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We are missing a Flip Flop/Willemse type

Started by Mozart25 REPLIES501 VIEWS· 29 Aug 2014, 16:50
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Aug 2014, 16:50
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29 Aug 2014, 16:50#1

Having the tall, willowy Lomp behind the tighthead undoubtedly hurt our scrums. We did better last year on the YE tour with Eben and Flip......one of whom is powerful and rangy and the other a block of cement. Two rangy types didn't work. HM missed a trick here....Willemse was the man to lock the scrums with Etzebeth in Bargieland.

 

South African scrums do better when we have a combination....Andrews and Otto being an example.

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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
29 Aug 2014, 17:07
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29 Aug 2014, 17:07#2
 i totally agree. he gives us so much raw power most teams cant handle it. also a proven [erformer against new zealand. i still think lood will have a future but flip is the now man.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Aug 2014, 17:27
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29 Aug 2014, 17:27#3

Yeah old Lood is a real lightweight at 125kg......keep trying lads.

 

We have Eztebeth who should be behind the tighthead.

 

Seems we had no issue last week when Malherbe was at 3

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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
29 Aug 2014, 17:30
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29 Aug 2014, 17:30#4
 seems... to who? only you? hhahahaha and mika.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Aug 2014, 17:33
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29 Aug 2014, 17:33#5
 Mozart
Whjat you are really missing is a knowl;edge of rugby and learning to get over your prejudice. and accept that what we do not need is the physical-deficient Matfield.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Aug 2014, 17:33
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29 Aug 2014, 17:33#6
 Mozart
Whjat you are really missing is a knowl;edge of rugby and learning to get over your prejudice. and accept that what we do not need is the physical-deficient Matfield.  
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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
29 Aug 2014, 17:36
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29 Aug 2014, 17:36#7
 "Whjat you are really missing is a knowl;edge of rugby"

so sayeth mika...


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Aug 2014, 17:40
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29 Aug 2014, 17:40#8
Malherbe 7 scrums...6 belly flops. And these fools have bought a casual remark from some 25 year old reporter, who isn't aware of the facts. The willingness to be sheep always amazes me. Lemmings over the cliff.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Aug 2014, 17:46
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29 Aug 2014, 17:46#9
 Mozart
Jannie in full flight backwards in every scrum on Saturday and that is a fact.  Your facts are screwed up BS.
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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
29 Aug 2014, 17:49
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29 Aug 2014, 17:49#10
 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
29 Aug 2014, 18:30
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29 Aug 2014, 18:30#11

Still waiting for your insightful take on how you conclude that Malherbe was responsible for both frontrows hitting the deck at the sametime......apart from the obvious prejudicial answer.....just provide some real evidence as this has to be one of the jokes of the year.

 

And while you are at it, do you still think fat Steenkamp is worthy?   

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Aug 2014, 19:40
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29 Aug 2014, 19:40#12
 Mozart
You simply love th card - givers - no don't you.?   All the rot that you supports are detrmental to the Springbok team - what a joke you are.   
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kingcornPro3,695 posts
29 Aug 2014, 19:54
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29 Aug 2014, 19:54#13
Yes we do need a powerfull scrummaging lock, but both Flop and Willemse are penalty machines and have real problem with discipline.  How many yellow cards have Flop not received over the last two years for the boks. No thank you, Willemse is another dirty player. Look at how teams try to wind up Etzebeth and it often works. They'll do the same to Flop and Willlemse. 
If Alberts was fit I would move him to 4. He did really well for the sharks there and not to mention how powerful the sharks pack was with him in the engine room. Might not have the height, but at 1.94 cm and 120 kg. Not bad for a lock. 
Just put Etzebeth at 5 with Alberts at 4. We will have no problem at scrum. I would also put Juan Smit (If fit and not to emotional) at 7 behind the tighthead. Gives us that extra line out option as well as some power. 
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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
29 Aug 2014, 20:31
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29 Aug 2014, 20:31#14
 flip is not a penalty machine! god thsts such a damn myth. our playets who concede lots of penalties are bissie, louw, jannie.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Aug 2014, 11:44
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30 Aug 2014, 11:44#15
 Lood a young guy is 125 kg. Willemse is 127kg. Little in it.Physical stats between Etzebeth and Lood very similarWillemse is less mobile but yes he should be tried.Lood is very good so no worries about him. Ditto Malherbe who never went backwards and showed his pedigree.
What is not being acknowledged is:The Argies were consistently scrumming in at angles. Walsh should have penalised the Argies.Once Beast, Malhebe and Strauss came on the the scrums were fine.Lood was on for 80 minutes. 
Malherbe is a huge loss. However our scrum should still be fine.



