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wee All Black forwards crapping themselves about facing Bok Power Pack

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
17 Aug 2013, 23:32
#1
17 Aug 2013, 23:32#1

The likes of Romano and Retalick are having some extreme nightmares about facing the boks.

It will be many sleepless nights about facing the might of

Ezebeth and co. 

 

 We have got Strauss starting who is the probably the best tight forward ball carrier in the world.

Then on the bench is Bismaark.

 

Ezebeth must be the strongest lock in world rugby, and then

we have Alberts and Vermuelen in the backrow. 

 

Coenie is the best prop in the loose, and it coming on in

the tight head position.

A Beast & Coenie front row could be on the cards.

 

The scrum looks like the best so far in the 4 nations with

the new rules.

It seems to favour the bigger stronger scrum, with less

tricks to fool the referee. 

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Aug 2013, 23:43
#2
17 Aug 2013, 23:43#2

 @sharkbok: you keep telling yourself that, it might help you sleep at night, lol

They showed good signs in the back & forwards but this was no more that a practice warm-up game for them. They needed it if only to get some of their "Bok supporters" off their back.

IMO they wll also give Oz a good thumping unless OZ get's their back clicking first.

 

Now the ABs they are a different matter altogether, they are not even warmed up yet and they played "their dad's army" players. Imagine what they will be like if they field 5 or 6 un-capped players (Oz strategy against RWC winners.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Aug 2013, 23:56
#3
17 Aug 2013, 23:56#3

 Exactly sharkbok. As I said just imagine when the likes of Malherbe, Du toit, Arno Botha Jaque Du Plessis , Deon Fourie etc join the match 22. 

The abs are already quaking in their boots!!! crude is finding a place to hide and wee mcaaaw is thinking about another sabatical!  Retardlick is the only oak without a problem as he cant think and has no imagination

I can only hope SARFU etc will do everything possible to get Fourie DuPreez back. I haven't seen passing and a quick silver service like tha tfor some time.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Aug 2013, 23:56
#4
17 Aug 2013, 23:56#4
Justwin To be quite frank - I was not over-impressed with the All Back forwards today - they did not win the game and was poor in line out play - whilst not the best scyumming machine either. I believe there were too many loose balls left around by the Aussies - which invariably let to tries being scored. That was also the case in for instance the try scored by Genia - vey poor line-out play to blame. However, that being said they played much better than the Wallabies in the looser format of the game. The forward pack can cost them games and that needs to improve.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Aug 2013, 00:00
#5
18 Aug 2013, 00:00#5

 Hey Mike do you realsie the abs are building a pack to be feared. Who would have thought it!

- an ab forward after a test against the mighty Bokke! Hahahahahhahahahaha

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Aug 2013, 00:06
#6
18 Aug 2013, 00:06#6

 Nice to see you boys with a bit of confidence on this thread. Makes a change from ripping into your own coach & team, lol

No worries about the AB pack, they will be just fine.

Beeno1: is that an emoticon picture of you getting the crap knocked out of you, it sure looks like it.  

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Aug 2013, 00:10
#7
18 Aug 2013, 00:10#7

 Hi there JW we are just enjoying the moment and the deep and certain knowledge of ab fear! 

Anyhow all in good fun JW so dont have sleepless nights.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Aug 2013, 00:14
#8
18 Aug 2013, 00:14#8

 By the way Sharkbok do you realise that had Du Toit and Coenie been of the field we would have seen about 940kg of Bok power - similar to the Stormers power pack we so sadly never saw due to injuries - one of my biggest regrets in watching rugby.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Aug 2013, 00:17
#9
18 Aug 2013, 00:17#9

 Glad to see some running rugby built on solid forward play & that was the case against Argentina. She makes a change from the recent Bulls/Bok play. Now that puts me to sleep.

PO
polyboyClub Pro601 posts
18 Aug 2013, 00:37
#10
18 Aug 2013, 00:37#10
Didn't take long for Bok posters to roll out the same rhetoric as last year, there is a constant talking up of the Bok forwards then the AB's beat em year in year out. Reminds of how the Boks demolished Australia last year and the bravado on this forum was deafening then they faced the AB's later on and.........RC to NZ....same story this year. When will you guys learn, the AB's are the benchmark in world rugby, the Bok forwards myth of fearsome forwards has long gone they are no longer feared as can be shown by the winning gap between the 2 countries, build it up as much as you like I suppose if you say it often enough it may come true. Great game by the Boks though liked the continuity.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Aug 2013, 01:38
#11
18 Aug 2013, 01:38#11

keep deluding yourself poly the abs days are numbered and we shall in due course be Bok too traditional Bok rule.

