MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Sept 2019, 16:29#2
You just can't stop yourself.
sharkbok
Captain23,249 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,249 posts
12 Sept 2019, 17:04#5
He was never going to support the Springboks. This is just an angle to build some appeared credence. He never supported the 2015 team because not enough players of colour were included. Now he needs something new.
This is an allegation, and according to democratic law - everyone is innocent until proven guilty- the benefit of the doubt.
It is racist to assume that someone is guilty because they are white.
It may well be that Eztebeth is guilty, but there has been no evidence of the sort yet. It might just have been someone that Eztebeth was with, or nothing may have happened. Ideally, some type of court decision could be taken before the world cup.
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Sept 2019, 17:49#7
At the risk of offending about half the posters on this forum, I really couldn't give a flying toss what you Yanks, Poms and other ex-pats think about this situation. You lot don't understand or care about what's happening in South Africa or the issues we have to deal with.
I know I'm generalising here but most ex-pats I know have very little interest in South Africa other than family they may have left behind, the Proteas and the Springboks . . . and in fact you like reading and hearing about the crime, corruption, BEE, state of the rand and other negative stories about South Africa because it makes you feel good about yourselves and validates your leaving.
Of course you lot are all going to support Etzebeth and rubbish Twakkie . . . you just want the Bokke to win the RWC and you couldn't give a flying fig leaf about longer term things like unity and nation-building.
This has nothing at all to do with how crap a coach Pieter de Villiers was or what kind of human being he is, not even the most dull-witted among you can deny he speaks for the coloured rugby-loving community in South Africa and he makes a valid point about the difference between the way a first world country like the UK handled a difficult and sensitive situation and the way South Africa did.
As a real South African born here, still living here and having to deal with xenophobic violence, racism, crime, corruption and a junk-status economy, I'm concerned that SARugby chose to quickly get Eben Etzebeth onto the plance to Japan instead of taking the allegations seriously and subjecting him to same kind of legal procedures that people like Penny Sparrow, Adam Catzevelos and Vicki Momberg had to endure. He shouldn't be exempt just because he's a high profile rugby player.
If you disagree and you're an ex-pat, tell it to the loser sitting next to you in the pub in whatever cold, dark and unfriendly city you're living in . . . I don't really care what you think. There are issues that us South Africans have to deal with that are bigger than a Rugby World Cup.
sharkbok
Captain23,249 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,249 posts
12 Sept 2019, 18:06#8
So for the purposes of nation-building, Eztebeth should be treated as if he was guilty. One white person should take the bullet so the others can be treated more fairly. Is this really nation-building, or just throwing someone under the bus so that it might make your own life a bit easier
More and more white people leave each day, because nation-building seems to be at their expense.
I have heard this stuff before, that people who have left SA - should not comment on the issues. So SA people living overseas should no longer be South African for the purposes of nation-building.
Many people that live overseas, harboured ambitions to one day return. However, for the sake of nation-building they have no future in SA, and cant return even if they wanted to.
If it does get to a point where all white people leave SA, is everyone still banned from talking about South Africa for the purposes of nation-building?
Living in a cold country telling the story to someone in a pub is also a sacrifice, so it is not just people living in SA that are feeling the effects. Some people in SA could have left already, but did not want to leave a nice warm country to live somewhere that is freezing.
Many of the Bok team also live overseas as well, so maybe we can have our own Springbok team that is chosen on merit, and the SA based Bok team can be filled with quotas for the purposes of nation-building. with Pdivvy your coach for strategic transformation objectives, and BEE credits .
Pdivvy is bitter because no one wants to hire him. He blames white people for this- but his real issue is that his media comments sound like a half-wit than will damage the brand of any rugby organisation
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Sept 2019, 19:35#10
Sharkbok, please correct me if I'm wrong but you're a chicken-runner living in the UK, right?
If so, please revisit the part of my post where I specifically said I don't give a flying toss what you ex-pats think about this particular situation.
If not, accept my apologies and tell me where you do live in SA.
sharkbok
Captain23,249 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,249 posts
12 Sept 2019, 20:03#12
@Rooineck,
I want the Boks to win. Your nation-building is irrelevant to me, as is what you care or careless about.
However, it is clear the affirmative action crew has made you their squealing bitch. You now support the transformation objectives because it makes your life a bit easier. It seems Cleancutt was right about you, and where your true alliance lies. The new Luke Watson.
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Sept 2019, 20:08#14
I see, so basically you don't want to admit you're a chicken-runner and you missed the bit where I said I don't give a toss about the opinion of chicken-runners on matters like these.
Noted, even if you didn't quite summon up the courage to actually answer the clear and unambiguous question.
sharkbok
Captain23,249 posts
sharkbokCaptain23,249 posts
12 Sept 2019, 20:13#15
A chicken runner was someone that left just after Apartheid ended with lots of money or converted their rands to a foreign currency to help crash the rand currency. You either do not know this, or are just being obtuse.
I left at 23 years of age, in 2001 with no money.
Older white people at the time we're telling the younger people to leave. The true benefactors of Apartheid agreed to train black people to take over jobs for promotions, bonuses and golden handshake to bring in reverse Apartheid.
The older whites that agreed to end Apartheid, once they had established themselves and gotten work experience to support themselves.... The benefactors of Apartheid, and sell-out's to transformation, now complaining about how bad they have made SA....
RORooinek
Captain18,117 posts
RORooinekCaptain18,117 posts
12 Sept 2019, 20:23#18
I didn't ask for your life story. I just asked if you lived in SA or not. A simple yes or no would have been sufficient.
Noted. See the first sentence of my second post on this thread.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Sept 2019, 20:25#19
Just because you didn't have the guts to tough out the move overseas Peeper and now feel it necessary to call those that did the hard part for their kids "chicken runners"......doesn't make you any less of a simple coward.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
12 Sept 2019, 21:53#24
Sociopath.....is the word.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Sept 2019, 04:25#32
3.55 and the Mad Hatter er Clapper is awake.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Sept 2019, 08:43#39
'As a low level IT technician'......lower than that, Peeper is no technician, more like somebody selling internet services is my guess. We'll never know.....he posts other posters' details on here while guarding his own like the crown jewels.
But he is a decisive fellow....he had Eben condemned from the moment he saw this accusation.
