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Victor Matfield’s all time best Bok side

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Apr 2023, 19:12
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13 Apr 2023, 19:12#1
Victor Matfield has named his best all-time Springboks XV Victor Matfield, the most capped Springboks international of all time, has named his best South African XV. The retired 45-year-old played in 127 Test matches for his country, starting with a June 2001 debut in Port Elizabeth versus Italy and finishing with an appearance in the third-place playoff versus Argentina in London at the 2015 Rugby World Cup. Now a rugby pundit, he appeared this week on the latest RugbyPass Offload and was asked to name his best-ever Springboks team, a challenge that proved awkward. “It’s not easy,” he said before starting off his team by revealing his loosehead pick. “It’s touch and go between Os du Randt and the Beast [Tendai Mtawarira] but just because I played more games with him I have to go with Os du Randt. Hooker, same thing. John Smit, my captain. Bismarck du Plessis is the best hooker I played with it but all the best things I won, John Smit was there so I am going to go with John at No2. “At tighthead, I am going to go with a guy that I didn’t play that many games with, but I just think he is unbelievable. I played in 2015 with him, Frans Malherbe, and he is still winning games for South Africa week in, week out. “In the second row, do I have to pick myself? You said I have to be in there. I need to go with a combo with myself and Bakkies (Botha) – although I think that Eben Etzebeth is probably the best lock that the world has ever seen. He has got the physicality of a Bakkies Botha. “If he is on the field no one will get in his face. Everyone takes a step back. Everyone talks about Maro Itoje, the Lions Test match, he started hiding because he couldn’t stand up to Etzebeth. And then he is athletic. If a kick goes up, he is the first guy going up to catch that ball and he is just all over. “He has got an engine that you can’t believe. He can’t call lineouts but his athletic ability to get in the air is just unbelievable. But Bakkies playing with me, the way we just worked together – I’ll go with Bakkies with myself. “Openside I am going with Heinrich Brussow. He was a match changer for us when he came in. We always played with Schalk Burger at openside. Jake (White) didn’t believe in a real fetcher in the game but when Heinrich Brussow came in in 2009, he just changed the way we played and we were much better with him at openside. “Blindside flanker I am going with Juan Smith. He played for us in the World Cup and was just a guy that never stopped, was in your face the whole time just coming on defence, on attack and I mean at the lineout time he was very good as well. “And No8, Pierre Spies was unbelievable, but you need to have Schalk Burger in your team so if I don’t pick Schlak Burger at openside, I am picking Schalk at eight. He developed into that player in his career as well. “In the beginning of his career, he just wanted to smash into everything and everyone. At the end of his career, he just had that skill of being that first receiver, playing options in front, behind and he just had a beautiful skill set but he still had an engine. So Schalk is at eight. “At nine, Fourie du Preez, the best player I played with my whole life against and with. Just an unbelievable player, so that is an easy choice. Also, my vice-captain if I am the captain. We won a lot of trophies. “Ten is difficult for me. Butch (James) was unbelievable but I am going with a youngster I coached before I played with him and then I played with him at the 2015 World Cup. He is probably not your natural fly-half but he knows how to win games and he is just such a tough guy, so Handre Pollard at 10 although I just played one or two seasons with him. “Centres? Thirteen is easy, Jaque Fourie, the best 13 I played with by far. Twelve is difficult. Jean de Villiers, Frans Steyn but I will go with Jean de Villiers because I played with him for a very long time. “Frans is an unbelievable player as well. He can slot in there any time and he came in 2007 when Jean was injured and we won that World Cup, so Jean and Jaque are the centres. “The wingers are easy, Bryan Habana on the left and JP Pietersen on the right. Two legends, guys who can finish. Everyone knows about Bryan, but I think JP was very underrated, but he finished every time he got an opportunity. He was solid in defence and so good under the high ball. “And then at 15, Mr Consistency, Percy Montgomery. And we need those blonde locks in team as well just for team spirit.”
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
13 Apr 2023, 21:16
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13 Apr 2023, 21:16#2

So basically the side he played in.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
13 Apr 2023, 21:25
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13 Apr 2023, 21:25#3

How can a team consisting only of players who played in games with Victor Matfield be called an "all time" best XV?

An all time Springbok XV that excludes the likes of Danie Gerber, Hennie Muller or Frik du Preez is put together by someone who either has no knowledge or respect for great Springboks from the past or else doesn't understand the concept of "all time".

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Apr 2023, 22:35
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13 Apr 2023, 22:35#4
He should have named it the best side he played with or against
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Apr 2023, 04:31
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14 Apr 2023, 04:31#5

And that's why I didn't like Victor, good player, but his BIG ego got in the way.

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SebPro2,680 posts
14 Apr 2023, 07:18
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14 Apr 2023, 07:18#6

Good player in his younger days but not the brightest pebble on the beach.

https://youtu.be/VkVBDxCfeXw

https://youtu.be/VkVBDxCfeXw

 

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SebPro2,680 posts
14 Apr 2023, 07:57
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14 Apr 2023, 07:57#7

Kiewiet bird is a SA Plover...very apt in this context.

https://youtu.be/BGuws-U8sVE

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
14 Apr 2023, 11:25
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14 Apr 2023, 11:25#8
How can Victor choose bakkies over Eben??? Eben is much more skill full and Bakkies mostly just made trouble on the field : )
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Apr 2023, 12:10
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14 Apr 2023, 12:10#9

"– although I think that Eben Etzebeth is probably the best lock that the world has ever seen."


Says all you need to know.

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becsPro4,378 posts
14 Apr 2023, 17:12
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14 Apr 2023, 17:12#10

Nice to see he’s not biased in any way ! 

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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
15 Apr 2023, 13:27
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15 Apr 2023, 13:27#11

A good chunk of Victor's Boks were all time great Boks. That was the last golden age of Bok talent. Brimming with leaders from top to bottom. 

  1. Bakkies > Eben
  2. Smit > Bismarck
  3. Habana and JP were the la st rock solid wing pair we've had. Complete players. 
  4. Beast edges Os. 
  5. Agreed on Brussow. Minus Brussow, 2009 looks more like 2008 or worse.
  6. Pollard is not as talented as Butch. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Apr 2023, 15:37
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15 Apr 2023, 15:37#12

"Bakkies > Eben"

Horse manure. 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
15 Apr 2023, 17:16
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15 Apr 2023, 17:16#13

Eben is not the enforcer Bakkies was. Next in line would be Danie. Perhaps even Flip at third. Flip van der Merwe tipped the power scales to an obscene level. He was never outgunned against the All Blacks. The more recent Boks are such a physically weak side that it's easy to think of Eben as being greater than past Boks, he stands out a bit more. He's struggle to stand out as a physical specimen even in the 2003 team, who were comprehensively more physical than any year of Erasmus' tenure. 

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
15 Apr 2023, 17:56
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15 Apr 2023, 17:56#14
You can’t be serious to compare Flip vd Merwe with Eben??? Flip was strong but not a great Rugby brain…No comparison to Eben….and as for Bakkies being more the Enforcer, maybe in the Fights yeah, but in Rugby, not a chance : )
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Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
15 Apr 2023, 18:02
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15 Apr 2023, 18:02#15

Bakkies is the best enforcer I have ever seen. Next is Danie Rossouw. Nobody in the current Bok side has that level of physical presence. Wiese comes closest. Van Rensburg's massive solo ruck cleans and counter rucks were up there. RG would be the one man who I can say looked good enough to better Bakkies in that department, but his best rugby is very likely gone. 

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