BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
21 Nov 2017, 12:43#3
DA it is very bad for the game all this wee ab cheating and then the refs condoning it.
i had hoped JW would have stepped up to the plate and apologiz ed on behalf of the kbbs!

sharkbok
Captain23,257 posts

sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
21 Nov 2017, 13:25#4
If I have one criticism of the All Blacks- it is cynical fouls that stop opposition building momentum. It is unsporting conduct. Mccaw was the worst, but Reid is getting worse by the day. It is clearly part of the game plan when their small forwards are put under pressure.
The small forwards are great for 15 man rugby because there is quick support at the breakdown.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Nov 2017, 16:05#5
I can't stand Read for this very reason....and that he spells his surname wrong!!!
21 Nov 2017, 16:18#6
8 years on the trot as No.1.....
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
21 Nov 2017, 17:39#7
Moo, 8 years? More like 9, wich makes it even worse. Great player but no great sportsman.
CRCrusadersfan
Pro3,099 posts
CRCrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
21 Nov 2017, 21:32#8
Oh boo hoo you bunch of cry baby hypocrites.Just because your team cant beat us you will try and make any excuse possible for why the AB's keep winning even when they are playing other teams.
I take it from your outrage that the Boks never break the rules as none of you post about your indescretions.
Hahahaha listening to you lot whinge is comedy gold
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
21 Nov 2017, 21:41#9
Actually Itoje did exactly the same thing against Oz and was penalized but not binned....I’m not exactly clear on the conditions that produce a yellow.

sharkbok
Captain23,257 posts

sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
21 Nov 2017, 23:25#10
Knew t here would be a few bites, if not the catch up the day!
CRCrusadersfan
Pro3,099 posts
CRCrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
22 Nov 2017, 02:46#11
Is that the standard reply when someone responds to you bunch of cry babies so you can all whinge in the hope no one will point out your faults with a responce.
Always found a low level of IQ is associated with people that post that responce(now do you have the balls to respond and get caught in your own arguement hahahaha)
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Nov 2017, 04:51#12
We just don't all worship at the Black Shrine.
CRCrusadersfan
Pro3,099 posts
CRCrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
22 Nov 2017, 06:13#13
Whats Zuma got to do with this?
KMKa Mate
Club Pro246 posts
22 Nov 2017, 06:28#14
Yeah CruFan, whingeing is the one thing that the Yarpies still do well.
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
22 Nov 2017, 07:27#15
W atched Breakdown last night.
JK reckons that it's part of the AB strategy. Rather than give away a try in a close game, give away a yellow and make sure that you've practiced playing with 14 men.
Not a bad idea. How sporting is it? Well that depends on what colour your jersey is ;)
CRCrusadersfan
Pro3,099 posts
CRCrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
22 Nov 2017, 07:55#16
Well we can gaurantee the Boks will not use it as a tactic, they can't win with 15. They were so used to have 16 on the field but now they cant buy the ref its been all down hill for them
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Nov 2017, 08:41#17
One recalls the odious Sean Fitzpatrick, a swivel eyed git if there ever was one. He was perhaps even surpassed by the notorious Ritchie McCaw and now we have bent Read going down the same scandalous path!!!!
As for beating the "Bok" old crust fan you are not beating the real Boks just an anc version! Further beating the wee abs and their refs is a not easy given the roughly 20 point advantage the wee abs start with.Alas it doesn't seem like the wee abs are mending their ways. The Scots must just be thankful they don't have to put up with this BS at least twice every season!
Beeno the voice of reason drawing a straight line for the crooked wee abs and their fan accomplices!
CRCrusadersfan
Pro3,099 posts
CRCrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
22 Nov 2017, 10:25#18
How long has the ANC's Boks quota been in place beeno?
We have been whipping you since 1992 and since then the score is AB's 42 wins SA 15 and 1 draw and of those 11 were home games for you. we have won more games in SA than you have in that time (19 games). I have no idea when the quota system was put into place and would be interested to know
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Nov 2017, 11:05#19
Obviously when we returned to international rugby we were going to be behind the curve altho ugh the World Cup win in 1995 disguised the fact.Its quotas but as I have said a 1000 times that quotas are NOT the only issue -and still a bonehead like you imagines I think they are. Bwahahahahhahahahaha talk about having no clue whatsoever.
Crustie fan if you think SA rugby is running smoothly, efficiently and at maximum performance you are a first class moron. Even your own news papers had an article a while back about SA being a sleeping rugby giant and beware the day they get their house in order.But we are getting off the point here - which is how bent the kiwis are!!! Well at least the Scoots know now. Hahaahhaahahhahahahaha Bent read exposed!!
CRCrusadersfan
Pro3,099 posts
CRCrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
22 Nov 2017, 12:02#20
Your previous statement clearly states that you lot lose all the time because of the quota system why dont you read what you wrote.
And lets imagine that the All Blacks were given a 20 point head start how does that come into play when you lose to Japan and Italy? FFS we arent even playing and somehow its our fault you cant win
What gives you the impression that I (let alone anyone in the world) think SA rugby is running smoothly, its a dog breakfast run by incompetent knobs (how long have you actually been in charge of SA rugby Beeno, go on you can tell us must have been a few years now) And any news article claiming SA rugby is a sleeping giant must be fake news its more like a comatose fat bugger drawing his last breath. I will pop over in a couple of years to dig a S shaped hole to bury the bent corrupt corpse of SA rugby if the All Blacks dont beat me to it

