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Wallabies dominated by Waratahs and Brumbies

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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
23 May 2014, 09:56
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23 May 2014, 09:56#1

Wallabies dominated by Waratahs and Brumbies


Wallabies coach Ewen McKenzie has launched the 2014 France Tour with the announcement of a strong 32-man Australian squad, with 21 players coming from NSW and ACT.
The group will assemble at Sanctuary Cove on the Gold Coast on Sunday 1 June before competing against 2011 Rugby World Cup Finalists France in a three-game Test series for the Trophée des Bicentenaires.

Tickets are on sale for the France Tour, which begins at Suncorp Stadium in Brisbane on Saturday 7 June; travels through Etihad Stadium in Melbourne on Saturday 14 June; and concludes with a family-friendly Saturday afternoon encounter at Allianz Stadium in Sydney on 21 June.

In total the squad boasts 831 games of Test experience, has an average age of just under 26-years-old, and includes representatives from all five Australian Super Rugby provinces – NSW Waratahs (11), ACT Brumbies (10), Western Force (5), Queensland Reds (4) and Melbourne Rebels (2).

Following a year in which 12 players made their debut for the Wallabies, McKenzie’s initial squad for 2014 includes just four uncapped players in hooker Nathan Charles and locks Sam Carter, Luke Jones and Will Skelton.

A number of former Test representatives who missed squad selection in 2013 either through injury or non-selection have also earned a re-call, including prop Pek Cowan and backrowers Scott Higginbotham and Matt Hodgson.

For Hodgson and Cowan, their selection presents an opportunity to reignite their international careers after the pair played their last capped Test for Australia in 2011 against South Africa in Sydney.

“It’s pleasing to see the quality and depth we have coming through the Australian Rugby ranks at the moment and I’m confident the squad we’ve chosen can deliver the outcomes we are looking for throughout the June series,” McKenzie said.

“We’re beginning to create a strong and competitive selection environment, which unfortunately means that some quality players will miss out.

“The challenge for this group now is to build on our four most recent wins on the Spring Tour and ensure we continue to develop a winning culture.

“The last time an Australian team won five straight games was in 2008. That’s a six-year hoodoo we need to break and it will be our immediate short-term team goal.

“We’re also looking for players to contribute as much to the cultural piece off the field as they do with their performance on it.

“We don’t hide from the fact that we want to have the best Rugby program possible and to do that you need to have not just the best players but the best people.

“We are in the business of inspiration. Winning is not enough and it’s important that our journey captures the hearts and minds of the Australian public along the way.

“That’s the responsibility of each individual in the squad and we’re really looking forward to the opportunity to positively influence the Rugby landscape in Australia in June and throughout the rest of the year.”

McKenzie has also invited an additional four players to train with the Qantas Wallabies squad in the lead-up to their opening Test – wingers Henry Speight and Tom English, prop Paddy Ryan and lock Cadeyrn Neville.

Speight will not be available for selection during the France Tour but will be eligible to represent the Qantas Wallabies from 11 September, 2014.

McKenzie said, “The reality is we have more players performing well than we have space in our squad, so it’s important for the coaching staff that we have an opportunity to learn more about some of the players who haven’t had as much recent exposure to the national program.

“By adding four additional players to the group for the opening week we’ll get to learn more about some guys, while they get to experience a different environment and test themselves at the elite level.”

Players who have not been considered for selection due to injury include flanker David Pocock (knee), flyhalf Quade Cooper (shoulder), centre Kyle Godwin (knee), scrumhalf Luke Burgess (knee), and outside backs Joe Tomane (cheekbone), Chris Feauai-Sautia (hamstring) and Peter Betham (ankle).

Wallabies squad to play France: Ben Alexander, Pek Cowan, Sekope Kepu, Scott Sio, James Slipper, Nathan Charles, Stephen Moore, Tatafu Polota-Nau, Sam Carter, James Horwill, Luke Jones, Rob Simmons, Will Skelton, Scott Fardy, Scott Higginbotham, Matt Hodgson, Michael Hooper, Ben McCalman, Wycliff Palu, Will Genia, Nick Phipps, Nic White, Kurtley Beale, Bernard Foley, Tevita Kuridrani, Christian Leali’ifano, Matt Toomua, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Nick Cummins, Israel Folau, Rob Horne, Pat McCabe

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ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
23 May 2014, 10:10
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23 May 2014, 10:10#2
 No real surprize for this.They are indeed the two inform teams representing Australia.So picking players from inform teams is a.must for the Wallabies.Good to see Bernard Foley in the mix.Very under rated player but he is a class.act on a good day.Very gutsy individual.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
23 May 2014, 10:12
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23 May 2014, 10:12#3
with the saffas crying more then usual here, there has been very little said about the wallys and thier half decent looking team.

very happy to see the inclusion of nathan charles who is a surorise bolter and form loosies hodgson and mcalman, very wise selections there from mackenzie.

but it is the selection of NZ born will skelton which really has me nodding my head in approval.
i dont think ive seen an aussie lock dominate in such a physical manner the way skelton has, and the wallys have now finally got a good lock to replace sharpie who was the last half decent lock the wallys had.

