Wayde van Niekerk no Michael Johnson

Sure he is a superb runner, and a worthy WR holder in the 400 metres. But he isn't going to go much faster in the 200.....he isn't a power sprinter type. Johnson was. If anything Wayde looks more like a rare 400/800 metres type....he holds his pace well over longer distances. .. It was a great effort, the defining challenge of the Worlds this time around and so nearly successful. But face it the winning time is slower than the guys were running 50 years ago. This was a very poor 200 metres field and if Wayde never made it this time, the signs aren't good. .. He is a perfect 400 metres runner, his quest for the 200 is going to end in frustration and perhaps negate his full potential in the 400.

 Omg Go away This post is utter trash The guy is only 25 Give it a break mix If he was 47, you'd play a different tune

I know it doesn't seem possible, but it looks like Moffie knows even less about athletics than he knows about rugby!
You go Wayde! The double will come. The only human being to run under 10 seconds in the 100m, under 20 seconds in the 200m and under 44 seconds in the 400m.

 Johnson brought the record down to 19,32 in 1996,breaking the old 19,72 set 17 years prior.
Bolt has now on 19,19 that's gonna last a long time.

Talk about a complete inability to see the obvious....it was a low quality 200 metres. Wade lucked into the poorest 200 metres field for at least 10 years and couldn't make it happen. At 25 he isn't going to go any faster....live with it. .. He should remain a 400 metres specialist.

