SO MOVED HIM TO FLANK WHERE HE OF COURSE FLOPPED. aFTER 6 MOTHS HE RETURNED HOME TO sA A TOTAL FLOP). Matfield's appetite for Super Rugby hadn't diminished and the promise of involvement with the Springboks made his decision to come home easier. But Matfield, whom I'd spent two days interviewing, said he would readily recommend the move to any player looking for a new challenge, explaining that the lifestyle, remuneration and team culture were top class. (gOSH THANS VICTOR MAYBE WE SHOUDL APPOINT EXPORT CHIEF OF SA PLAYERS)

To underline Toulon's love affair with South Africans, there were a clutch of them, albeit of far lesser profile than Matfield (CANT GET LESSER IN REALITY), at the club before he arrived, and, if Boudjellal's interest in the team's cause doesn't wane (and with it their primary source of income cut off), this will continue to be the case in the club's future.

Already Boudjellal has secured the services of flanker Gerhard Vosloo, who, even at 35 years old, is among the best in his position in the league. Only an impossibly lucrative counter-offer from Castres kept Rory Kockott from being a Toulon player in the 2014-15 season. My understanding is that a number of young Springboks have turned down Toulon's approaches. For now. 

Boudjellal's taste for South Africans extends to certain coaches as well. He offered current Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer the opportunity to take the reigns in 2008 and has enquired about his interest in the post subsequently. Reports from France last year indicated that he had made an audacious play for Jake White as well. (WELL WE COULD ALWAYS OFFER HIM OU PDV. sTRANGLEY NO OVERESAES CLUB HAS ASKED FOR HIM!!)

Five South Africans started in their Top 14 final triumph over Castres on Saturday with a further two on the bench, with another, Joe van Niekerk, ruled out through injury. The same number of South Africans started in last week's European Cup final win, up from the three in 2013 final triumph. They weren't passive passengers in that success, each contributing either observably or away from the spotlight in those wins. Danie Rossouw, in winning the French league title, has completed a personal haul of winning everything he possibly could in his professional career.

Toulon have rewarded these South Africans well for their efforts and in turn they have contributed significantly to the club's success. Brand Toulon has been as strong and appealing as it ever has, and their South African contingent have played no small part in that. Add to this their unseen contribution to furthering Toulon's cause by the mentorship they provide to the club's young players and it brings a degree of perspective to their extravagant salaries. Through their exceptional performances they have, undoubtedly, paved the way for other South Africans to pursue a career at Toulon and indeed other European clubs. (OH WONDERFULS THIS!!)

There was much to celebrate from a South African perspective in Super Rugby this past weekend. But spare a thought for a collection of South Africans thousands of kilometres away who've hoisted the flag highly over the last fortnight. 

What a future prospect. Saffas doing so well overseas anmd in great demand. young Boks thinking of moving overeseas as well. What is going to happen to our Super 15 teams. Will the NH TWITS reach saturation point at some point in time? The writer doesnt even recognise the perils here!

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Jun 2014, 14:17
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06 Jun 2014, 14:17#2
 @Beeno.

"(MATFIELD WENT TO fRANCE ON A HUGE FEE. THYE SOON LEARNED HE WAS TOO PAP FOR LOCK SO MOVED HIM TO FLANK WHERE HE OF COURSE FLOPPED. aFTER 6 MOTHS HE RETURNED HOME TO sA A TOTAL FLOP)"

Don't pull a StupidMike on yourself. Get your facts straight first. He only signed a 6 month contract with Toulon, to start off with.

Toulon then Lions wait for Springboks’ lineout master Victor Matfield

Victor Matfield, one of the driving forces behind the Springboks’ success, is to take time out from South African rugby, sampling the delights of Toulon on a six-month playing contract for the ambitious French second division club. Then he will return home and set his sights on the one element of rugby’s empire that has eluded him - playing for South Africa against the British and Irish Lions.