NZ has jaws, SA has lady elizabeth (who is currently on maternal leave as he prepares to give birth to his first food babay), and now OZ has skelton.

skeltons cant play 80 minutes though, fitness is still a little lacking, but having him as an impact player would have tremendous benefits for the aussies team.

my wallaby team with the current squad named would be,,,

1 p cowan, 2 s moore, 3 b alexander

4 james horwill, 5 luke jones

6 scott higninbotham, 8 ben mccalman, 7 m hooper

9 n white, 10 m toomua

12 k beale, 13 t kurindrani

11 n cummins, 15 i folau, 14 AAC

16 t polotu nau, 17 s sio, 18 j slipper, 19 w skelton, 20 w palu, 21 w genia, 22 c leilafano, 23 p mccabe

very strong team, and i hope hasne is watching the wallab ies carefully, cos they are going to be the All Blacks most dangerous opponents in 2014.

the verstaility the wallys have with multiple players able to play in multiple positions is a real bonus.

have to say that despite rob hornes good form recently, i would have pikced plenty of others ahead of him, like joe tomane or  jason woodward, and FYI i didnt choose those two players cos they were both born in NZ,
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ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
23 May 2014, 10:20
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23 May 2014, 10:20#4
 Doesn't Henri Speight and Tomane have residency issues on representing the Wallabies?I am surprised not to see them in the mix.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
23 May 2014, 10:39
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23 May 2014, 10:39#5
@arizona,

tomane has already played for the wallabies a number of times, but injury might have played a roll in his non selection.

henry speight does have residency issues, but im pretty sure hes in the clear or close to it.
if he is eligible, then i would assume his nonselection is based on his lack of gametime in 2014. mackenzie has pretty much seleected a form team sqaud, and i gotta give the former prop his props with his selections which is hard to fault.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 May 2014, 12:45
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23 May 2014, 12:45#6
What utter rubbish Sushi..." they are going to be the All Black most dangerous opponents in 2014". Piffle. Here's why. The ABs and Oz play similar games...but the ABs dominate every aspect....kicking, running, passing, scrumming, fetching and lineout play. When you dominate an opponent on every variable, it's an accident when that opponent beats you.
Now introduce the Boks. The Boks dominate in kicking, mauling, lineout play and now scrumming. Those are enough points of advantage that,  if you can tilt the game so those aspects are dominant, you should win.
 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 May 2014, 12:49
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23 May 2014, 12:49#7
Agreed Sas, we will see Meyer cock the Bok selections up with the likes of Matfield at lock etc........watch this space
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 May 2014, 13:02
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23 May 2014, 13:02#8
Sounds like 2007 again Dave.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 May 2014, 13:08
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23 May 2014, 13:08#9
Moz it just grates the hell out of me when I see selections like these........Matfield back is just downright pathetic
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 May 2014, 13:20
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23 May 2014, 13:20#10
 What Meyer sees in Matfield is the best lineout forward in the world, one of the best kick off receivers, a superb offloader and a good link. Frankly I'm surprised he still ticks all those boxes, but he does. The downsides are grunt and probably stamina. 
So HM thinks...I scrum Matfield behind the loosehead, backed by Willenm Alberts at flank. That solves the scrums. And in the tight loose Alberts makes up for the grunt deficiency....and Victor  adds mobility to our big loosies. He also adds leadership and tactical smarts.  It's called balance and professionalism.
The notion that guys like Jake and HM are missing things readily apparent to posters on this Board is laughable. When Victor can no longer do the job, Ludecke and HM will be the first to know.
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sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
23 May 2014, 14:22
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23 May 2014, 14:22#11
In a review of 2012, Meyer said  the weakest areas were the rucks and backline attack. Both of these improved dramatically in 2013. 

Meyer review of 2013 performance,  he said that the weakest areas were lineouts and kickoffs. The lineouts against the All Blacks in SA was the worst lineout performance from the Boks in years, and the other matches were also poor.
SA teams score most of their tries from lineouts, and also get many kickable penalties from lineout drives.

