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Two Weeks To Define All Blacks

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Sept 2018, 03:03
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25 Sept 2018, 03:03#1

Strap yourself in. The next two weeks will reveal much about who this All Blacks team really is.

Prior to the loss in Wellington, many of us bemoaned the diminishing quality of the Rugby Championship.

The All Blacks were untouchable, or so it seemed.

One defeat does not alter the entire complexion of test rugby but the Springboks brought a healthy dose of reality, and valuable perspective about staying grounded.

Even had Damian McKenzie made that final pass for the match-winning try, many questions, internal and external, would remain about the All Blacks' tactical approach in the capital.

As it was, the All Blacks landed in familiar Buenos Aires this week with Steve Hansen's game management criticism ringing in their ears. And, no doubt, motivation set on immediately righting those wrongs.

They will also be well aware, however, the Pumas and Boks, in-front of their equally passionate people, present much tougher challenges than recent years may suggest.

This two-leg trip is not the jaunt the All Blacks have made it seem at times.

The Pumas now appear a team on the rise, buoyed by their win over the Wallabies in Perth and, more holistically, refreshed and refocused with the change in direction Mario Ledesma has inspired.

While not the finished product by any stretch, they are a genuine threat. Look no further than the form of playmaker Nicolas Sanchez.

Having already pulled off a convincing win over the Boks in Mendoza, belief must be firming they can knock off the All Blacks for the first time, or at least give them a proper scare.

The challenge, as always with the Pumas, is to sustain efforts; not fade over the final quarter when emotion drains. Theirs is the Latin temperament, after all.

Many of this All Blacks squad, those accustomed to Buenos Aires, will appreciate the need to start well to quell the feverish atmosphere that lifts locals the longer they stay in the fight.

But with captain Kieran Read, Brodie Retallick, Liam Squire and Joe Moody all absent from the pack this week, pressure falls on other drivers to step up and lead.

It promises to be a big occasion for some newer additions – Shannon Frizell, the recalled Vaea Fifita, Karl Tu'inukuafe and even the excellent Jack Goodhue if he gets another crack in the midfield with Sonny Bill Williams due back.

A different form of pressure comes following a loss.

The potentially inexperienced bench, in comparison to previous years, must also shoulder a large degree of responsibility for closing out this match.

It will not be an easy ride.

The All Blacks will be keen to avoid conceding two second half yellow cards, as they did in the last two tests in Argentina, which forced them to stoically defend for long periods.

Any such sniff of momentum and the Pumas can be difficult to contain.

Next week there is no respite, either.

Dragging their battered bodies through another long-haul journey to Johannesburg, the All Blacks will attempt to shake off fatigue for another huge test in Pretoria.

Loftus Versfeld, with its towering stands and braais surrounding the stadium, is no place for the faint-hearted.

The Boks, still grappling with transformation challenges and their crippling overseas player drain, have been all kinds of inconsistent in recent years.

But how quickly we forget the All Blacks needed a late Lima Sopoaga penalty, following Damian de Allende's red card for a sloppy challenge, to cling on for a 25-24 victory in Cape Town last year.

Just as Ledesma has the Pumas connected so, too, is Rassie Erasmus slowly progressing the Boks.

Erasmus no longer has his rather bizarre 'sack the coach' card in his back pocket but the Boks are 3-1 under his guidance at home, dropping only the dead rubber to England in June.

For the All Blacks, expectations never change. No matter the circumstances we demand they win every test – and usually win them well, too.

A swift response to rare defeats has become the norm.

This time around, though, there is perhaps more nagging doubt due to the improving state of the opposition.

Maybe with this in mind Hansen fired a shot across the bow of senior leaders. He will now expect a mental edge in training to forecast the necessary reaction.

With the Bledisloe Cup safely locked away again, and the Japanese test expected to give fringe players chances, this two-week venture is the All Blacks' most important before arriving in London in November.

Stripping back the layers previously, their core characteristics have prevailed.

No test is ever the same. But this side must now answer those same, probing questions.

How they emerge will be revealing.

by NZHerald.co.nz

It's amusing seeing Kiwis talk about a solitary loss as a potential landslide ahead of the World Cup. The All Blacks will win both of the remain games comfortably. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
25 Sept 2018, 04:10
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25 Sept 2018, 04:10#2
The Irish test in Dublin after the Irish victory in Chicago is the best bit of history. The ABs were hyped for that test. To take them down again the Boks will have to be even more committed than they were in NZ. It's not impossible, but the ABs will take no prisoners. The Irish were physically intimidated in Dublin.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Sept 2018, 04:41
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25 Sept 2018, 04:41#3

It's not impossible, but it'll be very tough. Of all the places to play, they most commonly put a big score on us in South Africa. Rassie must select wisely.

