Wales, Springbok Debutant Graveyard

I just saw that Hendrikse was included in the squad to replace Flab Malharbe after slipping on a Big Mac. He was only involved in one test this year against Wales, which was the only game he played. The good news is that the boks won, but it also wasn't polished performance. 

He's had some notable performances at Currie Cup and in the URC and proofing to be a clutch kicker that can kick penalty goals well beyond the half way line and under pressure and in poor conditions. He has broaden his positional play by starting at 15 this season, previously he played at 12 for the lions and then in recent games help the Sharks to two victories at 10. So he fits the mould of Willemse and Sasha, but his best position is probably 10. 

It made me think how many boks survived their debut or re-admission to the team when the played Wales. 

The Du Preez brothers played against Wales back in 2017 in the USA, but the boks lost. Rassie used this games to test players and put a scratch team together that never played together. On this occasion, not many survived. 

Robert Du Preez will probably never see a game again for the boks. The Creatine twins were invited to training camps but didn't feature either. 

Then we had another disaster playing Wales at home which we lost and the likes of Marcel Coetzee who I believed should have been picked to replace Francious Louw as he could cover all 3 positions and didn't put a foot wrong. Wilco Louw was another player that struggled to get a look in. 

For the end of year tour, Rassie has picked his strongest squad and I don't think he is going to mess with it too much as he wants to put a message across to the northern teams. Pity we are not playing Ireland and we could have made a run at the Grand Slam. 

But, my question, how many players failed in their test against Wales. Was Wales the right test for Rassie to throw them into the deep end? Wales 6 years ago were a tough team. Hard to break down and we beat them by one point. After the World Cup the collapsed and weren't the same team. Yet, we still manage to lose to them. 

The last game we played earlier this year at Twickenham was probably the weakest Welsh team we have played in a long time. So maybe Hendrikse go lucky. But so many other potential boks players were never looked at again. 

Did Rassie do them Justice, was it the right approach?

KC

In the above BS you conveniently left out Esterhuizen - who playd in the match agaionst Wales you match you tefer to and he was aserious flop as well.  He carried two balls during the match and then when tackled  he lost posssession of he balls and the as a result the Boks lost more terroty than what they had before the Esterhuizen ball  carries,    

Since then he playe some tests that year and was a flop when it came to defense especially.   Since that start he played in 17 other tests and had two real failures  basic failures other than he already proved as to defense -

*     he never scored a try in any of the 18 matches he played in since the tet against Wales you referred to; and

*    wa neve regarded as assisting scoring of a try. 

With the above in view Erasmus left him out of the 2019  RWC squad and when Kriel was injured and could be replaced Wrasmus called up Willemse and in his first test playing for he Springbks against Canada Willemse scored a rtry,  

By the way two if the test matches he played in against two very weak teams he ws defective as well,  In his firs and opnly match this year he was on the field of play for 2 minutes when he go red-carded and  after that got a 4 wak ban as a rsult.  So despite that extremely por record you keep n advocating that he should play ahead of  De Alende at 12 in tests,   

But then - as the ancient saying goes - in the world of the blind coc-eye is king.    That applies 100% to you.   not only the Du Preez brothers failed - he was used in tests by Erasmus and his perormances was on he same levl he shouwed in the Wales test   you refer to above.    Mediocre at best.   Esterhuizen is ggood enough n club and franchise levl but stepping up to test level he just did nit sow he could.  not prov o be invested in in future,   

You refer to the Du Preez brothers as creatine twins - but add Esterhuizen to that description - he is dumb muscle,     One thing noticeable is that  Esterhuizen is that he should in the first instance cover the  opposing 12 when the opposing side has ball possession - in at least two Sharks maches he did not  - he was loitering around as a sort of dummy wing and was hopeleesly out of position when the opposing sides attacked,

.          .               

Hehe, remember Warren Britz, the Natal flanker? Also played his only test against Wales .

Then we'd a player PDivvy said was the Tiger Woods of rugby ..............

I always thought he was a little on the light side for test rugby, MP, kinda predicted he was gonna fall short when he finally got selected. Didn't have a good debut test at all as I remember it .

190 will have Dave creaming his pants. All that PHYSICAL CLOUT.

Hard to believe he was 103kg but whatevs, long time ago and I'm not a good judge of weight anyway. Didn't seem much larger than the average back of the time.

Dr Allende is egardedas a good defedner - twice better than  Estrhuizen and watch th evideo about tries scored by the Springboks and see the cases where De Allende is involved in scoring of tries and score tries himself,

In other words he ia and remain a backline player that can recover opposition balls from breakdiwn situation as well - never omce saw Esterhuizen doing that.