1 19.19 -0.3 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Berlin 20.08.2009 2 19.26 +0.7 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 1 Bruxelles 16.09.2011 3 19.30 -0.9 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Beijing 20.08.2008 4 19.32 +0.4 Michael Johnson USA 13.09.67 1 Atlanta 01.08.1996 4 19.32 +0.4 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 London 09.08.2012 6 19.40 +0.8 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Daegu 03.09.2011 7 19.44 +0.4 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 2 London 09.08.2012 8 19.53 +0.7 Walter Dix USA 31.01.86 2 Bruxelles 16.09.2011 9 19.54 ±0.0 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 1 Bruxelles 07.09.2012 10 19.55 -0.1 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Beijing 27.08.2015 11 19.56 -0.8 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Kingston 01.05.2010 12 19.57 ±0.0 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Bruxelles 04.09.2009 12 19.57 +0.4 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 1 Eugene 28.06.2015 14 19.58 +1.3 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 New York City 30.05.2009 14 19.58 +1.4 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1rA Lausanne 23.08.2012 16 19.59 -0.9 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1rA Lausanne 07.07.2009 17 19.62 -0.3 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 Indianapolis 24.06.2007 18 19.63 +0.4 Xavier Carter USA 08.12.85 1 Lausanne 11.07.2006 18 19.63 -0.9 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Lausanne 02.09.2008 20 19.65 ±0.0 Wallace Spearmon USA 24.12.84 1 Daegu 28.09.2006 21 19.66 +1.7 Michael Johnson USA 13.09.67 1 Atlanta 23.06.1996 21 19.66 ±0.0 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Zürich 30.08.2012 21 19.66 ±0.0 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Moskva 17.08.2013 24 19.67 -0.5 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Athínai 13.07.2008 25 19.68 +0.4 Frank Fredericks NAM 02.10.67 2 Atlanta 01.08.1996 25 19.68 -0.1 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 Stuttgart 10.09.2006 25 19.68 -0.3 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Thessaloníki 13.09.2009 25 19.68 -0.5 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 1 Monaco 18.07.2014 25 19.68 +0.9 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 1 Eugene 30.05.2015 30 19.69 +0.9 Walter Dix USA 31.01.86 1 Gainesville 26.05.2007 31 19.70 +0.4 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 2 Lausanne 11.07.2006 31 19.70 +0.8 Walter Dix USA 31.01.86 2 Daegu 03.09.2011 33 19.71A +1.8 Michael Johnson USA 13.09.67 1 Pietersburg 18.03.2000 33 19.71 ±0.0 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 1 Bruxelles 05.09.2014 35 19.72A +1.8 Pietro Mennea ITA 28.06.52 1 Ciudad de México 12.09.1979 35 19.72 +1.8 Walter Dix USA 31.01.86 1 Eugene 03.07.2010 35 19.72 +0.1 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 Monaco 22.07.2010 38 19.73 -0.2 Michael Marsh USA 04.08.67 1s1 Barcelona 05.08.1992 38 19.73 +0.2 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Saint-Denis 06.07.2013 40 19.74 -0.1 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 2 Beijing 27.08.2015 40 19.74 +1.4 LaShawn Merritt USA 27.06.86 1s3 Eugene 08.07.2016 42 19.75 +1.5 Carl Lewis USA 01.07.61 1 Indianapolis 19.06.1983 42 19.75 +1.7 Joe DeLoach USA 05.06.67 1 Seoul 28.09.1988 42 19.75 +0.2 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Kingston 24.06.2007 42 19.75 +1.6 Justin Gatlin USA 10.02.82 1 Eugene 09.07.2016 46 19.76 -0.8 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 Osaka 30.08.2007 46 19.76 -0.4 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 London 26.07.2008 46 19.76 -0.8 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Shanghai 23.05.2010 46 19.76 +1.8 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 2 Eugene 03.07.2010 50 19.77 +0.6 Michael Johnson USA 13.09.67 1 Stockholm 08.07.1996 50 19.77 +0.7 Ato Boldon TTO 30.12.73 1rA Stuttgart 13.07.1997 50 19.77 ±0.0 Isaac Makwala BOT 29.09.86 1 Madrid 14.07.2017 53 19.78 ±0.0 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 Lausanne 10.07.2007 53 19.78 +0.1 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 2 Monaco 22.07.2010 53 19.78 +0.9 LaShawn Merritt USA 27.06.86 1rA Nassau 16.04.2016 53 19.78 -0.3 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1s2 Rio de Janeiro 17.08.2016 53 19.78 -0.5 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Rio de Janeiro 18.08.2016 58 19.79 +1.7 Carl Lewis USA 01.07.61 2 Seoul 28.09.1988 58 19.79 +1.0 Michael Johnson USA 13.09.67 1 New Orleans 28.06.1992 58 19.79 +0.5 Michael Johnson USA 13.09.67 1 Göteborg 11.08.1995 58 19.79 +1.2 Shawn Crawford USA 14.01.78 1 Athínai 26.08.2004 58 19.79 +0.2 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 Bruxelles 25.08.2006 58 19.79 +0.4 Wallace Spearmon USA 24.12.84 1 Zürich 19.08.2010 58 19.79 +1.7 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1rA Oslo 13.06.2013 58 19.79 +0.9 Warren Weir JAM 31.10.89 1 Kingston 23.06.2013 58 19.79 ±0.0 Warren Weir JAM 31.10.89 2 Moskva 17.08.2013 58 19.79 +1.6 LaShawn Merritt USA 27.06.86 2 Eugene 09.07.2016 68 19.80 -0.9 Carl Lewis USA 01.07.61 1 Los Angeles 08.08.1984 68 19.80 +0.4 Ato Boldon TTO 30.12.73 3 Atlanta 01.08.1996 68 19.80 +0.8 Christophe Lemaitre FRA 11.06.90 3 Daegu 03.09.2011 68 19.80 -0.5 Yohan Blake JAM 26.12.89 1 Kingston 01.07.2012 68 19.80 +2.0 Rasheed Dwyer JAM 29.01.89 1s1 Toronto 23.07.2015 68 19.80 -0.3 Andre De Grasse CAN 10.11.94 2s2 Rio de Janeiro 17.08.2016 74 19.81 +0.3 Frank Fredericks NAM 02.10.67 1 Fukuoka 13.09.1997 74 19.81 -0.3 Alonso Edward PAN 08.12.89 2 Berlin 20.08.2009 74 19.81 +0.4 Churandy Martina NED 03.07.84 1 Lausanne 25.08.2016 77 19.82A +2.0 Carl Lewis USA 01.07.61 1 Sestriere 11.08.1988 77 19.82 +1.1 Frank Fredericks NAM 02.10.67 1 Oslo 05.07.1996 77 19.82 +1.6 Ato Boldon TTO 30.12.73 1rA Stockholm 07.07.1997 77 19.82 +1.3 Wallace Spearmon USA 24.12.84 1 New York City 02.06.2007 77 19.82 -0.2 Warren Weir JAM 31.10.89 1 New York City 14.06.2014 82 19.83A +0.9 Tommie Smith USA 12.06.44 1 Ciudad de México 16.10.1968 82 19.83 +1.7 Michael Johnson USA 13.09.67 1 Atlanta 18.05.1996 82 19.83 +0.3 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 1 Ostrava 12.06.2008 82 19.83 -0.5 Usain Bolt JAM 21.08.86 2 Kingston 01.07.2012 86 19.84 +0.2 Carl Lewis USA 01.07.61 1q3 Los Angeles 19.06.1984 86 19.84 +1.7 Francis Obikwelu NGR 22.11.78 1s2 Sevilla 25.08.1999 86 19.84 +0.2 Tyson Gay USA 09.08.82 1 London 28.07.2006 86 19.84 +0.4 Warren Weir JAM 31.10.89 3 London 09.08.2012 86 19.84 +1.2 Alonso Edward PAN 08.12.89 1 Lausanne 03.07.2014 86 19.84 +1.2 Wayde van Niekerk RSA 15.07.92 1 Kingston 10.06.2017 ....... Hell Frankie Fredericks ran 19.68. At 19.84 Wade has only the 86th fastest 200 metre time in history.....but he is the fastest 400 metres runner. That's where he should focus.

