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Wee Keo getting hysterical, Stormers are the worst SA side he opines

Started by Beeno110 REPLIES211 VIEWS· 14 Mar 2014, 14:11
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Mar 2014, 14:11
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14 Mar 2014, 14:11#1

He is correct about the coaching but ou Keo needs to dig into why two top ciaches like Mallet and Rassie walked out. The rot starts with the suits.

The Stormers' defeat against the Chiefs in Hamilton was no surprise, writes MARK KEOHANE.

This is the weakest Stormers unit in six years. It is also the most confused in terms of game plan.

The Stormers built their reputation as a no-nonsense defensive unit in the past few years. They were a difficult team to beat. They relied on a no-risk policy of attack, on opposition mistakes and on a superb defensive structure.

It was effective to win league games but the game plan lacked the balance to win the competition. The Stormers struggled to score tries and they were not a side capable of chasing a game. In both home semi-finals they got blown away because the Crusaders and Sharks respectively got a good start and enjoyed healthy leads. It proved Western Province’s undoing in the Currie Cup final in 2013. Same players, same coach and the same limitations. Western Province or the Stormers … it is one and the same.

I thought the Stormers would be more competitive in Hamilton but there was no way anyone could have expected them to win on form or squad ability.

Those who backed a Stormers win would have done so out of hope and not any belief based on a rugby argument.

The Stormers, in terms of the evolution of their game have gone from a state of stagnation to regression.

The coaching staff offers nothing that can improve the side. They’ve been around for seven years and with each year the chances of the Stormers winning the competition have looked less likely.

Currently, I would rank the Stormers the worst of the South African sides. Winning a Currie Cup final two seasons ago was the worst thing that could have happened because it meant the failures in Super Rugby were ignored. Western Province were a lineout away from going out in the semi-final. They won in the last move of the game and then surprised a star-studded Sharks outfit who failed to recognise the occasion and had the intent of a team who felt they had the final won before kick-off.

I was bleak about the Stormers' prospects this season because of the lack of recruiting, no progression in the game plan and squad limitations. It is not because of an anti-Stormers bias.

The reality is they are a limited side and this unit is trading on the defensive history of the squads from 2011, 2012 and 2013.

Jean de Villiers and Schalk Burger are two great players but the duo don’t make for a competition-winning team.

The Stormers don’t have influential halfbacks, they have an ordinary back three, they have two average locks and they have a front row that is good without being dominant.

Defence comes with attitude and the Stormers squad don’t have the attitude of those who implemented a defensive game plan successfully in the league stages.

They are also a team who can no longer rely on a no-risk approach. They were easily beaten and 16 points was a reflection of the difference in the two sides.

The margin of defeat is disappointing but not the nature of it. The Stormers performance in Hamilton is a reflection of the quality of the side and the limitations of the coaching staff.

The Stormers, as a team, can be summarised in the last five-minute performance. They needed to score one try to win the game and they conceded two. They did not know how to attack and the go-to man at No 10 – replacement Peter Grant – was the same player who wasn’t good enough four years ago.

It is going to be a struggle this season for the Stormers. They will lose more than they win.

Hindsight was not needed to know that the Stormers were never going to be a top-six team in 2014. Our preview on this site reflected the reality of a situation.

And the Stormers in Hamilton confirmed our sentiments.


I will leave the oaks to sift the wheat from the chaff . Keo makes a number of valid points but also is waxing a little hysterical at times. 

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
14 Mar 2014, 14:19
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14 Mar 2014, 14:19#2
 The Stormers management team is rubbish. 
Give Jake White the Stormers squad and he would certainly be pushing for semis.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Mar 2014, 22:00
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14 Mar 2014, 22:00#3
I tend to agree with KEO. In my view Aplon, Jean, Schalk and Vermeulen are top quality players....the rest of today's team would probably not make the Sharks team. So I'm not sure it's as simple as just bad coaching. Losing Habana and Etzebeth was huge....but even before that we were probably short two players. The franchis e needs to spend for more quality.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
14 Mar 2014, 22:04
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14 Mar 2014, 22:04#4
 The Franchise exports players. It' s time for a change but what decent coach is going to come here given Mallet and  Rassie walked out.Personally I doubt we will end bottom of the SA franchises.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Mar 2014, 22:09
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14 Mar 2014, 22:09#5
I think we will end up third....maybe second. But if you consider the history of the team, we ought to be doing better. I'll tell you this HasBeen-ou, if we had offered Jake the Stormers job last year, we would have got him. SA rugby is dogged by suits not doing their best for the team for all sorts of non rugby reasons...money playing a big part.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
15 Mar 2014, 00:10
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15 Mar 2014, 00:10#6
Time for Grant to start. Like the Cat, but he's not bringing anything special that Grant can't bring with greater experience
If the games against the Saders and Chiefs were big, the next three games against Brumbies, Reds, and Tahs will make or break the season. Win two of those and go into the bye 3 -4 and the season is far from over. Lions, Force and Highlanders at home, Cheetahs twice are all very winnable games. Split the four games with Bulls and Sharks and we would have a 10-6 record which should be good enough to make playoffs in a year where there seems to be better parity amongst the teams. I could even see a 9-7 team being second place in South African division this year with the dominant Sharks beating everyone, the Lions looking dangerous enough to claim a few more scalps and the Bulls still to go on tour (Chiefs, Canes, Highlanders, Waratahs).



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Mar 2014, 01:18
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15 Mar 2014, 01:18#7
Beeno
The problem today with the Stormers centered around two major issues, those being -
*   poor ball handling - they ended up losing possession of 21 balls because of this problem; and 
*   disastrous defense - they missed a total of 33 tackles.
The ball possession losses are spread throughout the team.   In the case of the missed tackles some players missed more tackles than they made.  On the whole the Stormers players missed 27% of all attempted tackles.
Although I know a lot of things can be blamed on the coaches - but if players handed as many balls over to the opposition and miss as many tackles as they did - then the players must also be blamed.  No coach is teaching teams to miss tackles and to hand over possession of the ball to the opposition.
The senior players are equally to blame.  A player like Aplpon missed 3 of his 5 attempted tackles - so did Catrakillis.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Mar 2014, 10:08
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15 Mar 2014, 10:08#8
 The Stormers got in a quota coach. Its that simple. Alistair was ahuge flop with the Boks and I suspect jakeq had to bring him into the Bok coaching set up for quoata reasons. hence Eddie jones being called up to coiach the backline. Backline play is Coetzee's speciality but look how poor over the years the Stormers attack has been. No we have useless suits running the show and no decent coach will stay.
WP/Stormers have been sold down the river by race considerations

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Mar 2014, 10:14
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15 Mar 2014, 10:14#9
We could also have had Dr Brendan Venter. What chance of Coetzee ever being being offered a job to coach Saracens! NO CHANCE AT ALL. Like ou pdv they simply disappear and no overseas team will consider them as they are obviously incompetent and only in their jobs because of quota reasons.
Sorry but this is the brutal truth.
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
15 Mar 2014, 10:24
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15 Mar 2014, 10:24#10
 so nice to hear the truth being discussed instead of blaming the refs, IRB, everyone else but the culprits 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Mar 2014, 11:02
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15 Mar 2014, 11:02#11
 haacked waaugh nice to see you on the board again but please try and keep it real. We ALL know the Stormers were robbed of a victory over ther crusaders - just like last year. 
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