After claiming a World Cup winner’s medal with a man-of-the-match display, it is little wonder that Matfield, 30, was beaming on Saturday night. He has won Currie Cups, he won the Super 14



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sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
06 Jun 2014, 14:22
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06 Jun 2014, 14:22#3
I prophosized this ages ago
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 14:49
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06 Jun 2014, 14:49#4
 Windpomp as I recall it he never originally went for 6 months. What is a fact is he was moved to flank but was found to be too slow. With no big bulle pack and Bakkies to do the real work he was shown up. Fact.No 106 kg stringbean can possibly do the job of an international lock. It is crazy to waste time on him again. Wish the guy would sail into the sunset. He has devastated our tight five for years. We need to have a dominant tight five not a tight 4. His lineout work is way overhyped as well. Had it with the show pony - away with him.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Jun 2014, 15:01
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06 Jun 2014, 15:01#5
"Dont pull a StupidMike".....a new expression enters the rugby language.  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 15:29
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06 Jun 2014, 15:29#6
 We could also add don't pull a C levermike. Bwahhahahahahaha Mike makes many good points. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Jun 2014, 17:00
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06 Jun 2014, 17:00#7
 Beeno, your "recall" count for zip. I have just quoted you one of many accounts about his 6 months contract. Here's another one. Note that this was written in 2009 when it was still S14 an before this conference bullshit that, IMO, downgraded Super Rugby. I would like to draw the attention where Matfield compares the European competitions and Super Rugby. If course ou StupidMike will now jump in and say: "I told you so", forgetting that when Matfield played for Toulon, they were not in tye Top14 and he didn't play HC at all.

Toulon boss Mourad Boudjellal might hurl money around like an unshackled madman, but his filthy lucre was still not enough for Victor Matfield to snub South African rugby.

Lock Matfield skipped last year's Super 14 because he was contracted to help Toulon win promotion from the French division two competition but never wanted to remain on the continent.

"It was always a short term thing for me," Matfield said. "After the World Cup I thought I would like to play another one and I really missed playing Super 14 last year. I still think it's the best competition team in the world."

In 2007 the Bulls won the 2007 Super 14 title when Bryan Habana weaved through the slack-jawed Sharks defence in the dying moments of the final. But there was to be no such glory last season, with the Bulls, under new coach Frans Ludeke and without Matfield, slumped to 10th.

Watching from afar, Matfield probably could not believe his eyes as the Bulls stumbled through the season and also suffered a 54-19 hiding by the rampant Crusaders at Loftus Versfeld.

"It was very tough and even in the pre-season I tried to get out of my Toulon contract but I couldn't do that. It was a difficult season for them but we had a great Currie Cup and we are happy where we are at the moment.

"I love South Africa and I love living there and the Bulls are like a second family."

Matfield shies away from comparing the Super 14 with his experiences in France, noting he only played in the second division and did not compete in the Heineken Cup.

"I just think there are better players and better conditions for rugby (in the Super 14) and I think the teams are of a little bit of a higher standard. (The game is) a bit quicker because of the weather, and that also makes a big difference."


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/matfield-a-true-blue-20091124-jcc1.html#ixzz33rosgRzQ

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Jun 2014, 18:54
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06 Jun 2014, 18:54#8
 Dof Doos  
Thanks for the comments - but if Matfield was any good,  Toulon would have offered him a flood of money to stay on for longer.
By the way - what is the latest news up north - has Stade Francais found any takers yet to take Morne Steyn over on contract?  They must be really desperate by now to rid themselves of that handicap.    
They need decent players to advance on the Top 14 log and Morne is taking up too much of their spare cash.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Jun 2014, 21:23
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06 Jun 2014, 21:23#9
 Oh FFS. I am giving up on you. Can't you read or do you just not read and then  dream up  something? Matfield was not interested in staying at Toulon beyond the 6 months. They did try to keep him, but he wanted to go back to SA. In any case, you can keep on dreaming up and fabricating BS. Morne is going nowhere.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 21:41
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06 Jun 2014, 21:41#10
 Hahahahhaha yes you are quite right ou windpomp and thanks for reminding me. Toulon was then a second division club. So we matfiled flopped when playing lock for a second division French club. Bwahahahahahahahhaha 
Of course he wanted to come back - but why. Because he didnt fancy playing flank and his cover had been blown. 
Ou victor has so fooled the media that they refer to him a big victor matfiled. 
Even snapster imagined he was a 115  kg lock. He fooled so many even Dr Moz!!! Amazing conman this. At 38 he will be our answer at the world cup.
He has lost weight since giving up rugby so I am probably exagerrating in saying 106 kg. However I am sure the TV will give it at 110 kg. Suprisingly wee victor told the truth about his weight. But his groupies could not believe it. However it does explain why he shuns his lock duties and prefers to operate in the backline.
Away with the conman. He must have hypnotised poor Meyer! 



