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Very strong complaint about refs by Dr Brendon Venter

Started by Beeno123 REPLIES362 VIEWS· 20 Nov 2014, 08:56
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Nov 2014, 08:56
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20 Nov 2014, 08:56#1

We saw Kaplans cricism of the hapless kiw ref Walsh robbing the Boks of some 20 points. Brendon Veneter wrining in Supersport notes the final result was not a true reflection of the test


The Springboks bounced back brilliantly against England at Twickenham and, in my opinion, the final result was not a true reflection of the test.

Indeed, had it not been for Victor Matfield’s sin-binning and the 14 points the hosts registered while he was off the field (Both tries follwed unpenalised infringments), I believe it would have been an annihilation.(What about Walsh not carding Enhglanmd for a rolling maul infringment  - as noted by Kaplan

I’ve often written about the need to find balance between running and kicking. In my book, every team possesses its own unique balance, owing to the playing personnel available.

Against Ireland, the Springboks got carried away with a ball-in-hand approach and tried too hard to be something that they are not.(Unforced errors cost the Boks)

In contrast, against England they returned to their old recipe and attained positive results.

While the Boks will experience a few blips in terms of identity along the way, the best thing about them is that they’re able to acknowledge when they make mistakes. I personally admire Heyneke Meyer for the way in which he readjusts the balance when necessary.

The halfback pairing of Cobus Reinach and Pat Lambie deserve credit for their respective performances against Stuart Lancaster’s charges.

The criticism aimed at Reinach in the past has pertained to his core skills. However, on the back of Saturday’s assured display, it can be said that when a talented player stays in the system long enough, his core skills – kicking out of hand and passing – improve exponentially.

A lot was also said about Lambie’s game prior to the test but the drop kick he slotted in the second stanza was so classy and ultimately proved the difference between the two sides. That scenario is exactly what I mean when I talk of effective game management.

It proves that the above example of game management is not a one-off occasion but rather about a flyhalf growing in confidence. I believe, the more senior the flyhalf the better his game management. Naas Botha would be the first to admit that you play on instinct as a young player but as you get older and more experienced, you play with more of a plan.

I’m of the view that Heyneke will be happy with the flyhalf depth currently at his disposal. With an eye on next year’s World Cup, his argument will be that he will pick his in-form flyhalf.

Handré Pollard remains a brilliant rugby player and will play for South Africa for a long time to come but if we can head into the World Cup with both tens available, what a blessing.

As a coach, it’s about assuring both of the players that they are in your plans going forward.

Regarding the test against Italy this Saturday, while the hosts are set to employ negative tactics, the Boks should still dominate and focus their attention on playing proper rugby.

My rugby rant of the week revolves around the current standard of topflight refereeing.

Genuinely now, somebody needs to stand up and take responsibility for all these poor calls, as it simply cannot continue to occur week-in and week-out at the highest level.

(Disgraceful kiwi refs like Walsh should get the boot. 

I believe it has reached a tipping point where the IRB must now look for a new breed of referees, because the current modus operandi is clearly not working or serving the game. (AGREED ITS MOSTLY JUST SERVING THE BENT KIWIS!!!)

The time for talk is over. The powers that be must show coaches that there are consequences for poor refereeing performance, even if it means trying new personnel on a weekly basis.

As far as Steve Walsh is concerned, it never looks like he is in control of the situation. When I watch him on the field, he appears rattled and unsure of himself, and that’s a big problem.

While match officials are only human and will make mistakes from time to time, it’s imperative to get the critical calls right. Unfortunately, that was not the case on Saturday.

The Bryan Habana touchline incident over the weekend, where the ball was blatantly out on the full, serves as a fitting case in point… That passage of play led to England’s second try.

When you are calm as a referee, it’s easy to double check with the TMO in those instances.

Has the time come for a captain’s challenge in rugby? (YES YES YES!)

If you are a clueless kbb you will think well we beat England by 3 points (inoring the non try by th e crude) and so did the Boks. No account is taken of the effect on points by bad ref decisions.