Argentina will face the Whirlwind. Their brand of rugby is excellent, but I feel their natural game leaves New Zealand being a bad match up for them. They'll cause problems, but will be beaten. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2018, 06:35
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25 Sept 2018, 06:35#4
I cannot foresee a win by the Springboks either,   Problem is there are two key players - De Jager and De Allende - out with injuries.   
I can guess  what AgainBSter would regard as wise selections.   If any of his ideas on selection  is followed a huge loss will  b e inevitable.  
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Sept 2018, 07:46
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25 Sept 2018, 07:46#5

Wonder which ref WR will be ruining the game this weekend. 

Have a feeling it's gonna be Angie GardenGirl.

I hope the Boks are perpetually offside, lay all over the ball and enter from anywhere except the gate. Maybe if we're really lucky we'll get a glimpse of some good old fashioned professional obstructions as well.

Can't wait!


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Sept 2018, 07:50
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25 Sept 2018, 07:50#6

Mike

Linda is not a key player.

You and Beeno keep talking about how Esterhuizen has failed to set the world on fire. This after 4 games. 

Linda has had FOUR YEARS!

How do you pick De Jager over Snyman, Mostert, Eben, PSDT? What exactly has he done to warrant selection? Oh right...he's big. I forgot, that's the main selection criteria. 

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
25 Sept 2018, 08:12
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25 Sept 2018, 08:12#7
The AB's will have been scared out of complacency by the loss to the Boks. I expect them to win both their remaining matches comfortably. I'd love it if they somehow lost to the Argies, and we won against the Aussies, because that would set up a Rugby Champs final at Loftus, but unfortunately that is wishful thinking. 
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Sept 2018, 08:42
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25 Sept 2018, 08:42#8

Lood is a very poor choice for test rugby. He is slow, has poor endurance, poor hands and is immobile. This is not a lock you pick for a modern game. 

Damian gives us no tactical advantage. What does he bring that improves our chances of winning? It certainly isn't defence and nobody can play off of him. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Sept 2018, 09:51
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25 Sept 2018, 09:51#9

The propblem for Lood is that there are now guys that are close to his size but much more mobile and affect other parts of the game. His tackle count per game is nothing but average and so is his jumping.

So again Mike, what justifies his selection?

Right now, out of the four available locks, on performance, Eben is probably the weakest link. Probably the only luxury problem the Boks have atm.

I predict that Snyman will have cemented his place by the end of the year as well. He jus t needs to calm down. That penalty again Oz was game changing.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Sept 2018, 09:52
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25 Sept 2018, 09:52#10

"The AB's will have been scared out of complacency by the loss to the Boks"

My thoughts exactly Pakie.

If anything, probably a constructive loss for them.

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
25 Sept 2018, 10:03
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25 Sept 2018, 10:03#11
That's Bluebok Plumster. B ut ja, my point exactly. 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2018, 10:08
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25 Sept 2018, 10:08#12

Listen carefully and you will see the refrain.   I just ignore the story about De Allende.  In this I realize he has deficiencies - but Esterhuizen - whom I have been watching for years, have more deficiencies,    The choice is between two deficient players and I prefer the one that has least deficiencies.   

As to De Jager - to my mind he has proven on test level and Super Rugby level is twice the lock all of Snyman and Mostert.

The serial liar wrote as follows:-

 "He is slow, has poor endurance, poor hands and is immobile."

All of those are manipulations so far removed from the truth that it is unbelievable.   So lets look at the real situation b\y looking at ractical examples:-

*    De Jager earliar this year scored  two tries in Super Rugby where he got the ball outside the opposing team 22 - broke tackles and ran in for the tries without the opposing team backline player getting to him.   Lie exposed by just two examples.

*    De Jager is rarely replaced during games - he normally play through whole games so the Liar must know more about his endurance than the coaching staff knows.

*    Poor hands - when did that happen - it is just another manipulation by our liar on site,

*    Immobile - just a further lie by the liar - no case to prove.

Come now AO - you come up with BS and must then suffer another humiliation -  but your desperate lies does not help you at all.        