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 21:46
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06 Jun 2014, 21:46#11
 ou windpomp show me anything from Toulons side, some concrete evidence, that they made him an offer to stay. Also explain why they ended up playing him as flank. Your quote sounds like matfiled groupie writing and making excuses.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Jun 2014, 21:55
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06 Jun 2014, 21:55#12
 How many,and  which games exactly did they play him at flank. I have just quoted you more than one  article stating that he wanted to  go  back to SA. In fact, the latter even mentioned that he wanted to get back earlier and they would not let him. There is another article that I would not really want to quote because and I am sure that, as a believer (and I am serious now), you would appreciate why I did not quote it. The President of the Toulon Supporters club told John Cardinelli, in an interview, that in Toulon he was God. I am sure that what he actually meant was lost in translation. Cardinelli then proceeds to refer to Victor  as "God" (in inverted commas) in the article.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 22:29
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06 Jun 2014, 22:29#13
I recall the fact that he was moved to flank but cant find any details of victors Toulons career. But it was something I particulary noted.
What is the issue re God - not with you.
He may well ahve wanted to go come back to SA dispite earning afortune at Toulon. It does appear however that from arugby point of view things were not going well. Moving him to flank was abig blow to ego. Also no protection from Bakkies and the Blue Bull pack.
Sorry I will never be a fan of victor. To me he has buggered up our Bok pack for years. That he has come back as captain and is speaking of going to the next world cup is very bad news. We cannot afford a tight forward passenger. For us it's vital to get tight five domination as our backline play is not excellent. Having a dominant tight five could mean we could have a more mobile loose trio which opens up many possibilities.
Sorry windpomp but old victor needs to vamoos!!!!
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
06 Jun 2014, 22:54
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06 Jun 2014, 22:54#14
 I find it interesting that you confirm that you cannot find anything about his time at Toulon, yet you insist that they did not want him and that they moved him to flank. In addition, you  insist that "...from arugby point of view things were not going well...". Based on what exactly?

OK. This is the article. I just noticed that it was actually Ryan Vrede and not John Cardinelli. I do not like the way how Ryan kept on with the "God" issue and I am  sure that, as a Christian, you would agree. That is why I did not want to post it, but here it is in any case:

Big Vic: I miss SA

Victor Matfield was feeling a bit homesick when SA Rugby magazine’s Ryan Vrede visited him in Toulon.

‘You know the A80 highway, right?’ Sure. ‘Take the A80 from the training ground in the direction of Marseilles. You’ll see the Carquieranne signboards after about 10km and you want to veer off right then. Follow the road through three roundabouts before hitting a left. The road winds through a mountain and you’ll get to Avenue De Mist. I’m number 42. There’s a big green gate in the front. You can’t miss it.’

It seemed simple enough for SA Rugby magazine to find Victor Matfield’s Toulon home. Two and a half days in the southern France city was enough to inspire confidence that it would be a simple mission – even though by this stage I was convinced the GPS system was in need of exorcism.

It turned out to be mission impossible.

Twenty minutes pass and we have already called Matfield four times to ask for directions. A half hour later we’re in the meandering pass through the mountain that takes you up to Matfield’s home. Our Renault Clio rental is not keen on the steep incline, accelerating uphill with the speed, power and enthusiasm of a 40-year-old Os du Randt.

The road is so narrow that only one car can pass at a time, with the other forced into the dense bush that lines the roadside. Armed with the knowledge that the French place absolutely no material value on their vehicles, we end up in that bush more times than we care to remember. The arduous journey does, however, seem worthwhile when we arrive at Matfield’s pad.

