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Was Plumtree unlucky to lose Sharks coaching job

Started by Beeno13 REPLIES222 VIEWS· 18 Jun 2013, 12:17
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2013, 12:17
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18 Jun 2013, 12:17#1

Ex SA Rugby mag (Gary lemke)

I’ve never been a fan of changing the coach as a knee-jerk reaction to poor results and a trophy drought. Chelsea do it but Arsenal don't and I'm a fan of the way the Arsenal board operates. Arsene Wenger has gone eight years without silverware but remains a coach of the highest order and sends out a team who play with pride and energy.

John Plumtree is also a top coach, but – even if reports have been denied – one gets the impression he has ‘lost the dressing room’ and change was needed. There are many things that conspired against him, including a squad crippled by injury, but the signs were there (Were they indeed- everyone was saying last year that the Sharks were palying the best balanced rugby!!!). The Sharks were simply playing badly, looking devoid of ideas and appeared to be going through the motions.(Its what happens when players ar e injured (19) and lessor players take over - plus all the disruption to the team)

The 0-0 scoreline at half-time against the Stormers at the beginning of March was a result of turgid rugby and suggested both the Sharks and the Stormers needed to start looking within, at the coaching staff, for improvement. And then Jake White’s Brumbies arrived in Durban. They looked sensational for the first 40 minutes, running into a 25-3 lead on the way to a facile victory, but when the Kings fought back to draw 28-28 with the Brumbies three weeks later in Canberra, it showed what a side can achieve when well-coached and the spirit is high.

Then came Plumtree’s ‘rift’ with Ryan Kankowski and talk of a ‘Dutchmen’ element in the Sharks camp.

Plumtree this season has resembled John Mitchell at the Lions, desperate to turn the corner but unable to. When John Smit arrived, he had to make a statement as incoming CEO. That statement was to jettison Plumtree, someone he had played under.

I don’t pretend to know what has gone on within the walls of the Sharks dressing room, but I have seen enough from their season’s performances to know that all hasn’t been well in the camp. And when a coach ‘loses the dressing room' it’s no reflection on his character or ability. It’s just a sign that it’s his time to move on.

DUNCAN: NO

John Plumtree has been one of the key role-players behind the Sharks’ growth in recent years. While they have disappointed in this season’s Super Rugby campaign, one shouldn’t overlook the progress they have made since Plumtree’s appointment in 2008. Under the Kiwi coach, the Sharks claimed Currie Cup triumphs in 2008 and 2010, and qualified for three consecutive major finals (2011 Currie Cup, 2012 Super Rugby and 2012 Currie Cup).

The Sharks were touted as South Africa’s best bet for the 2013 Super Rugby title, and could have lived up to that billing with a full-strength squad (Please note spoony!!). However, they lost several key players to injury, including Frans Steyn, Bismarck du Plessis, Beast Mtawarira, Anton Bresler, Willem Alberts, Jean Deysel, Tim Whitehead, Paul Jordaan, Lwazi Mvovo, JP Pietersen and Cobus Reinach. With so many experienced players across important positions unavailable for selection, it’s no surprise they have struggled.(How can one not agree!!!plus being robbed in nz of a couple of matches that would have made all the difference)

The Sharks' new regime is exciting and will help to freshen things up at the union, but why not hold on to a coach who already has a relationship with the squad? Yes, there seems to have been a fallout between Plumtree and Ryan Kankowski, but there’s no clear evidence that he has 'lost the dressing room'.

With John Smit as CEO and Brendan Venter as director of rugby, Plumtree (who won the 2012 SA Coach of the Year award) could have been the settled member who helped take the Sharks to new heights (Was it really necessary for him to leave?).  After all, the Sharks don’t need to reinvent the wheel – they’ve made enough exciting changes that will help create a strong platform from which the team can start winning trophies consistently. With a new coach soon to be named, expect talk of a ‘rebuilding phase’, which could last a couple of years.

Three comments made so far in response:

It is really heart breaking the fact that John Plumtree got the red card as the coach of our team. Look how many new and young players there are in team. Well, somewhere out there a team is awaiting a successful coach. John Plumtree, you will always be the best. It is true what they say and the Sharks union WILL experience it, "You don't miss somebody until you lost him". Thanks on behalf of all our Cape Town Sharks supporters for what you did for the union and the team. Besides the two currie cups (2008 &2010), we will always treasure last years super series where you got the team from 6th position into the final after all the traveling between SA and Australisia.  

  • For me its a no-brainer. They definitely should not have sacked him. Its fine and well if you do give him the chop ONLY if you bring in a better coach and my guess is that Jake White, Dave Rennie and Warren Galtand are all unavailable for the foreseeable future so what are you going to do now Sharks rugby Don't take it too badly John. You are married to a South African girl....and that is a plus! Go away, have a break and come back refreshed. There will be something out there for a man of your many and obvious talents.

I am not at all certain that it was fair to give Plumtree the boot.  He was 2012 SA Coach of the year. He suffers outrageous fortunes re injuries and then gets the boot.  With a full strength squad that he had built up theSharks might well have won the Super 15 comp - only a full strength Stormers side would have been better?

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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
18 Jun 2013, 13:05
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18 Jun 2013, 13:05#2
Beeno, I also think that was a big mistake from the Sharks to fire the Man. They just forgot what Plumtree has done for the club. Plumtree's out-bust with Kankan and Frans Steyn was because these guys did not pull their weight when required to; the fitness of both players was and is still poor, to say the least. Of all the coaches who have fumbled in their business, Plumtree was the guy who deserved a second chance. This actually might backfire, blow up in their faces. Venter would have to get use to the players, introduce his style of play, and the lit goes on. Its unrealistic IMO
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2013, 13:35
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18 Jun 2013, 13:35#3

Ntanga I have said for many years that Venter is a fine coach and I do beleive he will do the Sharks good. Maybe it was felt having him as Director of Rugby and Plumtree as coach of the Sharks would not work.

In any event Plum did well and it was very unfortunate for him that just when the Sharks were looking really good he was blown out of the water by injuries. If the Sharks had been sitting top of the log or thereabouts - as I believe they would have barring injuries and bent nz refs  - I seriously doubt there would have been any question of him being dismissed. 

 

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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
18 Jun 2013, 15:49
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18 Jun 2013, 15:49#4
No Plum and no alcohol at the Shark Tank .... horrible times ahead
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