If Matfield plays he will sort out the lineouts and kick offs. 

Stephanie is injured and Lood has potential to make the number 5 jersey his own, but can he be effective as Matfield- even the 37 year old Matfield in the lineouts.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 May 2014, 14:27
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23 May 2014, 14:27#12
Matfield's line-out work has not been any better than any other lock in SA this S15 and that is a fact, he offers absolutely nothing in general play and is a complete liability when it comes to the physicality required in the modern game.

Matfield has been a complete and utter flop since his return......the odd good moment, but for the most a complete non entity. He will play for the Boks and both Oz and NZ will beat us this year, for it wont only be old man Matfield in the side, he will be joined by a good few other old farts.
Jake was getting it wrong, his selections were poor and his side started loosing.......he changed that against the Saders and started winning again.

Meyer has no idea, he will pick washed up Matfield, come last in the RC and then wake up to the fact that a 37 year old should not be playing test rugby for the Boks when we have class young locks available.

How could anyone pick Matfield ahead of Etzebeth, Lood, PSDT, Willemse, Lewies and Jacques du Plessis......its insulting
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 May 2014, 15:01
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23 May 2014, 15:01#13
I guess for some of the same reasons the ABs picked Brad Thorne and won the RWC?
Yes, and for South African rugby the lineouts are the key attacking platform. They are totally critical that we dominate them. 
When the lineouts go well, it makes it easier to get the driving maul going forward with momentum. This allows tries to be scored when in the opposition 22. 
When outside the opposition 22, when the drives get momentum, the opposition will typically give away a penalty that might be in a kick-able position or concede allot of territory. 
Often our teams can get a penalty. Then kick for touch. Get a driving maul going, and then get another penalty. Either kick for touch or for poles- and it is points.
This is where the best lineout forward that has ever existed comes into play. 
The opposition SuperXV teams lineouts have been in dissaray when playing against Matfield. Rarely do they ever get clean takes and quality possesion on their own ball. 
So a good kicking for touch and territorial game will allways tilt to the team that Matfield plays for. 
I believe the Meyer is looking to dominate the territorial battle and play more of the time in the opposition half. This puts pressure on the opposition to attack from their own half where any mistakes can result in turnovers or penalties.
Look to have lots of set piece scrums and lineouts and not loose ball for the All Blacks to counter attack from in space.

If the Boks can dominate territory and lineouts, we have a very good chance of beating any team. Our long distance pole kicking is excellant. We gain more metres on touch finders, and if our lineout is dominating we win the territory battle. 
We can drive with mauls, and go wide when the defence is sucked in or through the middle. 
 Th question is what really are the activities that a lock should be involved in and how Matfield meets up with those:-
Line outs -  Matfield gets a pass markKicks ins  -  Really a minor concern since the ball is aimed by kickers to where the lesser able players are and try and avoid solid recipients - the effect is consequently relatively minimal.  Matfield has a pass markDefence  -   Matfield is relatively successful and get a pass markScrum support -  Matfield brings nothing to this component is is effectually a failureMauls -  Matfield brings nothing to this component is is effectually a failureDriving mauls -  This previously strong component in the Bulls game has virtually vanished since Matfield's return and he brings nothing to this component is is effectually a failure.
In this case the Tight 5 will be weakened considerably by the inclusion of Matfield, bearing in mind that -
*  kick in receipt have a minimal impact since the kicker can change tihe direction of kciks away from strong/good recipients;
*  line out turnovers is virtually non-existent even with Matfield around; and
*  that scrums, mauls and driving mauls are considerably weakened if the performance of the Bulls forwards since his return is borne in mind.
It is only the people with limited outlooks that shout and scream about the line out issue and the kick in ball receipt as if that is the only activities expected from a lock forward that shout and scream for Matfield's selection.   
incidentally Marfiekd calls line outs for the Bulls.  It has been noticed that when he is up against strong number 6's in other teams he rarely calls balls to be thrown to him - if he is up against weaker jumpers he calls the ball to be thrown to him.   Watch out what is going to happen this evening - it is bound to happen again.
Matfield is a player that should NOT be in any SA team.  There are many younger locks with keen all round abilities that would perform all the activities of locks and not only some and that would not fail us in line out play.   The second best line out performer is Stephan Lewies - not a player that anyone would punt for the Springbok selection at this stage of his career.  Lewies is better than Matfield in all other aspects of lock play as well.
Matfield will weaken the Springbok Tight 5 considerably and should not be anywhere near the team.  The locks should be Etzebeth, Van der Merwe and De Jager.                    
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