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Victor, Frans, BismarckJordaan all excellent today

Started by Mozart17 REPLIES396 VIEWS· 24 May 2014, 13:33
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 May 2014, 13:33
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24 May 2014, 13:33#1


Frans had another outstanding game today....he is showing great leadership and brawn. The card, was a total crock....look at the incident again and you will see a Blues player flying in off his feet, ending on our side of the ball. Fran's had perfect position over the ball until that happened. One of many bent decisions from this ref....I had to laugh when the Blues players found fault with his decisions...apparently not bent enough.



Bismarck was massive today at the breakdown, with his vaunted upper body strength in evidence.


Victor showed every bit of his craft in the Brumbies rout....you had to love his gliding run and superb dummy.


And hats off to Jordaan, he had few attacking chances....but took on the task of stopping Nonu, no easy assignment. I have been critical of his tackling in the past, but today he was a wall. Yes Nonu barged through him once, but he stopped him dead several times....JJ should take notes.


Reinach was good and bad, like last week. But his kicking is a weakness he has to correct.


Less impressive showings came from Mvovo and the Bools centres. Yes Serfontein beat a tackle or two and was involved in the Bools scoring. But his miss on Speight was the kind of tackle a Bok centre just has to make...but he was well beaten on the outside.


As for JJ he played the part of Speights handbag for about 20 of his 90 odd metres. And on attack he was invisible making the wrong choice on several occasions. The invisible man. His stats say 14 tackles made....but how many metres lost in the tackle and how many offloads?


Also impressive were  Willemse, Greyling, the Beast....less impressive du Plessis, Botes.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 May 2014, 17:34
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24 May 2014, 17:34#2
Mozart
Did you watch any of the matches or are you practicing your normal BS of writing your crap again based on journalists reports.
Lets put it bluntly.  Steyn thoroughly deserved that bloody card - he should have known better.  And he was handing over possession of the ball 4 times to the Blues. For every one thing he does well he buggers up 3.  Justin Marshall said he has the worst record of handi ng over ball possession to the opposition and he proved that again yesterday.  
Serfontein had an excellent game - you are talking utter BS about him.  Matfield was very good in the case where he assisted in the scoring of the try by Serfontein - but he also buggered up in moontlighting in the backline a number of times.  That being said it was Matfield best game this year.   
Engelbrecht made enough tackles - but some of them was not quality tackles and he showed nothing in attacking play.           
   
             
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 May 2014, 17:42
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24 May 2014, 17:42#3
Serfontein missed Speight one on one through the outside gap. It was a classic test against a dangerous back, he was simply not quick enough.it resulted in a try and nobody has highlighted it....so you naturally missed it totally. I didn't  It reminded me of Giteau showing up Olivier's lack of pace. For the rest he was industrious.. Scarecely excellent.
Matfield was the MOM. 
Steyn was a huge contributor and the glue that's holding the team together. He has played two huge games in NZ against some of their best. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 May 2014, 17:57
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24 May 2014, 17:57#4
 Mozart
The glue worked particularly well when Steyn was not on the field of play.  You are not talking the truth about his performances and the following facts are clear:-
*   Tackle stats =   17 made - 4 missed.   18.18% is too high.*   Ball possession handovers to opposing teams =  SEVEN times - incredibly bad*   Yellow card thrown in.
The problem with Steyn is that for every one good thing he does in games - he buggers up 3.  Nobody needs that kind of glue.       
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 May 2014, 18:10
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24 May 2014, 18:10#5
 FHSteyn0/0165/10/530111312/10/021/0SHReinach1/0513/30/94000135/30/020/0 
Check your stats. And then compare them against your pick Reinach. And then correct your mistake.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 May 2014, 18:39
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24 May 2014, 18:39#6
 Who said I picked Reinach for anything this week.  Last week i picked him in the absence of any real opposition from any other SA scrummie.  My scrummy pick this week might be Hougaard - unless something really good comes up in the remaining two matches.   What mistake did I make?  I wrote nothing about Reinach this week and my pick last week was based on actually competition r lack thereof from other SA scrummies - not anything else.   
Where I was critical is about elements of the play of Steyn and Jannie - and I did check their stats and what I said was correct.  For what should I apologize?      
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 May 2014, 19:06
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24 May 2014, 19:06#7
Well for one....six plus twelve is eighteen not seventeen. If you use your fingers and your toes you can check it out...wehe.  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 May 2014, 19:12
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24 May 2014, 19:12#8
The greatest Springbok of the open era....Victor....as far as I'm concerned as long as Victor says he's ready and the coaches pick him, I'll buy in....even if he is forty five.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 May 2014, 19:39
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24 May 2014, 19:39#9
 Ok that I apologize for - but the figures of ESPN is also updated from time to time.  The initial figure was 11 tackles made and 1 missed and the later one 12 and 1.    Even then - the missed tackle ratio is 17,39% is still too high.   
Incidentally you moaned previously about Jordaan's tackling - his stats at 8%  for the season is the best of any center in Super 15 and for the last two matches it was 15% - which is just above the 10 to 14% acceptable level.   Even with the latest two matches higher ratio he is still below 10% for the whole season.      
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 May 2014, 19:47
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24 May 2014, 19:47#10
Soooo now it was ESPN changing the numbers...hahaha. Nice try but I'm not buying the Kool aid.
But let's look at your logic. Reinach has been your pick for the Boks and for the TOW. But while you are naming him for the TOW he turns over the ball 3 times..Fransie 4...but Reinach is your scrummie of the week, and Fransie unacceptable.