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Sept 2018, 10:30
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25 Sept 2018, 10:30#13

What is his tackle radius? Not very much. Can he defend laterally? How fast can he run? How long can he last per game? Had he been in Snyman's shoes we'd have lost the last test. That beautiful offload would never have happened. Lood has hands of stone, and the only race he ever won was against an oak tree in setting its roots. To tackle Lood is to fell a tree.

He would never be selected for New Zealand. They demand that their locks run and pass. Its absolutely critical for the game they play. So you accuse Meyer of dinosaur rugby, but then push for the selection of a dinosaur! This couldn't me more ridiculous. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
25 Sept 2018, 10:32
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25 Sept 2018, 10:32#14

"That's Bluebok Plumster. But ja, my point exactly."

Apologies man.

This is what happens when i post skelem. Haha they think i'm working diligently!

Ruckers works miracles to get the fingers going on a Monday moring.

BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
25 Sept 2018, 10:35
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25 Sept 2018, 10:35#15
Hahahahaha! T rue that! 
BL
bluebokPro3,977 posts
25 Sept 2018, 10:40
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25 Sept 2018, 10:40#16
Augen, I am not the biggest Lood fan on the site. But he definitely showed much improved handling skills in Super Rugby this year. He tends to come and go in tests. Some tests his work rate is actually quite high, and in others he seems lazy. Not sure why exactly that is. Maybe he is prepared to work if the game comes to him, but he is not prepared to go looking for work? Also, he scored quite a good try for the Bulls this year when he combined with Snyman to ultimately get away from the opposing backs and dot down in the corner. So he does seem to have decent pace once he gets going. I think he is just slow off the mark.  
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Sept 2018, 11:11
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25 Sept 2018, 11:11#17

I didn't watch any of the his Super rugby games this year, but I know his tests. His best games are when the Boks play a tight game. He has ample support defensively and can apply concentrated head-on force. I don't for one second believe he is the kind of player we should be playing if we want to play a more complete game. Snyman, Eben, Steph and Mostert are all much better. I'm sure there are others. 

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
25 Sept 2018, 11:48
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25 Sept 2018, 11:48#18
Jury is still out on Lood for me. At this point, with the guys you have named above, I don't really see the need for him. I hope Rassie does not just go with the tried and trusted and bypass Snyman or Mostert to bring Lood back into the fold. We'll see. But the one thing that can be said, we are pretty well stocked at lock. 
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Sept 2018, 11:52
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25 Sept 2018, 11:52#19

Agreed, we have very competitive options. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
25 Sept 2018, 13:08
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25 Sept 2018, 13:08#20

The Boks have gone full circa by employing the rush defence, a defence JW introduced and a defence that gels with their  DNA . I don't think the team had it quite right in Wellington, seemed like they had it +/-75% right which leaves a lot of room for improvement. The experts are saying the Boks won't be able to defend like that again, I reckon they'll do even better once all of the team get their heads around the ABC of the defence.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 Sept 2018, 13:15
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25 Sept 2018, 13:15#21

I will lay a bet that the moment De Jager is back playing he will partner Etzebeth in the lock starting line-up.  In fact I will give 10/1 odds on the bet.

I think that Lood De Jager has been demonized so often on the site that a wrong impression has taken root and the real situation is that he is much better than what is accepted by some members.

Fact is in some aspect of play he is a better lock than Etzebeth as well and I will be crucified for saying that,      

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 Sept 2018, 13:21
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25 Sept 2018, 13:21#22

"Lood is a very poor choice for test rugby. He is slow, has poor endurance, poor hands and is immobile. This is not a lock you pick for a modern game". 

Damian gives us no tactical advantage. What does he bring that improves our chances of winning? It certainly isn't defence and nobody can play off of him. 

Bwahahaahhahahaha another few false notes by the Organhuffer!

Not a single assessment regarding Lood is even vaguely correct. Ou Organhuffer needs a retune!! Hahahahahahhahahahahahaha

As for Allende the point is he has, for the Boks, played better than Esterhuizen who has shown nothing like his Super Rugby form as all sane rugby folk realise. The oak had better get going as he has squandered his chances thus far.



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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
25 Sept 2018, 13:34
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25 Sept 2018, 13:34#23

Where was Lood's mobility when he was rounded against New Zealand? Where were his hands twice in then Welsh 22 in the WC? Where was his speed when he was gazed by the Argentinians around the fringes? I can cite many references to support my statements, can you? 

What is the advantage that Damian gives us? He is a good ruck cleaner at times. Can win the occasional turnover. Shall we make him a 6? 

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