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Wales 2015 vs Wales 2019

Started by Mozart18 REPLIES713 VIEWS· 29 Oct 2019, 23:41
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Oct 2019, 23:41
#1
29 Oct 2019, 23:41#1

Well supposedly we have made a lot of progress, so let's see.


Scores .....23 to 19  vs 19 to 16.......pretty similar.


Bok Metres  minus Wales Metres 247 vs 114.....huge advantage 2015


Kick,pass, run.....46/167/157 .....vs.....37/67/71 .....much higher pass/run % in 2015.


Possession and Territory 59% and 61% vs 39%and 38%.....much more dominant in 2015.


Clean breaks 6 vs 5....slight advantage 2015


Defenders beaten 20 vs 16 .....slight advantage 2015


Offloads 7 vs 2...big advantage 2015


Scrums won 4 of 4 vs 8 of 8....both perfect


Lineouts won 12 of 12 vs 5 of 6 .....advantage 2015.


Tackling success 90% vs 93% ....slight advantage 2019


......So where is this huge progress over our 2015 team. Compared to Eraser HM was expansive. The numbers don't lie.









sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
29 Oct 2019, 23:46
#2
29 Oct 2019, 23:46#2

It is not an apple with apple comparison of the Welsh teams

The 2019 edition had a winning sequence of around 16 games until the pre-world cup warm-up matches. They were also the current 6 nation champions. They entered the World Cup as number 1 in the world- perhaps the only time in the history of Welsh rugby...

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
29 Oct 2019, 23:53
#3
29 Oct 2019, 23:53#3
Injury plagued and robbed by the ref. Nah, Bokkies never change. Just more kicking in an even dumber way. 
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
29 Oct 2019, 23:58
#4
29 Oct 2019, 23:58#4
A team that was knocked out in the quarters, was good enough to beat the Poms. 
I have always thought English and Bok rugby was similar, with powerful forwards- with fewer options in the backline than say Australia or All Blacks- or even "sometimes" Wales. 
However Boks were just the better edition than England, and we typically had better outside backs to counter-attack
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
30 Oct 2019, 00:01
#5
30 Oct 2019, 00:01#5

Yep they were a good side in a pool of death. Ever had one of those? Didn't think so. Canada, Nambia, Italy and Japs and now you're on a roll hahahaha haha! Don't make me laugh! Beat a savaged Welsh team with the help of a ref... again... with a horrible ugly performance and now you're best in thr world. Pathetic. Easiest draw in history Ab you still look like crap what does that say eh?? 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2019, 00:04
#6
30 Oct 2019, 00:04#6

Well it's hard to say the competition is ever the same. In some ways I think the 2015 Welsh team was better, especially in the loosies. But believe what you wish.....that doesn't change the kick/pass/run proclivity....or the propensity to offload.

And to the extent you want to make that argument, I would say NZ in 2015 were much better than the NZ team we lost to by a much bigger margin in this WC.

 Somebody has to stand up for our 2015 team which was generally trashed while the 2019 team is lauded. To this point I see little to separate the two team's accomplishments. 


If we win on Saturday, obviously that changes.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
30 Oct 2019, 01:12
#7
30 Oct 2019, 01:12#7

What difference does it make? Is this some kind of gay club with different coaches favoured by different servile cretins ?? So much homo erotcism here. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2019, 01:50
#8
30 Oct 2019, 01:50#8

'Erotcism' .....sonny if you want to use big words at least get them right.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,246 posts
30 Oct 2019, 02:16
#9
30 Oct 2019, 02:16#9

Red Rosie is starting to rival Clevermike for spelling errors. 

Although, Red Rosie has said he works on a construction site during the day time, so I suppose so he can be paerdoned "sic"




MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2019, 04:46
#10
30 Oct 2019, 04:46#10

Ah well, Muck is so profound he was bound to spawn copycat posters.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2019, 05:51
#11
30 Oct 2019, 05:51#11

Shifty Schiff-Strzok

This guy is a total rugby imbecile and a liar to boot.   The same BS came up because the Springboks in 2015 lost all their matches  in the RC and in fact lost against Japan in the WC when Japan was the 15 ranked team in rugby.

The Springbok squad for the WC was totally bizarre and out of the 31 squad members 8 was unplayable on test level and the rest was played on a basis that they had to play in virtually every game because of the poor squad selection.

The coach was useless.  The players themselves decided to try a new approach since the Springboks were losing by minute 74 by 19-16 against the Welsh in 2015.   They decided to make a play that Meyer was unaware of  and would have forbidden them to use if he knew about it,  It worked when Du Preez scored a try and get them out of the losing position they were in 6 minutes before the end of the game.