Three storeys tall, the Provençal-style home overlooks the Mediterranean, the harbour and Carquieranne town centre. It’s like a scene from one of those movies your girlfriend insists you watch, and you secretly enjoy, despite your manly grunts to the contrary. George Gregan stays in a nearby suburb he’s dubbed ‘California’, while Andrew Mehrtens and Tana Umaga stay within 5km of Matfield. Monaco and St Tropez are a short drive away, and the island of Corsica can be seen from Matfield’s balcony. ‘I had the choice of staying there,’ he points out, ‘but travelling to and from practice would have been an absolute nightmare.’

During the 2007 World Cup, Matfield made two trips to Toulon to look at houses the club had picked out for him. Perhaps ‘houses’ is an inaccurate term (mansions would be more apt) because no expense was spared in ensuring that he would be comfortable in his new surroundings. Money wasn’t an issue when it came to his home. The club took care of it in the same way it set him up with everything else he needed or wanted. He is negotiating the trip between Toulon’s training ground and home in a club-sponsored Golf GTI, until his Toureg, a high-class SUV, arrives. Toulon is in the process of fully furnishing his home, and someone at the club’s head office would probably make the 30km trip from the city centre to mow his lawn or stir his coffee if he asked.

To say Matfield is worshipped in Toulon would be an understatement. Rugby is a religion in the city. And Matfield is God.

It’s a morning practice and about 100 middle-aged chain-smoking Frenchmen have turned up to watch their deity train alongside legendary team-mates Gregan, Merhtens, Anton Oliver and head coach Umaga.

By the afternoon session that number had swelled to 300 (I’m told that the captain’s run on Fridays attracts about 2 000 spectators), all discussing one thing: the impact Matfield has made since his arrival.

Matfield took just two minutes into his debut to capture the hearts of the Toulon faithful. His first contribution was a sinew-ripping tackle, before he stole two line-outs. Then he proved to be a secure target for Oliver to aim at on their own throw. Five minutes later he was dragged down 10m from the tryline.

‘If he had scored from that try the stadium would have cracked in half because of the noise the fans would have made,’ Patrick Fornet, president of the Toulon supporters club, says. ‘Matfield has been an absolute star for us.

Here in Toulon, Matfield is God.’

‘God’ takes 20 minutes to make the 80m walk from the car park to the change room before practice. Signing autographs, posing for pictures and talking rugby with his disciples has become part and parcel of daily life. So much so that ‘God’ took an hour to get to the post-match function after an away game to Mont-De-Marsan – and Toulon lost that one.

But even ‘God’ isn’t resting on his laurels. Matfield’s work ethic at practice is outstanding, and his conditioning is certainly not in question. He consistently beats loose forwards in 20m sprints and was at the head of the pack in repeat 80m brisk runs. His team-mates report that his gym work is unmatched and he has voluntarily taken highly rated France U20 lock Yoann Maestri under his wing.

‘Honestly, there were two primary factors for me coming here – the money and the appeal of being able to spend more time with my family,’ Matfield explains.

‘Two or three seasons here would set me up for life financially, and being able to see my wife Monja and daughter Jaime every day is something I’m loving. But there’s a perception that I’ve got an easy ride here, that I just take it slow and don’t really put in the effort. That’s rubbish. I work as hard and put in as much effort as I have at any stage of my career. I realise that with my price tag comes a responsibility to perform at a consistently exceptional level. I feel that pressure every day. I’m very aware that the expectations are extremely high.’

Monja is lounging on an oversized couch reading a magazine in the living room. It’s a glorious winter day in Toulon and sunlight is flooding the room, illuminating the space to good effect. It clearly lacks a woman’s touch, something she insists will change in the coming weeks. She arrived from Pretoria the day before we visited, having had to take care of the paperwork that sealed the sale of their luxury home and oversaw the renovations to another equally extravagant home on the outskirts of the city.

‘Monja’s been really great while I’ve been here,’ Matfield says, staring endearingly at his wife. ‘I’d be useless without her. I really missed her and Jaime while they were still back in South Africa, but the boys from the club took good care of me while I was alone.’

Wednesday night poker was one such pastime for Matfield. Toulon’s Pacific Island contingent are the organisers-in-chief, with former Sharks flanker Nico Breedt acting as Matfield’s wingman. ‘I’ve finished second twice and made about 60 euros off the boys. The first prize is usually about 100 euros although it has gone up to 300 euros when guys have got serious and bought back into the game.