That is why real rugby experts  wordwide and players like Pollard claim De Allende is the best inside center he ever played with..   But then our site experts see things otherwise and like Mozart refuse to see the positive things De Alende do in matches.    Any t eam in the world - ncluding the AB's wil love to have De Allende to play for them.  

Esterhuizn is a good franchise and club player - but has never been able to take up the step to international level,    Thta is why on test level he never scored a try after 19 appearances  and never assist in scoring of tries,   Thta is why Erasmus did not call him up for tthe 2019 WC and called up Willemse to replace Kriel in the 2019 RWC. 

Erasmus did  include  Esterhuizen in the 2023 RWC squad and used him in the  round robin tests againsts Tonga  and Georgia and he  did not score any tries or even assisted in scoing tries against those two weak teams.    His ball skills have always been questionable as well.

With due respect to or "site experts"  I rather prefer Erasmus player choices to theirs.                    

Ja, agree that quotas played a role too. Duhan van Der Merwe is the name that I'm most upset about. Mpimpi over Duhan. Have you seen the tries that he scored for Scotland against big teams. He was a baby bok but get left out because he is blonde and white. Mpimpi cost a quite a few games due to his poor defence. Good thing we lost against NZ in the pool stages and not in the final. He only looked good because the boks fed off turn over ball and he had a clear line. He has always been a great finishers and that is about it. It also explains Nina's defensive system, to push up as hard as you can that your 13 creates a dog leg. Most cases it works at the ball carrier doubts whether he should pass or not. However, we saw that teams just do a double pump and a good passer can weave the ball through. As for the All Blacks, they just stood deeper and got around Mpimpi easily. Even Kolbe got bulldozed a few times. I'm still amazed how Arendse can brigger players down. He to me is the exception and Kolbe has gotten so hard in his tackle. 

Esterhuizen was chosen as a fringe playr tortry and found ot whether he ccan fot ino the atackling backline famewok of Brown - he e chance he was goiiven he buggered up royally - so if he Springboks have a big enough lead over for instance Wales Esterhuizen to come from the bench - no real coach will give him a chance - but in te real worls he comes ina s third choice after De Allende and Willemse.   Always a good coach he waned t maeke sure players in he RWC will fit into the squad - but if Esterhuizen does not use he opportunities he ewill be given - he iwll  be send packing.    

I a always for givng players a cance to prove hemselves on test leel and thus far Esterhuixzen was neve a star perormer onm test level.- so if he gets a futher opportunity or 2 and he still produce a nothing burger he will not be in future squads,   At 30 years f age i do not see much chance of changing his performances  and playing style anyway. 

 Good thing we lost against NZ in the pool stages and not in the final. He only looked good because the boks fed off turn over ball and he had a clear line. He has always been a great finishers and that is about it. It also explains Nina's defensive system, to push up as hard as you can that your 13 creates a dog leakie 

That loss against the AB's in 2019 was largely he result of a viciously poor tackle attempt  by Mostert and for that effort he was left out of the starting line-up against stronger teams in the RWC.    

Amazigly on  the .issue of the AB's the new Zealand commentators said if the Springboks played the same rugby than they played against England they would have beaten the AB's as well. 

Funny enough  I also hink Erasmus made a mistake by not picking Duhan to play for the pringboks - but that is past history.

..        

Of the boks selected to play against Wales, did those boks get a fair shot?

Wilco Louw was hard done by, but he had to work his way back into bok contention and have not featured for nearly 5 years. 

Chilli the drug cheat was John Smit under study and over hyped

Dan Du Preez could feel hard done by. Has the physicality and could have started ahead of wee Kwagga at 8 for the boks. 

Ivan Van Zyl, had a few more games and now a journey man

Elton got some decent games but his pee pee let him down

Andre hardly got games in the last 5 years. 

Travis Imaiel nowhere man

Curwin Bosch just got worse as the years went by

Akker can feel hard done by, the anger warthog. Probably better than Bongi

Why did we had to endure Marvin Trie

Can't believe Noshe made the team when the Du Preez destroyed him

Embrose Paper another one that is playing well for the bulls but lost in the wilderness

Rob Du Preez had one test, played well for Sale, probably not top 3, but could have filled a role when we were down 10s 

I can't argue against Rassie for dropping most of these guys, but why were they capped in the first place. Such waste of caps