Lets start with what happened in 2015 - as stated the Springboks were behind on the scoreboard in 2015 until minute 74 of the game,   They were never behind in the 2019 game.  The Welsh were behind in the game and on 2 occasions managed to draw level with the Springboks, but never leading in the game.

Aside from that the nincumpoop made a totally false claim that the Welsh team in 2015 was stronger than the 2019 team.   So lets look at what the situation was and what the real competitive basis was for dismissing the BS statement in this case:-

6-Nations 2015

Games played -  5

Won 4 - lost 1 

Point difference - + 53

Log position   -   3

Log points      -   8

Winner           -    Ireland

6-Nations 2019

Games played -  5

Won 5 - lost 0 

Point difference - + 49

Log position   -   1

Log points       -   10 (basis used in 2015)  present basis 23

Winner           -    Wales

This is nothing new - the liar brigade on site made the same claim when the Springboks lost all the RC games in 2015 with a negative point count of 23 and won two out of the three games  and drew the third one in 2019 with a positive point count of 51.   

The Springboks in 2015 after the Japan debacle was ranked 6 in the world.  They now fought their way back to no 2 after suffering a disastrous series of defeats and incompetent coaching by Meyer  and Coetzee, starting in 2014 and ending only in 2017.

How competent a coach was Meyer?  Just look at the situation at Stade Francais at present and you get the picture loud and clear.   As bad a coach as Meyer was in 2015 as good a coach Erasmus is in 2019.   

So another Idiot Speak input by SS-S.   Happy Distortion and Liars Day to you once again.            

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Oct 2019, 06:00
#12
30 Oct 2019, 06:00#12
Blah, blah, blah. Back to Wales 2015 vs 2019.....point out the progress.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 Oct 2019, 06:57
#13
30 Oct 2019, 06:57#13

Easy

Wales were ranked 5th in World Rugby in 2015 and at one stage ranked 1 in 2019.   That IS the difference.  They won all their 6-Nations games in 2019 and was a better team than they were in 2015.

Now if the Springboks win the Cup on Saturday a new angle is emerging - they may have won the cup - but is a shit coach and team anyway,  

Happy Idiots, Liars and Distortion day to you, 

 

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
31 Oct 2019, 01:06
#14
31 Oct 2019, 01:06#14

Hahahahaha!! Spaking of squealing like a sissy bitch here you are again! Its prerty simple Mikey... your game against the Welshies wasnt very good and pretty much everyone agrees about that. Everyone except you! Why is that?? 

@Sharky... Hahahaha!! Yeah my typing is shit and I dont have patience to get better at it. It is what it is! 

PS... I look much sexier and much more buff. Lookin good in my uniform. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
31 Oct 2019, 05:30
#15
31 Oct 2019, 05:30#15

Get it into your heads that it was the worse game of the WC and it was a woeful display by the Boks, disgusting as a matter of fact....still forking out excuses? ....then look at the pool game Boks vs Wales 2011 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Oct 2019, 05:38
#16
31 Oct 2019, 05:38#16

Spot on Denny, we all want to win....hell we are willing to accept a win that isn't the beautiful game. But when everybody watching the game is bored to tears we have lost the plot. Rugby is a sport and an entertainment, not life and death.

I actually think the Japanese game was worse than Wales. We couldn't translate total dominance into something positive....we had to outwrestle the overmatched Japanese team in front of  our gracious Japanese hosts.

 I hope we win the WC Saturday....but I also hope we play rugby.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
31 Oct 2019, 05:47
#17
31 Oct 2019, 05:47#17

 I hope we win the WC Saturday....but I also hope we play rugby.

Wishful thinking on the latter. 

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
31 Oct 2019, 05:51
#18
31 Oct 2019, 05:51#18

South Africa is not a nation serious about winning at the highest level.....not while they're quota counting, they not.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Oct 2019, 06:11
#19
31 Oct 2019, 06:11#19

"I hope we win the WC Saturday....but I also hope we play rugby."

Like they did in the semi in 2015?  LMAO   Du Preez to Burger - next possession Du Preez to Vermeulen - next possession Du Preez to Burger - next possession Du Preez to Vermeulen.  The two carried the ball 16 times for a meter gain of 16 meters,

Du Preez passed the ball 50 times of which only 15 went to the flyhalf.  The rest basically went to forwards.    

Was that RUGBY?     

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