‘I also had the South African guys [Breedt, Francois van Schouwenburg, Wessel Roux, Lawrence Sephaka and Chris Rossouw] over to my place for a braai. Man, it was freezing that night, but we made damn sure the wood caught fire so that we could at least just get a taste of some braaivleis. I was really missing home at that stage.’

Matfield still misses home terribly. It’s the week leading up to the opening round of the Super 14. His beloved Bulls are playing the Stormers and every day is a battle to try to banish thoughts about what it would have been like to be part of the build-up to that match, the sort of analysis he would have done on the Stormers’ line-out, the Bulls’ approach …

‘I think I made the move to France two years too early,’ Matfield reveals. ‘The decision to come here was based on the fact that I believed I had two years of international rugby left in me. In my mind, the Lions tour in 2009 was going to be my final series, so I decided that it would be good to finish by experiencing a different rugby culture and be paid handsomely for it in the process. Then, after the World Cup, I felt great. At this stage I want to play Test rugby for another four years, with the World Cup in New Zealand the obvious target. If I want to realise that goal, I need to be playing my rugby in South Africa.

‘You’d think that I grew tired of the pressure back home, but I really miss it for some strange reason. To test yourself against the world’s best players weekly is a privilege, and something that I miss terribly. Toulon is a great club and I‘m still dead set on playing my part in getting us into the Top 14. They’ve been very good to me, and for that I’ll be eternally grateful. But the Bulls have a special place in my heart. I miss what we’ve built up over the last eight years. The majority of that squad went through hell in the early 2000s in the Super 12. We came through that together and won the competition last year. So there’s a strong bond between the guys.’

Matfield’s tone and body language when discussing this subject tells the story of a man on the verge of returning to his first love. He has an escape clause in his contract that stipulates he is free to leave Toulon after six months. The question was begging to be asked.

‘If I can get stuff sorted out with Toulon and back in South Africa, I’ll probably be coming home,’ he says. ‘Guys coming over here have to be clear in their motivation. If they’re coming here for the retirement package and more time with their families, there really isn’t a better place than France, Toulon in particular. But if they still have ambitions to achieve something in South Africa, those “what if” questions will always be there. Those questions have haunted me a lot since I‘ve been here.’

But you’ve achieved everything you could in South Africa, I offer.

‘You’d think so, but the challenge is to surpass the standards we’ve set, whether it be with the Boks or Bulls. I know what it’s like to be gunning for the Crusaders, who were the top dogs in the Super 14. Now I want to experience being in their position, where everyone is gunning for you. To win the tournament like that would be a totally different experience. I want to win the Tri-Nations by winning four games, for example, and not sneaking through on bonus points. Do you know, I’ve never won a Test match in New Zealand? Those are unfulfilled goals.’

Matfield’s in the groove now. He’s relaxed and is speaking openly about issues that bother him. None has done so more than the saga of his supposed support of Heyneke Meyer for the Bok coaching job. Matfield’s voice is laced with irritation when he recounts the events of late November and early December 2007.
‘People were saying that I was backing Heyneke, but that’s not entirely true. I’d already signed for Toulon at that stage, but I had an escape clause in my contract that said if he became the Bok coach I would be able to play the Super 14 in South Africa.

‘Before I signed, he had approached me and asked me to stay if he got the job. Heyneke has done a lot for me, so I agreed. Now he’s not the Bok coach but I still feel I want to go back home and play for the Boks and the Bulls.

‘I have no issue with Peter de Villiers. Some sections of the media have suggested that my relationship with Peter will be strained because I was seen to have backed his main competitor . That’s rubbish. If he, or any of the other guys who were on the short list, had asked me early enough and provided good reasons for me to stay in SA, I would have considered it in the same way I considered Heyneke’s request.’

The other issue that eats at Matfield is the prevailing perception that he was the main instigator of the plot to lure Bulls and Bok team-mate Bakkies Botha to Toulon.