sharkbok
Captain23,257 posts

sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
22 Nov 2017, 12:08#21
I just read an article form the All Blacks management team who claim that Reid was not cynical.... Yeah right.....
When the small All Black forwards get bullied, we do see these type of cynical tactics, unfortunately.
It is different to competing on the ground, they know 100% that they are breaking the rules of the game.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
22 Nov 2017, 12:18#22
Quotas started being a real issue under Strauli, prior to the 2003 RWC.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Nov 2017, 19:10#23
Draadie don't confuse the Crustie fan with the facts. Hahahahahhahahahaha
22 Nov 2017, 20:20#24
Heh what is this about because Read slapped the players ball down lol? That is it? Talk about clutching at straws. Far as I Can see from the footage I watched. IT was just a loose carry.
CRCrusadersfan
Pro3,099 posts
CRCrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
23 Nov 2017, 00:17#26
I was going to post a pic of a South African supporter during his school years but couldn't find one as apparently none had a high enough IQ to actually attend school which explains a lot about the SA supporters posts on here
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Nov 2017, 03:40#27
The IQ thing again? Don't you think that's a bit lame?
CRCrusadersfan
Pro3,099 posts
CRCrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
23 Nov 2017, 04:21#28
And all your lame continuous moaning about nothing isn't?
Everyday we hear how the big bad world is conspiring to keep the Boks down and nothing every goes in our favour and everyone else gets the rub of the green ....etc etc etc. Bigger bunch of whingers than the poms FFS
Try lifting yourselfs up for a change instead of trying to drag everyone down to your level you will probably find its actually easier in the long run
PLPlum
Captain21,007 posts
23 Nov 2017, 08:32#29
"The off-the-ball stuff, it makes it difficult to complete attacking
opportunities and situations because there is so much happening off the
ball in terms of holding players or subtly holding players. We've raised
it with the ref already. It's part of the game in New Zealand, all New
Zealand teams at the moment are doing it."
That was from Gatland during the Lions tour. I'm not saying that it did or didn't happen.
For interest sake, lets assume that a team does get away with body blocking due to doing it very well/subtly.
If the kicking team has decided to use chip kicks as part of a counter strategy against a rush defense but can't employ the chip kick due to the kick chasers being constantly blocked. That would change the entire game for the kicking team since their main weapon against the rush defense will have been nullified and result in them simply giving the ball away.
So after eighty minutes, we might say that there were only about four or five incidents of body blocking that occurred and one some of them may even have been penalized. But it's the net effect and the forced change in tactics in the game which is really the problem.
The attacking team have to adjust their tactics due to illegal activity by the defending team. This is the part the irks me. How many points for and against do those tactics then account for at the end of the game? Impossible to say.
In cricket its much harder to cheat. But, if it were possible for the bowler to somehow hoodwink the umpire and constantly bowl from 5 foot closer to the batsman than was allowed, would we stand for it? Obviously not. There is a clear advantage there in that the batter will have less time to react to the delivery. Bowlers can't do that since its easy to spot. But in rugby, tactics that provide similar levels of advantage seem to go unnoticed all to often and are too easily employed by teams seeking to gain the upper hand.
As a fan, surely one is being denied a fair game and an honest outcome.
Refs have to be better. Technology has to be better utilized. The overhead camera can easily spot lane changing, illegal scrumming, off-sides and a few other areas of the game where incorrect calls occur very often. These changes could be brought in without much/any change in technology and by adding only a small load on the TMO's shoulders.
I know this board s divided between using tech and not using tech. I'm sure most of us want more correct calls to be made.
POpolyboy
Club Pro601 posts
23 Nov 2017, 13:06#30
Sharkbok those "small forwards" of the AB'a have been contributing to pasting the Boks...in oh last 10 encounters...57-0 comes to mine....the Boks had one good outing in a dead rubber match.....on their home ground....with all the up to date TV equipment and TV producer in their back pocket....and still lost....to an AB team in 3rd gear.

sharkbok
Captain23,257 posts

sharkbokCaptain23,257 posts
23 Nov 2017, 14:15#31
@Polyboy, the Boks are a non-entity at the moment. This article is focussing on how the referees have become more vigilant about policing the Allblack players and fans.
The fans especially are cynical in how they support and endorse this type of stuff... Apparently, some All Black players do not condone this, but due to pressure from the fans the All Blacks relented.
23 Nov 2017, 14:38#32
ANC direct involvement started in 1999. However the winds of change were blowing since 1994.
MOMozart
Captain49,914 posts
MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Nov 2017, 15:06#33
So Sader fan, all South Africans are morons......got it....but say, what’s your IQ
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Nov 2017, 15:32#34
Moz, it's obvious, he is a genius with a bitter sense of almost humor...and he seems angry most of the time.
CRCrusadersfan
Pro3,099 posts
CRCrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
23 Nov 2017, 20:08#35
Lets just say Moz that I can at least dress myself in the morning which puts me miles ahead of most on here
Far from angry Draad I come here for the laughs, if you want anger check out Beeno's posts now that is an angry little man (actually his posts are more hate than anger)