Get used to the idea it could prevent a nervous beak down!

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
18 Aug 2013, 01:44
#12
18 Aug 2013, 01:44#12

 Hey Hasbeeno, after scoffing at the Haka like you do continually, what the hell was that performance when the Boks ran on to the field last night?

Looks like they grabbed some poor bloke off the street, dressed him in a cheetah skin, gave him a spear, set him on fire and said "Go for it son!". No wonder he was leaping around like a lunatic with all those sparks flying!

Give me a quiet, controlled Haka any day!

PO
polyboyClub Pro601 posts
18 Aug 2013, 02:22
#13
18 Aug 2013, 02:22#13
Beeno you said the same thing last year. Delusion is a fantastic thing....especially when winning. Read somewhere that in last 50 tests AB have a 90% success rate, despite the imaginery Bok power which hasn't been able to stop them. Hows that new job as a futures predictor working out for you.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Aug 2013, 03:15
#14
18 Aug 2013, 03:15#14
polyboy I do not go along with the type of hype that Beeno specializes in. He normally dreams things up and uses it irrationally. It is very difficult to properly evaluated one sided - matches as we had yesterday. Often enough deficiencies are covered up in such an event. In essence what happened yesterday was influenced by two factors - namely the inexperience of the Wallaby players on the one hand and the collapse of the Pumas after minute 30 - starting off with the penalty try awarded against them. The Wallabies were quite competitive for 65 minutes of the game - the Pumas for less than half of that time. In essence there are deficiencies in both the All Black and Springbok teams - which could - if not corrected - impact on future games - especially in games between the All Blacks and the Springboks. On the Springbok side the problem areas basically relates to performance of individual players - and in the All Black side there were - I believe - problems with regard to line out play and also to an extent scrumming that were problematic. If I was Hansen - I would not be entirely over the moon about those two facets of the game. In essence the line out in particular were a problem. The only real line out takes were by Read and often enough it was rather poor delivery of balls to the scrummie. Whitelock, Romano and Retallick did not really shine in .that component of the game. I am normally a great admirer of Whitlock - but testerday he was bog ordinary and did not deliver much at all.
PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
18 Aug 2013, 05:21
#15
18 Aug 2013, 05:21#15
indeed mike. first test of RC was a rough one. If AB clean up there act, and they will. AB score lines will start blowing out. Lineouts where a shambles, need to sort discipline out far to many penalty. That was all that kept Wallabies in the game. AB know this they are not a team that makes the same mistakes twice. BOK vs AB is far better indicator to see where both teams are at.
PA
PapamoaClub Pro683 posts
18 Aug 2013, 05:32
#16
18 Aug 2013, 05:32#16
Bean head, for a supporter of a team that has, lets be honest fairly limited success against the AB. You are full of it. 3 RC/TN out of 11 is not s result worth rubbishing the AB over. Stats don't lie either 40% success rate is far from AB shitting themselves over. But hey, keep the dream alive brother. You go girl, get those nasty all blacks.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
19 Aug 2013, 05:21
#17
19 Aug 2013, 05:21#17

 I must say I have not seen a dominant All Black forward performance like the Boks delivered against Argentina. 

 

The All Blacks backline passing skills are great and the game plan is to go wide as quick as possibale, and then have smaller forwards play more as fetchers than carriers. 

 

Having fetcher forwards instead of carriers, allows the AllBlacks to take it wide in the backs, and then retain possesion in the tackle area by having more forwards to the ruck quicker.

 

The game plan is move the ball away from the forwards as quick as possibale by shovelling it out in the backs.

 This also largely takes the opposition forwards out of the game, especially the opposition tight forwards. 

 

The same applies for counter attacks like Australia experienced on Saterday.

When the outside Australian backs were tackled, the wee All Black forwards were all over them at the ruck area.

 

Saterday against Argentina was a lesson in true forward domination. 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 Aug 2013, 06:22
#18
19 Aug 2013, 06:22#18

yawwwwwwwwwwwn, :o/

2012
Bok fans talk up the Bok forwards.

Bok fans question the All Blacks forwards.