 Van Niekerk is way too young to be rated by the age maniac.    It was Bolt who in an interview said that Van Niekerk is his successor is a top rated athlete - yet Mozart has an opposing view.   Who should we believe - the age maniac or the top athlete?    

 He doesn't want to upset Ans Botha....

Okay let's use Bolt. When he was 22 he ran 19.3.....a year later he ran 19.19. Since then he hasn't come close to those numbers. Now we have Wade who at 25 has run 19.85 and there is an expectation he could match Bolt and become the 200 metres king?Laughably stupid.

Wehe . . . Wayde van Niekerk misses gold in the final of the IAAF World Championships by 2 hundredths of a second and Dumbo the Clown here reckons he'll never amount to much in the 200m!
LMAO!

Also, I wonder if the doddering old fool realizes that the Bolt example that he's using here is destroying the hilarious "old-guys-are-better" myth he's been building up so carefully for the last few years?

 Moz I know f'all about track but I did see an interview with Wayde where he was talking about the amount of races he's had to run over a short period of time in this competition. He seemed to be concerned that he wasn't gonna do well in the 200m as a result. 
No idea how many races one should run or how much affect it has though, so.

Wayde is definitely no Michael Johnson . . . and thank goodness for that!
Apart from the fact that Wayde beats Johnson hands down in the 100m, 300m and 400m, Wayde also takes his losses like a man. He finishes his races, celebrates whatever medal he wins and congratulates his oppononet. 
In stark contrast Michael Johnson was a sore loser who always faked an injury whenever it looked like he might get beaten and stormed off the track like a spoilt child. He hasn't got a single silver or bronze medal in major events and that's not because he always won, it's because he couldn't handle getting beaten and would always clutch his hamstring and pull up when he realized he was going to lose.
He was also so full of himself that he even wore those ridiculous golden boots at that one Olympics. Man, I wonder if he realized how stupid he looked? Don't think I've ever seen Wayde showboating or acting like a big-shot. He's a humble and grounded young man.
Thank goodness he's no Michael Johnson!

Plum this was the weakest 200 field for a long time....none of the 100 metres finalists even ran best I can recall. Sure he was tired, but if he is going to run the 200/400 he will always be juggling the races.

Johnson was always a 200/400 metre runner...nobody ran the 300. So what are the relevant numbers: 200....Johnson 19.32/ Wade 19.84 .. 400 ...Johnson 43.18/ Wade 43.03 ... Combined Johnson 52.50/ Wade 52.87 .. For the moment MJ remains the king...case closed.

 Combined my arse, Wade's got the WR....GSM!

 The important thing here is that Michael Johnson's long standing record was broken by van Niekerk.

Yes and Michael Johnson held the world 400 metres record for 17 years and the world 200 metres record for 12 years....in fact he was the record holder in both from1999 to 2008. And his 200 is better than Wade's by a greater margin than Wade beat his 400 WR. ... This discussion started with a speculation that van Niekerk is not going to be nearly as dominant at 200 metres and the effort involved could detract from his 400 performance. But apparently that's disloyal....it's the same old trait that doesn't tolerate any objective analysis of our sportsmen....parochial bias which ends badly.

 There's nothing disloyal in your argument as far as I'm concerned, MJ was the better runner over those distances, already Wayde has come out and said he's going to give the 200/400 a miss and will be attempting the 100/200 instead. UrineRooi is being his normal self with his hate of Americans.

Hell I expect that from the human Urinal, and old Tokkie isn't the sharpest pencil in the box. Still the inability to debate without insults is telling....look at Chip-ou's first response. Poor bugger just hasn't evolved.

 All the athletes mentioned are great.
They are a lot faster than any of us.
Now the SA guy (van Niekerk) would have been unplaced in the 200 final if Bolt and the Canadian guy was fit to run.
So we can always justify our argument but in fairness to run in the heats for the 400 and 200 and after all that still, produce a top performance is difficult.
Proud to see the SA athletes performing well, plus winning numerous medals and quite a few made it to their specific final.
Canada spends millions and millions of dollars supporting the athletes and as usual, they seldom get the medals. 
It is actually painful to watch the Olympics or World champs on Canadian TV.They spend precious minutes building up the athletes and when they partake in their particular events they fall flat and the excuses roll in.
Remember guys van Niekerk holds the world record and is the Olympic champion more than what most if not all of us ever achieved.
Trust he continues to amaze us with his athletic ability for many years.    