Dave 

That Washington game was arranged before Rassie became the coach and the Jine ests in 2018 was against England startin the Saturday after the Wahshibgton tests.    So Erasmus sent a team of newbies ad other players that never played for te Springboks before or fringe players of the past to play in the Washingto test with  Du Toit as captain.    That team  was at bsst a B team  nd some of the newbies failed horribly.   The fact is that virtually all the  newbies failed.   Despite that ten minutes before the end of the game  the Sprinboks were in the lead by 20-15. .    In the end the Welsh were  attacking and when the Springboks got a ball deep in their  22 the ball was passed to  Robert Du Preezz  standing behind the tryline  knocked on a perectly good pass to him.   From the resultat scrum  Wales scored a convered try nd on the test 22-20.   not a trainsmash,  

Two ntoable cases occurred Esterhuizen made to breaks an carry the ball well,   Howeve, a he end of te carries the Welsh got a trunover ball hen he was tackled in both cases and the springboks lost territory after both of he Esterhuizn carries.

.   .      

I gave Esterhuizen credit for towo fine breaks - but what happemned was he lost possession of the balls when tackled  and the Welsh counter-attacked and gained more territory than Esterhuizen did.    The loss of possession was Esteruizen fault - the fact that the Welsh gained more territory than Esterhuizn did was due to poor defense by other players,     

Bias about Esterhuisen

Ja, let's call attention to two Esterhuizen plays in that game:

43:08 - great defensive read rushing onto a Welsh player, forcing a poor panicked pass that is intercepted by Ishmael for the Boks first try.

58:15 - Boks on attack 5m out, Esterhuizen receives and carries, attacks the space between W10 and W13 and rides the tackle of Wales 10 just long enough to get Wales 13 to commit as well, which leaves only one Welshman out wide against Kriel and Mapimpi, with Mapimpi to score.

Two Esterhuizen plays, two tries.

Pakie - liar liar your ppants are on fire.   

Your  house is on fire in no case wa creied with a try assist and in ne case even your photo shoed that the ball wnt forward and the Welsh got it nd counterttacked.  In the her case there were no Springbok players to help him at the bradown and again the elsh got the ball at the breakdown - The second case pic  showed the tackler and two Welsh players who caused the possession turnver.   

The fact as to scoring by tries by SA reads as follows:-

#     Travis Ismaiel gave South Africa the perfect start to the second half, intercepting Amos' loose pass for the simplest of finishes.

#      With a man advantage, South Africa soon got their try. Dominance at the scrum gave the southern hemisphere side the perfect platform to get the ball wide to wing Makazole Mapimpi, who scored in the corner.

Try again none of the two incidents let to a tries scored by the Springboks - s try again.    In none of the tries mentioned did Esterhuizen name was mentioned  - he may have passed the ball as is mentioned but tha is not assisting in scoring a try.   

So try again nd stop writing BS on site.   

I

Try again none of the two incidents let to a tries scored by the Springboks

Let's see if you have the integrity and the balls to apologize.

2:49 in the video for the first incident.

4:50 for the second incident.

Both leading to tries.

our picures are pure shit  as it clash with the story youi came up with clsh with the intercept was you pic did not sho w nahing  the nature the report on the match I have seen and that came from a sports reporter who was at te match.   

If the two photos was of ny relevance in one the ball went stright through the body of one of the Welsh player,.    Then also I referred to two incidnts where Erasmus made two good breaks and then fucked up royally so keep it up you are inventing shit again.   I a studying stats at the tim and Esterhuizen ws  not credited with a assist in any tries scored.    .        

our picures are pure shit  as it clash with the story youi came up with clsh with the intercept was you pic did not sho w nahing  the nature the report on the match I have seen and that came from a sports reporter who was at te match.   

If the two photos was of ny relevance in one the ball went stright through the body of one of the Welsh player,.    Then also I referred to two incidnts where Erasmus made two good breaks and then fucked up royally so keep it up you are inventing shit again.   I a studying stats at the tim and Esterhuizen ws  not credited with a assist in any tries scored.    .        

our picures are pure shit  as it clash with the story youi came up with clsh with the intercept was you pic did not sho w nahing  the nature the report on the match I have seen and that came from a sports reporter who was at te match.   

If the two photos was of ny relevance in one the ball went stright through the body of one of the Welsh player,.    Then also I referred to two incidnts where Erasmus made two good breaks and then fucked up royally so keep it up you are inventing shit again.   I a studying stats at the tim and Esterhuizen ws  not credited with a assist in any tries scored.    .        

our picures are pure shit  as it clash with the story youi came up with clsh with the intercept was you pic did not sho w nahing  the nature the report on the match I have seen and that came from a sports reporter who was at te match.  

I show pciures what do not clash to the report but shw what actual hapen an are same picures as video what show what I say in deciption of the events as what ocur in the fact and not what are realy false as indcited by fotoage from the gmae but what are truth in what happnedd.. . ..