Boks lose to the All Blacks.

Bok fans go quiet.

2013
rinse & repeat, :oD

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
19 Aug 2013, 06:28
#19
19 Aug 2013, 06:28#19

 Sasuke, the Boks lost the 2012 games in the backline defence, and not in the forwards.

 

If we can stop the wee All Black forwards from diving on our ball at the rucks we will control proceedings

 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 Aug 2013, 06:54
#20
19 Aug 2013, 06:54#20

@sharkbok,

All Blacks vs Boks in dunedin

New Zealand   South Africa 61 from 68 (89.7%) Rucks won 60 from 64 (93.8%) 0 from 1 (0.0%) Mauls won 9 from 9 (100.0%) 14 Turnovers conceded 9 Set pieces 6 won, 0 lost (100.0%) Scrums on own feed 4 won, 2 lost (66.7%) 12 won, 1 lost (92.3%) Lineouts on own throw 13 won, 5 lost (72.2%)


All Blacks vs Boks in sowetto

South Africa   New Zealand 51 from 57 (89.5%) Rucks won 37 from 41 (90.2%) 7 from 8 (87.5%) Mauls won 0 from 0 16 Turnovers conceded 7 Set pieces 7 won, 0 lost (100.0%) Scrums on own feed 9 won, 0 lost (100.0%) 15 won, 2 lost (88.2%) Lineouts on own throw 8 won, 2 lost (80.0%)


but as the numbers quite clearly show, the Bok forwards did sweet fudge all against the All Blacks forwards, in the breakdowns, in the lineouts and in the scrums, Boks forwards were beaten soundly as a whole except come the mauls, SA forwards only pillar of dominance.

hence 2013 rinse and repeat.

all good though, nothing worng with barracking for ur team, or making things up,  im just trying to picutre the creative excuses were going to hear this time round should the Boks not win.

if ur wallaby/All Black prediciton is anything to go by, i would start working on those excuses now, :oP

NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
19 Aug 2013, 07:11
#21
19 Aug 2013, 07:11#21

Oh dear. 1 win against a 14 man, 10th ranked team at home and at altitude and the fanboys are already polishing their empty trophy cabinet in anticipation of some long sought after silverware.  The Bok forward fairy tale is wheeled out every year in one form or another only to be soundly debunked by the tiny wee All Blacks.  Besides, Scotland have provided the most recent evidence of the frailty of the "dominant Bok forward" myth.  We will have to wait and see but if recent history is the best indicator of future outcomes, the fanboys are in for another coulda, woulda, shoulda, didn't year.  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Aug 2013, 07:33
#22
19 Aug 2013, 07:33#22
Nukefreekiwi I always try and be objective insofar as performances are concerned and am not saying the Springboks will beat the All Blacks - what I am saying is that there were elements of the game of both the All Blacks and the Springboks that was not really up to standard in the gamesb yesterday - this is not what happened last year - it was in evidence Saturday that counts. I identified problems amongst the forwards - but another problem area is defence on the midfield where a number of tackles were missed. I am not saying that a repeat in in future tests spells disaster. In a way it was similar to what happened at Twickenham last year and that is not good enough at all. I thought the situation was better against the French and thought the problems were ironed out - but it seems that there was some similar tendencies on Saturday. I do believe that the problems encountered yesterday can and will be ironed out. But whether that happened should be analysed by looking at the matches to follow. It would be interesting to see what happens in matches over the next three weeks - and during that period an objective assessment would become clearer. The tendency to base too much on what happened in two essentially one-sided matches is not really acceptable.
NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
19 Aug 2013, 09:32
#23
19 Aug 2013, 09:32#23

 Point taken CM.  I agree. I think the ABs will need to tidy up some key areas (mostly around the set piece) if they are to compete with the Boks. In addition to the ABs poor line out options, the other concern was ill discipline. Morne is just as capable as Leliafano at converting penalty shots so the ABs will need to be far more disciplined in their own half.  I think the line outs are easily rectified.  What's encouraging is that all the necessary improvements can be realistically managed. It's not as if they need their players to run faster, jump higher or kick further.  All the improvements are within their capabilities.  We'll have to wait a few weeks before an accurate assessment of both teams genuine abilities can be made. 

 

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