And Fransie's 82 per cent tackle ratio is unacceptable....but you pick  de Allende for Bok 13, who is tackling at the same success ratio.
Contradictions, arithmetic errors, biased observation. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 May 2014, 22:58
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24 May 2014, 22:58#11
Mozart
There is no logic on your side.  I am comparing players in the same position with players in the same position - not a flyhalf with a scrummie.  Steyn did not make my TOW because he had one excellent play and he rest of the game was really par or even poorer than it should be.
If you look at the following you may see why:-
Steyn0/1107/6/85613146/30/000/0
Goosen1/02210/15/103013317/10/010/0
You ar e the most biased person on this site - but even you must admit Goosen was better than Steyn in virtually every aspect of the game and in particular his point contribution to the team and his off-loads - and he was very much better in defense and only had one ball turnover. 
Now you bring in De Allende.  His line breaks, try contributions and defenders beaten are way ahead of Fransie - in one recent game he did more of those things than Fransie did in the season as a whole.    He is the top rated center in Super 15 - whether you like it or not.   I pick him at 13 because I believe he can bring more to the game than Fourie, JJ and De Jongh combined.  Paulse was on a TV programme last night and you should have heard what he said about De Allende - he never stopped praising him and said he developed rapidly this year into the best center in SA.
If you want to argue on merit please do so - and we can discuss issues, but to mix up issues without looking at it objectively there will be no agreement on the issue of players like Fransie - you look at one or two incidents in a game - I look at his contribution throughout the game. 
 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2014, 00:08
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25 May 2014, 00:08#12
 Moz matfield played a bit of rugby for once. However he is not a tight forard and his little dummy doesnt rule out the numerous backline moves he has ruined. He should not be starting for the bulle and should not be in any Bok squad. 
We cannot afford to play a tight 4 if we want to get our loose trio sorted. Strong tight five with a bit more pace in lose trio is what we must have.
Away with the show pony and arch con artist.

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carpetmuncherPro1,667 posts
25 May 2014, 00:15
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25 May 2014, 00:15#13

 the sharks are looking in fine form and the weird part is I don't really feel that have really put a solid 80 mins together and that scares me.


I really do feel they will hit there stripes and good luck to any team catching them on there "on day"



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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2014, 00:25
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25 May 2014, 00:25#14
 Moz if wee matfiel d were 100 he would still be fooling you!!  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
25 May 2014, 00:27
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25 May 2014, 00:27#15
 Muncher it could get interesting when the Sharks arrive at Newlands or even next week. Good to see you back.
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PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
25 May 2014, 08:47
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25 May 2014, 08:47#16
 Totally agree Moz, they are some of the best SA players and will create havoc in the RC. F Steyn had an excellent game against the Blues, reads the game very well and has an ability to look well ahead to create opportunity with his tactical kicking.
 Bismarck is one of my favorite players out of Africa, his defensive work and efficiency around the park is extremely impressive. He is setting a very high standard for the rest to catch up with,  the AB will have their work cut out to keep up with him. He will be public enemy numero uno and must be contained at all costs. Albert's is a real nuisance as well.Even though the Blues beat more defenders gained twice as much ground they couldn't convert it into points. Good defense combined with Blues poor tactics. Even though they missed 22 tackles to Blues 12 the Blues still failed. Poor decision making at crucial stages cost them. Sharks really know how to grind a team down. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
25 May 2014, 11:55
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25 May 2014, 11:55#17
 papamoa
While I agree with your views as expressed - I normally get scared if New Zealand supporters suggest the inclusion of certain players int eh Springbok team   
After all their favourite for years was Morne Steyn and a few other match losers in th Springbok team.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
25 May 2014, 12:23
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25 May 2014, 12:23#18
 Bismarck is in a class by himself at hooker. Making him captain seems to have helped him become more responsible & controlled. Much fewer penalties/cards & he has not stomped on anyone lately. He also plays like a loose forward (fetcher) & this allows Meyer to put in big bruisers as loose forwards.
Steyn is a big threat & only seems to get better.  
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