Here we have the same BS as per normal with Mozart.
Van Niekerk lost the 200 meter race by 1thousands of a second and he has now found something to attack the guy with.   This from a guy who constantly attack SA sportsmen whom he thinks is too young for his liking.   Anybody coming up with this type of BS is totally deranged and totally ignorant of every sports code he sputters on about.   
 

Here we have the same BS as per normal with Mozart.
Van Niekerk lost the 200 meter race by 1thousands of a second and he has now found something to attack the guy with.   This from a guy who constantly attack SA sportsmen whom he thinks is too young for his liking.   Anybody coming up with this type of BS is totally deranged and totally ignorant of every sports code he sputters on about.   
 

 Don't lose any sleep now......

 Lol Van Niekerk is no where Bolt. And never we'll be.

 At least Bolt knows the significance of the 400m WR. Moz, I get what youre saying, but not being great in both items takes nothing away from the 400m greatness.

 The age maniac said elsewhere that a thirty-five year old is the fastest man in the world - not story about the weakness of the field.   This is typical of the age-0maniac - he is beyond redemption.  

 The age maniac said elsewhere that a thirty-five year old is the fastest man in the world - not story about the weakness of the field.   This is typical of the age-0maniac - he is beyond redemption.  

Hmmm, fuggit!!! I see the original post contains the following phrases....

"....worthy WR holder in the 400 metres."

"It was a great effort, the defining challenge of the Worlds this time around and so nearly successful."

"He is a perfect 400 metres runner"

But the resulting "debate" quite clearly indicates that the majority of the posters on here have difficulty in reading the most simple phrases. And then they want to give themselves out to be intellectual giants.

Just a tip... Learn to read first... You can start here

A thirty five was the fastest man in the world in a strong field....but that was in the 100 metres Tokkie. Oops.....hahaha. .. Truth I'm afraid old style comprehension tests would be a disaster for some on the Board, but thanks for making the point.

 Strong field?  Which strong field are you talking of BSter?   Because the retiring Bolt was in the race does not mean it was a strong field - and the time of the race was slow as well.   

Pervert three out of the six fastest 100 metres runners of all time were in the race.....zero out of the top 14 fastest 200 metres runners of all time were in the 200. .. Can you spot the difference....but give yourself a thrill, make Wade your Avatar while Stephanie is on the bench.

  Faggot
It was cp0m[artove3;u the slowest for years and as per normal you are the complete idiot.   Bolt retired because he realized that continuing would ruin his  reputation - and even the winner was slower than he was in previous years.
Can you ever see anything beyond reputation?                                

Wayde Van Niekerk broke Johnson's 400m world record that was expected not to be broken for ages. So at 400m he is the better of the two. At 200m, Johnson was the better athlete, although Wayde has only now started to try and specialize in that event. Still the accolades must go to Johnson. It is very difficult to say who is/was the better athlete, because the strength of competition was vastly different, the quality and availability of training resources and a number of other variable factors that can sway the argument. Wayde still has time to improve and the record books may well look different by the end of his career. They are/were great in different era's and it is impossible to say what would have happened had they raced together. 

Well, it's easier to compare different eras in athletics than it is to compare rugby players, cricketers or footballers from different eras. At least with athletics you can work on the times of the runners . . . and right now it's 3-1 to Wayde van Niekerk. He beats Michael Johnson in the 100m, 300m and 400m. It's just the 200m where Johnson still has an edge.

The other important difference as I said further up the thread is that Wayde is a humble guy who is always gracious in defeat or victory while Michael Johnson was a big-headed twat who faked an injury every time he saw he might lose.

 Klop, well said .

Add their best times for both races and Johnson wiins by almost half a second......add the years they have held a world record Johnson beats Wade by 29 to 1. Wade is a nice chap for sure, but as an athlete he has a long way to go to match Johnson's achievements.

 
Johnson was great ... his record remained as the best ever for many a year ... and then it was broken ... by a man that just so happen to be quicker over the same distance.

Not sure what all the fuss is about but from where I'm sitting the quicker time belongs to the better athlete ... and that athlete is Wayde van Niekerk.

The quicker athlete.....not over the 200 metres is what the'fuss is about'.

 
Then perhaps you should have titled your thread "Wayde van Niekerk no Michael Johnson over 200m.

You didn't and so once again you end up made a tottie of yourself.

Wrong again Turncoat....Michael Johnson is known in athletic circles for his ability in both races....200 and 400. Wade van Niekerk is trying to do the double. To anybody who has followed athletics the meaning is perfectly clear. What is stupid is your trying to start yet another spat when you are so bad at it.