AND HENCE THE FABRICATED AB TEST RECORD!

 

Beeno telling it like it is. 


JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Nov 2014, 09:01
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20 Nov 2014, 09:01#2
The manic/depressive cycle of the Boks fans continues. What will it be this week? Probably the manic phase as the Boks should trample the Italians.
However, just in case Beeno is starting his pre-match excuses, bent refs... 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Nov 2014, 09:27
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20 Nov 2014, 09:27#3
Venter if you want a rapid improvement all that is needed is to ban all kiwi refs. That will stop 90% of he problems?FAce up to the FACTS JW  9at any cost) the kiwi ref Walsh showed his bias agaisnt the Boks costing them some 20 points. We should have won the game by 23 points and the England be beaten the wee abs by 4.  A trues reflection is tha twe were 24 points better against England than the wee abs when ref errors are eleiminated. BWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I DONT THINK THe RANKING ARE REFLECTIVE OF WHO IS THE BEST SIDE.
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ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
20 Nov 2014, 13:08
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20 Nov 2014, 13:08#4
 Mr. Be en,
how old are you? 4 or 5?
grow up, man.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
20 Nov 2014, 13:12
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20 Nov 2014, 13:12#5
 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Nov 2014, 13:17
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20 Nov 2014, 13:17#6
"Mr. Been,
how old are you? 4 or 5?
grow up, man."


ABasque, don't confuse immaturity with stupidity.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Nov 2014, 13:27
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20 Nov 2014, 13:27#7
 AB ASS if you think Kaplans take on walshes abysmal perfomance is wrong state you case.Seeing you have none I suppose you will resort to playground comments. Ditto you rooitwit ya hapless halfwit!Next
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
20 Nov 2014, 13:27
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20 Nov 2014, 13:27#8
 AB ASS if you think Kaplans take on walshes abysmal perfomance is wrong state you case.Seeing you have none I suppose you will resort to playground comments. Ditto you rooitwit ya hapless halfwit!Next
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
20 Nov 2014, 14:03
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20 Nov 2014, 14:03#9
Mr. Been,
when you don't like what happens you build your own world, your own reality and this denotes lack of madurity. You are a textbook case.

It's very easy after a match to take the circumstances that suit you (injuries, weather, "greasy slippery balls" and all the BS that you usually bring here), to take the ref's mistakes that suit you, reject the mistakes that doesn't suit you and with all this "to cook" the result that you wanted.
In fact, anyone could do it. Even a namibian could begin from their last lost to Canada and begin to add excuses like injuries or travel issues, put some mistakes of the ref, then conclude that Namibia should have won, compare Canada with other national team, this one with another and finally arrive to the conclusion that Namibia is the best team in the world.
But adult people accept the reality as it is and don't lose their time trying to convince the rest that his delusional world is the only one that should be taken into account.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
20 Nov 2014, 15:01
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20 Nov 2014, 15:01#10
 As for the last boks match against England, some stats:

   England                                                       South Africa

18 Kicks from hand 25 141 Passes 57 113 Runs 82 378 Metres run with ball 237 Attacking 58% (65%/52%) Possession (1H/2H) 42% (35%/48%) 60% (72%/49%) Territory (1H/2H) 40% (28%/51%) 8 Clean breaks 3 22 Defenders beaten 1 2 Offloads 4

The boks 20 points better? really?





WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
21 Nov 2014, 00:01
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21 Nov 2014, 00:01#11
 BP  you know its only when its the ABS being subjected to stupidity from refs that its all OK ,when its anyone else farktards like beansh!tferbrains squeal like leetle stuck pigs ! [ and stuck pigs squeal mighty friggin loud I can tell you ]Its not the refs that are the worry lately its some fukwitty TV crew trying to skew things in favour of their team .Neutral TV crews anyone ?
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
21 Nov 2014, 00:02
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21 Nov 2014, 00:02#12
 Neutral TV crews LOL that will be the day Wardad
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2014, 08:26
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21 Nov 2014, 08:26#13
 KKBS as always I draw your attention to the FACTS. Kaplan has nailed wee Walshie for sure. The facts support my contention and here we have Venter concurring that enough is enough.Now of course for the benfactors, the huge benefactors of this rotten sytem - the wee abs and their fans - nothing needs to change. We dont want the correct decisions made.
Unless of course its against us thinks the kbbs. Like that forward pass by the frogs that booted the poor abs out of the world cup. That singular incident has been more lamented over that any other single incident in rugby history. We had dozens of those admistered by nz ref of the year bryce lawrence. Bwahahahahhahahahaha kbbs on the ropes.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Nov 2014, 08:30
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21 Nov 2014, 08:30#14
 I thought the selection of wee Mattfield was "the most lamented decision in history" for one weee poster (Beeno)
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2014, 08:54
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21 Nov 2014, 08:54#15
 Yes JW matfiled is the biggest blunder we have ever made in our history. Bok forwards are our key competitive edge. Messing up your tight five by including matfiled is unforgiveable.

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
21 Nov 2014, 10:04
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21 Nov 2014, 10:04#16
 Bok forwards your key competitive edge? Since when Hasbeeno, certainly not since you've been forced to have neutral refs in home tests from 1992 onwards! H ave a look at your record against the wee ABs since then! Bwahahahahahahahaha!!
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2014, 12:28
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21 Nov 2014, 12:28#17
 mooooo la you are all confused. The amount of RAWs you oaks have received is of such proportions that the record post isoloation is now worthless.You will recall that this was all planed by that worthless oak bryce lawrence's father who letter asking the oz refs to blow us out the game is legendary. 
So all improvements to the ref debacle will be warmly welcomed from this quarter and no doubt plenty of wailing from the kiwis!  Dr Brendon Venters call is much appreciated. Enough is enough as I have been saying. Great minds think alike mooooo la!
Well said Beeno 




HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
21 Nov 2014, 15:31
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21 Nov 2014, 15:31#18
 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2014, 19:38
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21 Nov 2014, 19:38#19
 Hcked waaaugh thankfully your little picture didnt come out! Hahhahahaha
Look we have a case here again where B eeno is dealing with facts and the kbbs with bluster.Spot the difference
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
21 Nov 2014, 23:12
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21 Nov 2014, 23:12#20
 Hasbeeno, Dr Brendon Venter makes about as much sense as you and the other halfwit Professor Tim Joakes. 3 peas in a pod......England B won all the stats (something you were quick to point out for the Boks when they were torn a new one by Ireland D!) but you and the good Doctor (Doctoring of the truth would be his only qualification) conveniently now choose to ignore this info when it doesn't suit!!Bwa.....etc...
HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
21 Nov 2014, 23:24
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21 Nov 2014, 23:24#21
 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Nov 2014, 07:58
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22 Nov 2014, 07:58#22
 Hi there Cloudy. Yes there are times when we lose and its our own fault. The Dunedin test comes to mind when we knocked on two tries and missed was it nine goalable kicks.
Mooo la I never said we domina ted the English test like we did the Irish test. I actually think we need to realise we cannot afford to play pap victor against a decent pack like the Poms have. Even though the scorboard without ref errors could make us 20 points better it was not satisfactory. 
All this is a diversion. Which kiwis here stand for cleaning up the game so as to avoid any more RAWs.Are there any. Just one - Just win?
Kbbs on a spot!






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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Nov 2014, 09:33
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22 Nov 2014, 09:33#23
 Cloudy I knew you would come through. 
Now to convert JW and hacked waaugh. Warped DUD will be hard nut to crack! Ou Brycy well nigh impossible!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Nov 2014, 11:06
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22 Nov 2014, 11:06#24
Beeno heads to school to learn about rugby.
One must remain optimistic mumbled the fair-minded kiwi
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