‘I had nothing to do with Bakkies’s dealings with Toulon,’ Matfield asserts. ‘He called me to ask me what the club was like to play for and how difficult it has been to adjust to the culture, and I gave him my opinions. Not at any stage did I say, “Bakkies, you have to come to Toulon”. That would be very irresponsible of me because I’m not even sure if I’m going to be staying here. The people of Toulon really want him to come, but that decision is between him and the Bulls. I have and want nothing to do with that.’

For the next four months Matfield has his sights set on success with Toulon. He’s already the club’s ten-pin bowling champion and has the purple trophy on his dining room mantelpiece to prove it. Now a slightly higher and more illustrious honour beckons: winning the French Pro Division 2, thereby securing promotion to the Top 14.

To achieve that will take a collective effort from some of the most gifted individuals in the game’s history. But history has warned that outrageously gifted individuals seldom ensure success. Spanish football giants Real Madrid experienced this in the latter stages of their Galácticos era in mid-2000 whereas English football’s big spenders Chelsea are struggling to keep pace with the league’s leaders.

‘I don’t think a collection of stars make a good team,’ says Matfield. ‘If you look at the greatest teams in the world, you’ll see that they have a good blend of exceptional players and honest grafters. I can only be as good as the guys next to me, so to expect Toulon to wipe the floor with everyone just because we have Gregan, Oliver, Mehrtens and Matfield is unrealistic. Gregan is one man with limited influence on a match, so is Oliver and Mehrtens. Matfield is not God.’

Sorry Vic, but that’s not what we heard.

By Ryan Vrede




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Jun 2014, 23:50
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06 Jun 2014, 23:50#15
 What a long load of twaddle. I am not surprised the chairman of the clubs fan club writes up matfiled h would be into rah rah stuff. 
So victor had a longer contract but used an escape clause to leave after 6 months!! Why. What were the real reason for cutting his stay so very short and not wanting the huge slary. The real reasons Not the blah blah groupie speak written here.
Windpomp I also recall posting about this on kamp SS and noted at the time them moving victor  to flank. To be moved from what one considers is ones specialist position indicates things were not going well rugby wise. He was found out I think and high tailed it home.
Matfiled felt the 2009 series against the Lions would be his final series this article says. Would that it had been. Here we are in 2014 and still he is around conning the oaks!!!! Must be the most amazing thing ever in rugby. His groupies will still think he is the best when he is fifty. Bwahahahahhaha. Kiwis must be over the moon at his return.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Jun 2014, 00:15
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07 Jun 2014, 00:15#16
 "So victor had a longer contract but used an escape clause to leave after 6 months!! Why. What were the real reason for cutting his stay so very short and not wanting the huge slary. The real reasons Not the blah blah groupie speak written here."

You keep on claiming that there were ulterior reasons but you have nothing to back that up. Not a single shred of evidence. There are lots that supports the opposite. Until you can show anything your theory remains a pie in the sky.

At least you are now admitting the Matfield used the escape clause to get out of his contract and not that Toulon got rid of him.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jun 2014, 00:49
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07 Jun 2014, 00:49#17
Dof Doos
 Living in a mansion - getting paid a small fortune and he is homesick and want to get home.   Nobody is that homesick - Vrede tries to make things soumd exceptional so he writes a load of twaddle.  Beeno is right - there must have been another reason and that has to do with Matfield's ego.    
However, I do not care what it is - Matfield can hardly be anything above 106 kgs and that is what a loosie weighs nowadays - unless your name is Fatso.   (I saw a trining programme on Boots & All and his legs are as thin.   So Toulon saw his weight and performances at lock and used him as a flank.   Really no surprise.  
And he ran home to Papa Meyer who will keep him as captain and as a lock - so he hightails back to SA before the Toulon coach found out how poor he really.   
There can be no doubt that the newspaper hype is overwhelming and the huge failure had nothing more fear.    
The two most serious flops contracted by French and English clubs are -
*  Victoris - pretender to be a lock forward.*  it is only a question of when Morne will be given the boot at St ade Francais 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
07 Jun 2014, 01:20
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07 Jun 2014, 01:20#18
 Ahh another StupidMike fabrication. Fits right in with Morne joining PSG, Solomons working with Heyneke Meyer, Bakkies fallen out of favour at Toulon and replaced by Ali Williams,etc,etc. Keep 'em coming mate, keep 'em coming. They make for  lots of laughs.
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