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Aug 2014, 23:36
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30 Aug 2014, 23:36#16
Malherbe is a huge loss...sometimes I think we have had a sudden IQ drop on this Board.
Lood and Malherbe are well below RC standards 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 02:21
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31 Aug 2014, 02:21#17
 Mozart
If they are so is Gurthro, Bakkies, Morne  and most of the other over 30's playing club rugby.  They are way above the club rugby players - especially those who are regular bench players for their clubs/  
They are also better than 10 minute Alberts, 15 minute Jannie and the physically deficient Matfield.

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
31 Aug 2014, 03:08
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31 Aug 2014, 03:08#18
 


clevermike

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August 31, 2014, 00:21:56  Mozart
If they are so is Gurthro, Bakkies, Morne  and most of the other over 30's playing club rugby.  They are way above the club rugby players - especially those who are regular bench players for their clubs/  
They are also better than 10 minute Alberts, 15 minute Jannie and the physically deficient Matfield.
You mean like Glaasen?

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Aug 2014, 11:27
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31 Aug 2014, 11:27#19
 Malherbe is better than any second choice kiwi tight head and only retallick is in the same league as lood when it comes to kiwi locks.
Both are class acts with lood being one of the best locks in the game having proved that this s15. He is better than bakkies or matfield at the same age.
There is a good reason both are playing test match rugby which says alot about your analysis of players, these 2 in particular.
I mean cilliers as your tight head the guy who got smashed by greyling yesterday
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 13:49
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31 Aug 2014, 13:49#20
Bonzo the Apemoron
How many cards did Flippie collect over the last 8 months?
As far as I can remember a  yellow in the Ellis Park test,  A yellow  plus a three week ban in May in Super 15.  And a yellow in the second Welsh test.   That plus numerous ordinary penalties shows a player with no idea about the rules of rugby.   
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 13:51
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31 Aug 2014, 13:51#21
 Zeromoron
You poost that pic because you love to eat snot?  Surely it must be  your ideal and  meet your basic requirement.
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Gonzo the GreatClub Pro560 posts
31 Aug 2014, 14:30
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31 Aug 2014, 14:30#22
 its you mika! hahahaha!

and yur post on flip is totally unintelligible. its like you smeared your face along the keyboard in fury to write that gobbly-gook. damn!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 15:38
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31 Aug 2014, 15:38#23
Bonzo  
Thanks for pointing out the typing errors - I corrected same - now answer the statement moron.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Aug 2014, 15:48
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31 Aug 2014, 15:48#24
There you go Dave you can't quite let go of Greyling. Greyling vs Malherbe would be a red letter day for you....finally one of your prop choices would win a contest. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 16:01
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31 Aug 2014, 16:01#25
 Mozart
Your recent prop selection was Cilliers - making a fool of yourself again.  Cilliers was treated by Greyling - himself not a top prop - like he was cardboard in the gme yesterday - after being humiliiated a week ago as well.
Your problem is predudice ag ainst Malherbe - hence your silliness insuggesting Cilliers as a prop.   It happens time and time again - when are you going to stop this type of silliness?
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
04 Sept 2014, 14:49
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04 Sept 2014, 14:49#26
 
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