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UK Critic Rips Saders & Super Rugby

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
05 Aug 2018, 23:34
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05 Aug 2018, 23:34#1

They may be on the verge of a Super Rugby dynasty but British rugby writer Stephen Jones says the Crusaders would struggle against the best teams in the Northern Hemisphere.

The Crusaders claimed a ninth Super Rugby title on Saturday night with a 37-18 victory over the Lions – handing the South African franchise their third straight final defeat. 

Writing for the Sunday Times, Jones was less than impressed by the Crusaders and with the Super Rugby competition in general.

"This team is nowhere remotely as good as those Crusader teams inspired by Dan Carter some years ago and when you noted that the Lions were ostensibly the second-best team in the whole competition it made you wonder just how shambolic the worst team must be," Jones wrote.

"The massive distances, even in this era of conferences, mitigates against it. It does South Africa no favours whatsoever because it forces their teams to play in a style so far removed from their history and strengths. The old-style Currie Cup would serve them way better – or even better still, a full-bore transfer of South African teams to European club and international competitions."

The Crusaders finished the season with 17 wins and just two defeats to defend their title. The Lions booked a spot in the final after topping the South African Conference before two comprehensive wins over the Jaguares and Waratahs to reach a third final.

Up to nine members of the squad are expected to be named in the All Blacks Rugby Championship squad today.

Despite that, Jones writes that English clubs Saracens and Leicester along with European Rugby Champions Cup winners Leinster would be hard to beat if they took on Scott Robertson's men.

"In the immediate aftermath of Super Rugby there is always a hankering for a match between the European Champions and the Super champions. And a hankering is all that it should ever be as there are already six games too many in the European season and to add any would be scandalous," wrote Jones.

"But you do doubt if the Crusaders would have enough to trouble Saracens or Leicester at their best. And Racing Metro, losing finalist last year, would have fancied the job too.

"Leinster, with Tadhg Furlong and his blasting pack, and with Jonny Sexton conspiring outside, have that extra something, especially in massive games in massive stadiums".

by NZHerald.co.nz

The Crusaders are rounded enough to play European sides. However, its questionable how the rest would fare. Generally makes some very good points. 


sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
05 Aug 2018, 23:48
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05 Aug 2018, 23:48#2
It does help that many of the best players in the Southern Hemisphere are propping up these teams..
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2018, 03:51
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06 Aug 2018, 03:51#3
Long time writer for The Times, an entertaining but controversial columnist. His negative view of Super Rugby is not new. The Cheetahs probably did better up north than in Super Rugby, which is our only measuring stick....so I'm not sure why he is so convinced. But I tend to agree with his points on South African rugby.
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
06 Aug 2018, 04:47
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06 Aug 2018, 04:47#4

Jones? He always hated Super Rugby and NZ Rugby in general.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
06 Aug 2018, 04:56
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06 Aug 2018, 04:56#5

Stephen Jones is a twat with a chip on his shoulder as big as beeno's.

He hates all Southern Hemisphere rugby especially the All Blacks and has talked shit for years. The green eyed monster got hold of him due to the fact the Southern hemisphere teams win 90% of the games played.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
06 Aug 2018, 06:10
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06 Aug 2018, 06:10#6

I've never seen any of this work before. Funny how I've never come across him considering he is so popular 

I agree with him about the quality of Super rugby. He hits the nail on the head about South African rugby too. The Southern teams are fitter, but how would they fare campaigning against teams that fight for possession and contest set pieces more ferociously? I think that'd be tougher than you'd expect. The Aussie teams would be roadkill. The Lions would be toast. A lot of teams would struggle. Then there are sides like the Saders who would be fine. It'd force Super rugby sides to be more accurate at certain parts of the game, certainly defence. 

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WardadPro6,663 posts
06 Aug 2018, 07:11
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06 Aug 2018, 07:11#7

This waste of a foreskin used to talk shit about the Saders when DC was playing for them .The NH teams that get flogged by the Cheetahs and Kings ? I dare say any Super team would find having a bus trip to each game easy going .

I wonder how long those NH teams would last after being run ragged ? About as well as they do when facing the ABs I guess .

Jones hates the ABs because Wales keep getting flogged and havent won against the ABs since 1953.

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WardadPro6,663 posts
06 Aug 2018, 07:14
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06 Aug 2018, 07:14#8

Only very old Welshmen can remember their last win ,and both of them are on their last legs.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Aug 2018, 07:31
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06 Aug 2018, 07:31#9

Other than the warped kbbs who likes nz rugby and all their well documented shenanigans. Very few outside nz of course. Hahahahahahahahaha

Kbbs the only way to change your very bad reputation is to mend your ways big time!

Beeno offering his kiwi fans some very helpful advice!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2018, 09:58
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06 Aug 2018, 09:58#10

The first sentence is utter BS.   Any of the 8 top teams in Super rugby will beat the best NH clubs despite the large number of SH players contacted by them.   They have a record of big speak and small delivery.   

They could not even put together an English team unable to beat the Springboks with a number of substandard affirmative action picks =  so what else is new.     

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
06 Aug 2018, 10:12
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06 Aug 2018, 10:12#11

I dont watch a lot of NH rugby so this is based on only a few games but the level of play I have seen is not very high, I think Canterbury might crack the top half of the table if they played over there. 

Mind you since their teams are full of SH imports they are probably stronger than any of the 6 nation teams.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
06 Aug 2018, 10:26
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06 Aug 2018, 10:26#12
Jislaaik Lurks, surprised that you with your vast knowledge of the game aint heard of the, oft acerbic, as far as the Colonies go, esp. NZ  .............of rugby writer, Stephan Jones, resident rugby scribe for yonks at The Times, London.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
06 Aug 2018, 12:27
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06 Aug 2018, 12:27#13

I don't follow British media, or South African for that matter. I found South African writers to be very poor, so I never really follow them. Not for nearly 20 years. The British media is absolutely detestable. Like CNN on steroids. Such a disparity between them and reality. I just. Don't enjoy what they do. 

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WardadPro6,663 posts
06 Aug 2018, 15:07
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06 Aug 2018, 15:07#14

Beanshit wants us to be losers like his idiot self,nah fuck that winners are grinners.Hey beanshit how come the ABs always play to packed houses ?I dot see anyone saying they wish they could play like SA.Not even Italy.

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