MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 03:57#2
Vearibgg? If its a good team where is Matfield?
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 08:43#3
Mozart
One never wish a person to be injured - but Matfield is injured and will not be in the test next week. Great advantage for the team that will at least have 5 tight 5 players and not 4 plus a passenger.
BEBeeno1
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BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Aug 2014, 09:58#4
Good selection Mike. Concerns would be starting the underdone Eben and Malhebe. These two will get some Currie Cup time with malherbe coming off the bench. I would give Steen kamp a shot on the loosehead as he played well in the world cup game and Pumas may have a strong scrum.
If Jean is not ready to play we have Allende and jan. Allende is coming of an injury so will not be completely match fit. Meyer will have to call up a center. Go for Jordaan possibly or will we see JJ /Frans Steyn back? Sadie could be an option.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 12:17#5
Beeno
Fransie has thrown his toys out of the cot - a lucky break for the Springboks bearing in mind his record over the past two years - and he is not available for the first two tests. I do not think JJ will get back into the squad easily - Jordaan was called up when De Allende and De Villiers were not available in June and not JJ.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 12:42#6
Malherbe was a liability even before the long lay off as we saw in that debacle at Cardiff Arms Park where Coenie was sent off for his transgressions. This guy will never survive NZ plotting.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 12:44#7
Mozart
Stop your bloody lies - what debacle are you talking ab out here?
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 12:49#8
We aren't talking OOm....I'm talking and you are trying to catch up. But it's your turn at bat, give me one game where Malherbe actually dominated his opponent. At best he holds his ground. At worst he is collapsing, putting down a hand or conced ing penalties as he did in Cardiff. Okay your turn duffus.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
06 Aug 2014, 12:51#9
Matfield is shit and past it - wake the fuck up
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 12:55#10
Fattus 26....JJ is shit and past it....oops I guess he never was there in the first place.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 13:03#12
Mozart
Malherbe did a hell of a lot better in Super 15 this year than Jannie did - fact. Go and count the number of scrumming penalties given away by those two players and you may see the light. And he is better than Jannie in play outside of scrumming. Just think - Jannie never scored a try in 148 Super 15 appearances - Malherbe scored 2 in his last game.
Malherbe conceded one penalty in that game you harp about - Jenkins his opponent conceded two. So caught out as a liar again. By the way Jannie scrummed against the self-same Jenkins and in two games gave away 4 penalties.
So who flopped against Jenkins - liar?
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 13:26#13
You should take heed, fat grease ball....HM is the only person whose call counts.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Aug 2014, 17:31#15
Lambie at 10, JJ at 13....or is it Taute at 13? Bwhahahaha.
GTGonzo the Great
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GTGonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
06 Aug 2014, 17:49#16
the boks have finished 2nd two seasons in a row and havent been beaten by any side other than new zealand since june/july 2012... yeah right, the guy doesnt know what he is doing. And we're a solid 2nd in the rankings for a while now. saffex give it up you make yourself look silly.
06 Aug 2014, 18:07#17
Question to self: "I wonder if I should tell them that Safesex wanted to get rid of Habana as well about two and a half years ago...........................?"
GTGonzo the Great
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06 Aug 2014, 18:10#18
really? hahahahahahahaha! yeah people were on his back, but nobody really knew the real issues why none of our backs were scoring tries. weird hey, get rid of the best wing in the world should take care of that! Maybee like a gun, if you cant use it, just chop the barrel off, that oughta do the trick. Man so much laughter I feel dizzy
06 Aug 2014, 18:26#19
11 November 2011:
"Moz I see enough experience in the likes of JP, Frans, Pienaar, Spies,
Brussouw, Schalk, Bekker, Beast, Jannie and Bismark to carry us forward.
Mix these guys with the likes of Lambie, Mvovo, Sadie, Taute, Jantjies,
Goosen, Hougaard, Coenie, Chiliboy, A.Strauss, Flip, Mostert, Louw,
Vermeulen, Daniel, J.Strauss and co and we have something to work with
going forward. Hanging on to the likes of Habana, Jean, Bakkies and co would be counter productive.
We have plenty of experience to draw on"
06 Aug 2014, 18:32#20
And then, to win us the 2012 TN (sic).
But we have lost du Preez, Matfield and Smit to retirement. So that leaves Habana, Fourie, Jean, Morne, Steenkamp, Smith and Bakkies from the old guard. You are no Fourie fan, Habana
is no longer a striker and Jean is the wrong side of 30 and needs to
move aside for Frans. Jean at 13 is a no, no - we need speed out wide.
Taute will give us that as will Sadie. As for Morne, I have said enough
about this average player.
We could retain Steenkamp, but we dont
need to as the younger Beast is better. Bakkies is no longer the force
he used to be and it would therefore make more sense investing in the
younger Flip and Mostert. Smith no longer has the body to keep going and
we have an abundance of young loosies to choose from.
Moz we
have the core of the team in Lambie, JP, Frans, Hougaard, Beast,
Bismark, Jannie, Bekker, Schalk, Brussouw, Alberts and Spies......that's
12 of our 15.......we have nothing to worry about......those 12 plus
the likes of Mvovo, Taute, Sadie, Jantjies, Flip, Mostert, J.Strauss,
Louw, Vermeulen and Daniel will win us TN games not lose
them.....especially if we pick the best man for the job as coach.
I will admit that I was, at some stage, also a Pierre Spies fan but he has let me down big time.
