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Two pronged nz attack on Wallabys

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 May 2013, 11:31
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20 May 2013, 11:31#1

Reading betweeen the lines it seems Deans is not givining Cooper a fair deal and that Wayne Smith is upping the ante here and causing more division. Create a crises (Deans) and then, magnify it (Smith). What Complete Villains these kiwis are!

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Queenland Reds coach Ewen McKenzie has leapt to the defence of Quade Cooper after the flyhalf was omitted from the preliminary Wallabies squad for the British and Irish Lions series.

Australia coach Robbie Deans said at Sunday's squad announcement that Cooper would have to defend in the front line and be more assertive if he wanted to claim one of the six remaining spots in his party for the series.

McKenzie, favourite to replace Deans if the New Zealander's contract is not extended at the end of the year, said it was unfair to tell Cooper what was required so late in the day.

"Myself, Robbie and Quade had a discussion about Quade and where he defends at the start of last year and we haven't had any discussions since," McKenzie told the Australian Associated Press (AAP) from South Africa.

"So now he has one match to defend in the front line to make the Lions squad? It's easy to say that now. What's he been saying for the last 13 weeks?

"It's not like he hasn't been defending in the front line anyway. He defended there (against the Cheetahs) and he defended there against the Hurricanes.

"We've used him in different defensive systems throughout the season."

Cooper, who has played 38 tests for Australia, has two more Super Rugby matches and Queensland's tour match against the Lions on June 8 to make his case for selection.

McKenzie said using Cooper at fullback in defensive situations was not just about protecting the flyhalf and the tactic had proved successful both in the 2011 Super Rugby-winning campaign and again when reintroduced this year.

"We also want to make an investment in counter attack, so we went back to our old system this year and look what's happened - we're at the pointy end of the competition," he said.

Deans has declared James O'Connor his first choice flyhalf for the Lions series but McKenzie said the Melbourne Rebels flyhalf was no more secure a defensive player than Cooper.

"Is James O'Connor in the squad? What happens when they run over him? He got speed-humped the other day. What was that?" he added.

That was perhaps a little unfair on O'Connor, who was already injured when burly Blues centre Rene Ranger clattered in to him in broken play two weeks ago.

COME CLEAN

Some media reaction said Deans was also being unfair in the way New Zealand-born Cooper had been excluded from the squad and speculated that the flyhalf's controversial comments about the Wallabies set-up may have been behind the decision.

Cooper, 24, was fined A$40 000 for describing the Wallabies camp as a "toxic environment" he felt was "destroying" him last year.

The fine capped a miserable 12 months for Cooper, which started when he limped out of the World Cup with a seriously damaged knee after being labelled 'public enemy No 1' in the land of his birth.

In the preceding three years, however, Cooper's incisive passing and quick feet had established him as the top flyhalf in Australia and one of the most exciting talents in rugby.

Wayne Smith, who is closely identified with Queensland rugby, wrote that, despite Deans's protestations to the contrary, he thought the omission was a result of Cooper's "toxic" comments.

Writing in the Australian, Smith said the Australian Rugby Union (ARU) should simply come clean and say that Cooper had still not been forgiven for his outburst.

"At least everyone would know where they stood. The punishment might be seen as excessive but then again describing being in the Australian team as 'toxic' is pretty excessive too," he wrote.

"But to drag this out, to keep requiring Cooper to prove himself when he has put everything he has got on display this season on the rugby pitch, the good, the bad and the brilliant, is hideous."

Away with the toxic kiwis I say!

What says poly, Hahakwa, abnob,pooooie, papamoaner, brycy,stain larger and the boys - Beeno right again no doubt! I can spot their schemes a mile off.

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 May 2013, 12:06
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20 May 2013, 12:06#2

 

   

sorry Beeno but the Precioouuuuuuuuussssssssssss does not belong to you! 

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 May 2013, 12:13
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20 May 2013, 12:13#3

 

Beeno is that you? 

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
20 May 2013, 12:14
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20 May 2013, 12:14#4
Look, there are two ways to look at this, the first is that Cooper is a special player that brings a huge amount of X-factor to any team. With a more conservative player like O'Connor in the squad ,there is definitely a place for a player like Cooper who will no doubt inspire moments of magic when playing either off the bench or starting. But the second point, the more important one in my opinion, is Coopers attitude. Forget about the anti-kiwi sentiment surrounding Deans, Cooper is like a spoilt child with no respect for authority. Think about it this way, anyone of you reading this now, go and send out a circular to your whole company saying that the companies director/boss/owner is incompetent and has created a toxic environment, and see how your career takes off! Luke Watson was public enemy number one when he did the same thing, so why the double standards? Cooper is easily good enough to make the Wallabies team, but if you allow one individual to get away with disrespecting the coach, then others will follow. In the end a coach that is not respected by his players can not be an effective coach. Also, Cooper strikes me as the kind of person that is ill disciplined and as seen in his criminal activity and lack of respect of both the laws of his country and team, he just is one of those bad seeds. I think he will eventually be included in the Aus squad to face the Lions, but Deans is just trying to show him who is boss....and rightly so.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 May 2013, 12:30
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20 May 2013, 12:30#5

hahahahakwa I see my insightful post has lured you out of that dark cavern into the light of the SA Rugby board Ruckers forum! Please enlarge one of those medals so we can get a good look at the Bryce Lawrence likeness!

Bluebok spot on. The coach had to discipline Cooper and Beale. Question is will they make the final squad.

Must say I did enjoy the Cheetahs doing these high stepping prancing types.  They were so involved in their  ballet and fancy foot work they entirely forgot to keep a  watch on van Zyl! Hahahahahaha

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redsmanPro1,710 posts
20 May 2013, 13:09
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20 May 2013, 13:09#6

Question for any fair-minded rugby supporter - why the hell would you want a loser incoherent kiwi as a coach when you can get a proven winner in Ewen (who is actually an aussie) waiting in the wings.

Writings on the wall deans -start looking for another job.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 May 2013, 13:11
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20 May 2013, 13:11#7

Beeno

 

I am not overly-impressed with the performance of Deans as a coach.   However, in 2012 he had to content with a long list of injuries to key players - and that may account for some losses by the Wallabies.   The Wallaby performances were as follows:-

Tests played   -     15

Tests won       -       9

Tests drawn    -       1 (against the All Blacks)

Tests lost        -       5

The loss of a test to a touring Scottish side can at best be ignored.  The ARU did not regard the Scots as really a competitive team and they selected a side that could at best be described as a "B" side.  The game was played in horrendous condition and it really was a farce.  The other losses were against the All Blacks (2), the Springbks and the French.

The above showed a better performanc record than the one recorded by our own miserable coach.   At least the raw was against a top team and not against a weakened English side and the low-rated Argentinians.  The Wallabies also beat the English in London far more convincingly than the Springboks did.

To my mind it is easy to be a better coach than Meyer - so it is not a great compliment to Deans.   However,  I think the Wallabies will show imrpovement in 2013 - while I doubt whether with meyer's dodgy selections the Springboks will show improvement.

Be it as it may - I think that Deans made a mistake in the case of the squad selection inasmuch as he -

*  he did not select Cooper to ccupy the flyhalf berth; and

*  he seems to prefer O'Connor at flyhalf.

Super 15 this year proved that James is a better full back than flyhalf and I would have picked him at full back and play Folau at 14.

  

 

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hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 May 2013, 13:14
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20 May 2013, 13:14#8

we could ask you the same question redsman ,"why........would you want a ............ kiwi as your number 10 when you already have Beale and O'Conner (who are actually aussies)?????????? 

 

 

   

 

 

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