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Two or possibly 3 changes to Bok side needed. e

Started by Beeno117 REPLIES760 VIEWS· 27 Oct 2019, 13:19
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Oct 2019, 13:19
#1
27 Oct 2019, 13:19#1

How about starting with Marx and Louw. 

Cheslin also could come back if fit. 

Will be big forward battle. 

If we go for 6-2 England should play wide and exhaust our backs. Eddie is a shrewd coach. 

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Oct 2019, 13:22
#2
27 Oct 2019, 13:22#2

No way will the captain not start. I don't think we should replace both our starting locks so soon in the game, both gone within 5 minutes of each other . That's an unnecessary disruption if it's not forced.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2019, 15:57
#3
27 Oct 2019, 15:57#3

We will have to wait and see what happens on Thursday with the team selection.   I am not sure what is going to happen in that regard, 

In the meantime Ramaphosa will be in Japan for the final,   Funny though - but since he became President the quota screams by the ANC  have lessened.   

      

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
27 Oct 2019, 16:47
#4
27 Oct 2019, 16:47#4

Marx looks like he is getting back into form, and Louw is critical at the breakdown. Kolisi will certainly start, might need to pull him off sooner to get Louw on. 

Bongi is likely to start, but maybe bring Marx on in the 45th minute. It just depends though. as starting Marx could give the Boks more physical edge to get over the advantage line. Bongi has been good at the lineouts, though Marx has not lost a lineout the whole tournament. 

Frans Steyn could perhaps start at XV to give the Boks a better territorial kicking game. He is safer under the high ball than Willie Leroux.




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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
27 Oct 2019, 17:20
#5
27 Oct 2019, 17:20#5

Louw won a crucial turnover penalty that gave us the field position for the last penalty goal. He's had some good cameos coming on in the final 10.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
27 Oct 2019, 17:36
#6
27 Oct 2019, 17:36#6
Louw also gave away a penalty as he got onto the pitch by entering from the side. So he undid his original mistake.
However, it is effective to have someone always putting pressure on the opposition at ruck time- not just the turnovers, but to put the opposition under pressure
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
27 Oct 2019, 17:46
#7
27 Oct 2019, 17:46#7
Posted by: Pakie (5207 posts)

Oct 27, 2019, 13:22

No way will the captain not start. I don't think we should replace both our starting locks so soon in the game, both gone within 5 minutes of each other. That's an unnecessary disruption if it's not forced.


Agreed. Almost cost us dearly today.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2019, 17:49
#8
27 Oct 2019, 17:49#8

Beeno

According to the three "experts" on site they should get rid of Malherbe, De Jager, Du Toit and De Allende - so these four players should according to them  be out as a start.

Then start adding who else should be out.       

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
27 Oct 2019, 18:22
#9
27 Oct 2019, 18:22#9

I am expecting the good doctor and Organhuffer and Pakster to return to form. They are too smart to continue like this. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Oct 2019, 18:35
#10
27 Oct 2019, 18:35#10

Eraser wont change a thing except Kolbe for the out of his depth Nkosi.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2019, 18:43
#11
27 Oct 2019, 18:43#11

Who is Eraser and why the name SS-S?  You never concocted a name like that for useless Meyer - so why now?  Are you missing Meyer like  Comey stated elsewhere?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
27 Oct 2019, 18:57
#12
27 Oct 2019, 18:57#12
Meyer would have loved that game plan. The only issue is that he did not have Fourie Dupreez who was a better box kicker...
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:06
#13
27 Oct 2019, 19:06#13

Our 2015 team  beat a much better Wallies team....HM would have walked that game. Hell they lost their tighthead  and best wing before the half, after losing their best back before the game.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:23
#14
27 Oct 2019, 19:23#14
Rassie has the peer respect from test standard coaches, is current 4 Nations champion, and had a successful Munster stint from the very outset.
On the other hand, Meyer is fighting for his job at the bottom of the French league- after being given the biggest player budget in history...
Meyer was ok- but he had the likes of Habana, JP. He also had an inform Willie Leroux to create his attacking game plan spontaneously on the field- and also FDP by the end of his tenure.  Was it not for FDP, Wales would have knocked the Boks out in the quarters in the last world cup. This move was practised at the captains run the day before the test- without the permission of Meyer. It involved making a pass and having a support runner angle into space, instead of seeking contact. 
I doubt the Wales team in 2015 was better than the 2019 team, and the world rankings of the respective time periods would concur. Wales started the world cup in number 1 position- the first time in their history. They also had something like 17 consecutive wins...before eventually conceding a game in the warm-up tests to the WC. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:26
#15
27 Oct 2019, 19:26#15

Sure with the most deadhead rugby we have played since Naas Botha.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:33
#16
27 Oct 2019, 19:33#16

I would prefer that less box kicks are made and that the ball is kept in hand more often - especially when in the opposition half.

 I am convinced that if fewer box kicks were done, the Boks could have put the game away by the 60th minute. 

However, I doubt Meyer could have got this squad to a final. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
27 Oct 2019, 19:34
#17
27 Oct 2019, 19:34#17
Rassie is far better than Meyer, Jake, etc I can see that now. After year one the jury was out but this year it’s been 1 loss in 11 or something Give me Rassie over useless Meyer anyday - he was bloody clueless
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
27 Oct 2019, 20:07
#18
27 Oct 2019, 20:07#18

Now Meyer did a better job than Erasmus did against Wales.   Wales never led during any time of the game - they got level - but never ahead.  In the 2015 test the Welsh led in the score until the 74th minute in the game.

And now the Welsh this year is a weaker team than they were in 2015 when they never won the 6-Nations trophy and this year they beat Ireland, England, France, Scotland and Italy in the 6 Nations,  

So where is  Meyer now - dunce?  He is in Paris coaching Stade  Francais who is at present bottom of the log with a negative point count of - 133.   What a coach - what a star you miss and everyone else think he was useless and should never haver been the Springbok coach.

Meyer's 2015 record was atrocious - games played 11 - games lost 5.   Now compare that with the Erasmus record 11 played 9 won  one draw and 1 loss.  

The Springboks at least even if they lose against England would have attained the silver medal in the WC - with Meyer in charge they had to beat the Argentina "B" team to get the bronze medal. 

Dead head rugby was the norm of rugby coaching under Meyer - the difference is that under Meyer they lost constantly - under Erasmus they won constantly,   By the way under Erasmus the Springboks on the WC thus far scored 31 tries and under Meyer they scored 23 in 2015 .   Viva la difference!!!!                  

Have you already started praying for a loss against the English in the final?   Remember Wales beat England twice this year and lost against them once,   Happy Idiots Day to you.  LMAO      

           

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