GTGonzo the Great
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06 Aug 2014, 18:41#21
man, this guys a real honest to god coach? bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! 2012 too, mostert was trolled all over in 2011 in a record loss to new zealand. lambie wa also there another culprit. he really is a stubborn bastard!
06 Aug 2014, 18:57#22
And then the cherry on the cake on 25 Jan 2012:
Hell for a change we have a merit coach, coupled with an exciting crop
of youngsters, mixed in with a good blend of experience.......what more
could we ask for?
We have the experience in Habana, JP,
Fourie, Frans, Morne, Pienaar, Beast, Bismark, Jannie, Bekker, Schalk,
Smith, Brussouw and Spies - to a lesser extent Alberts, Hougaard, Louw,
Mujati and Kankan.
We have some exciting young talent in Lambie, Ludik, Beyers, Mjekevu,
JJ. Engelbrecht, v/d Heever, Mvovo, Mapoe, Sithole, Taute, Murray,
Sadie, F.Venter, Watermeyer, Jan Serfontien, Dries Swanepoel, de Jongh,
Jantjies, Goosen, Vermaak, Hoffman, Kockott, Greyling, Coenie, M.v/d
Merwe, W.Kruger, Buys, R.de Klerk, F.Kirsten, A.Strauss, Chiliboy,
Burden, D.Fourie, Flip, Mostert, Roodt, Etsebeth, J.du Plessis (Bok
U20), Elstadt, Bullbring, JA Marais, Hargreaves, Bresler, J.Kruger,
Daniel, Potgieter, J.Strauss, Vermeulen, A.Botha, Watson, CJ.Stander,
Deysel, Kolisi, Koster, Stegman, v/d Walt, M.Coetzee, Rhodes
Hell if Meyer cant produce the goods with this crop then he might as
well chuck in the towel and stick wit h the Bulls - mouth watering
prospects here. A team of talented players given direction by a coach
who knows what he is doing? Pinch yourselevs lads - its happening - we
are about to have a merit coach unleashed on us
GTGonzo the Great
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06 Aug 2014, 19:07#23
does he just like writing long lists of names? mujati, kankan, spies, hoffman, mostert, koster, kolisi, murray.... too msny to go through by so many are compleetly off the radar today. just goes to show. I'll be careful with my posts now i didnt know we had archivers here lol!
DBDbDraad
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DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 19:09#24
I think that Sadie really upped his game this season and I would have liked to see him at 13 in the June tests. The RC is however not the competition to blood a new centre pair of rookies and greenhorns. Hope Jean is fit for NZ and Oz or we are in deep trouble. I hope the Fransie issues will be sorted soon, as that's our only experienced backup at centre.
06 Aug 2014, 19:25#26
Saffex
You are great and you have great rugby knowledge (most of the time) and I agree with 90% of what you say. Foremost, i must mention that I agree on your take on Lambie 100%.
But brother, you have used the word "fuck" on 4 of your posts on this thread alone. Lets not even get in to your other posts gone by...
Do you battle to communicate properly? You elocute yourself really badly my man.
We are all allowed to have opinions brother. Why do you respond with a personal curse whenever someone does not like or agre e with an opinion of yours?
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Aug 2014, 19:27#27
Bonzo
Yje Springboks finished third in 2012 and second last year - not second in both years. Lets go through it then -
* AB's won all their matches* The Wallabies beat us away and won both Argentina marches% The Springboks beat Australia and Argentina at home and drew against Argentina away
The Wallabies got 12 points plus bonus points
We got 10 points plus bonus point
How could we end up ahead of the Wallabies with that record?
That being the case - the situation is that because of local circumstances the Wallabies was weakened last year and that gave us the opportunity to beat them twice. However, they have sorted out their problems and am looking a lot stronger this year.
Wea re in fact looking worse than last year wit a number of players on the skids - so our chances of beating them this year is near to zero. There is no way that we can win anything with so many has beens and never has beens in the squad.
Hell - with Matfield, Botha, Alberts, Steenkamp, Morne and Pienaar around we struggled against Wales i- especially in the second test after a massive display by Le Roux. The latter vbecame a Springbok bec ause Jirchner was injured and Meyer delayed the squad announcement to see how Kirchner did in a game before the June tests. Kirchner was so poor - Meyer had no option but to select Le Roux. To his credit he stuck with le Roux - but the latter was a massive improvement to what Meyer was used to previously. That is what i call selection by accident = not by intent.
Our chances of beating the Wallabies depends on whether the terrible five misfits - as lister by me plays or not. If they do we can kiss our winning chance good bye.
DBDbDraad
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DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 19:41#28
Mike, the Boks will be fine. We only need a real 13 and a backup for Jannie. Hopefully Frans and Damien can step up to the plate and solve that problem for Meyer. Frans is still a bit young for a real 3, but maybe he can do the job.
06 Aug 2014, 19:43#29
"Hell - with Matfield, Botha, Alberts, Steenkamp, Morne and Pienaar..............."
OK, let's give it one last go.
Etzebeth - injured
PSDT - injured
Goosen - injured
Lambie - injured
Pollard - at JRWC
I asked what the other alternatives were, at least three times (IIRC) , on one single thread and did not get a reply.
DBDbDraad
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DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Aug 2014, 19:54#30
I would have liked to see Marnitz have a proper chance. We know what we have in Morne. ATM I see Lambie as backup for Willie and whoever is playing 10.
