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Well done Cheetahs . . .

Started by Rooinek17 REPLIES252 VIEWS· 07 Jul 2014, 13:02
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jul 2014, 13:02
#1
07 Jul 2014, 13:02#1

No excuses from me. The Sharks were just crap. Wish Joke White would just bugger off back to wherever he came from before he does even more damage to the great side that John Plumtree built.


I mean really, I reckon Twakkie would have won the S15 with this Sharks team but Joke is finding the one and only way of screwing things up by playing a sterile, boring kicking game. Let's dump this idiot and bring back Natal rugby!

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jul 2014, 13:10
#2
07 Jul 2014, 13:10#2
 Rooitwit welcome back even if your post is hopelessly off target as usual. 
Just a reminder -Natal rugby is something of the past. At least your rugby views are not as outdated as your science.  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jul 2014, 13:21
#3
07 Jul 2014, 13:21#3
 Rooinek
Wekcome back - you were missed.   
Look - I think there is a problem in the team as well.   Some players got too big for their own good in their own minds.  
The problem 2 I think guilty of that is Francois Steyn and Willem Albert.  Both were way below the required standard on Saturday.   
I think the team was pap.   By the way - there was less kicking by the players than i have seen for a long time - the only "kcker" was in fact Marais -  I think during thee whole game Swiel for instance only kciked the ball twice - he passed the ball 24 times and ran with it 5 times.   
If we hd centers that could create space the situation would have been castly different - but our center pairing was just not food enough.    
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
07 Jul 2014, 14:05
#4
07 Jul 2014, 14:05#4
 This is one of those results that is bitter-sweet. They did it before to the Sharks, scuppering their chances. It would have served South Africa better had they lost, but as usual, the Saffer sides turn up best when sinking their teeth into their own countrymen.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Jul 2014, 15:41
#5
07 Jul 2014, 15:41#5

The Cheetahs played the way they should have played all season and the way they played last year - not sure why they have been so piss poor this year.

 

 

Some good individual performances from all the Sharks backs, Lewies, Mtembu and Coetzee were good in the forwards. 19 year old Thomas du Toit was very impressive on debut off the bench. For such a big lad, he has some serious pace - this kid has a bright future. Great try by Reinach.

 

 

For the Cheetahs, Lood once again stood tall - Willie, Goosen, Coenie, Nkanyane, Strauss and v/Jaarsveld were good.

 

 

Sharks, like the Bulls are starting to let things slip.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jul 2014, 16:45
#6
07 Jul 2014, 16:45#6
 Sffex
Spot on with your assessment.  I think Goosen controlled the game extremely well and the player of the day was Lood.
I personally think that both should be in the RC squad and that some hasbeens needs to g o.    
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
07 Jul 2014, 17:19
#7
07 Jul 2014, 17:19#7
Goosen is a nothing. He already blew two tests against the All Blacks all by himself, why lose more to him. He is the same player he was in 2012 and all of the work done by the team and their excellent backs coach has gone to Goosen, undeservedly. They should get rid of him.
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jul 2014, 17:48
#8
07 Jul 2014, 17:48#8
Hmmm . . . anyone else getting the distinct impression that Dim Sum doesn't like Johan Goosen very much? Maybe he needs to tell us another 20 times?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jul 2014, 17:52
#9
07 Jul 2014, 17:52#9
 Dim Sun
What tests are you talking of that Goosen blew?  I am not aware of those.  I know of three tests Mornetjie blew - at Dunedin, Eden Parlk and Ellis Park - so which ones are you talking about?   
O - by the way how do you like the following description of ESPN on Morne's performances:-

"Steyn struggled with his form in the 2011 Super Rugby campaign but kept his place in the Springboks side for the end of season Tri-Nations tournament. However - after a poor performance against the Wallabies, Steyn was told he was playing for his South Africa future in the Boks' second game of the tournament against New Zealand.


And that has been the story of Steyn's international career. He oscillates between Man of the Match performances and then costing his side valuable points with erratic kicking a week later. During 2010 he was the Boks' undisputed first choice No.10 and he kept that mantle during the 2011 World Cup but when Heineke Meyer took charge of the Boks then eventually he opted for Johan Goosen at No.10 towards the end of 2012."


The above says it all about Morne Steyn - a better description is impossible.  Against weak opposition he is a star - against stronger opposition a disaster.   Can you understan d now why Morne is the Stade Francais Reject?????



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jul 2014, 17:52
#10
07 Jul 2014, 17:52#10
 Dim Sun
What tests are you talking of that Goosen blew?  I am not aware of those.  I know of three tests Mornetjie blew - at Dunedin, Eden Parlk and Ellis Park - so which ones are you talking about?   
O - by the way how do you like the following description of ESPN on Morne's performances:-

"Steyn struggled with his form in the 2011 Super Rugby campaign but kept his place in the Springboks side for the end of season Tri-Nations tournament. However - after a poor performance against the Wallabies, Steyn was told he was playing for his South Africa future in the Boks' second game of the tournament against New Zealand.


And that has been the story of Steyn's international career. He oscillates between Man of the Match performances and then costing his side valuable points with erratic kicking a week later. During 2010 he was the Boks' undisputed first choice No.10 and he kept that mantle during the 2011 World Cup but when Heineke Meyer took charge of the Boks then eventually he opted for Johan Goosen at No.10 towards the end of 2012."


The above says it all about Morne Steyn - a better description is impossible.  Against weak opposition he is a star - against stronger opposition a disaster.   Can you understan d now why Morne is the Stade Francais Reject?????



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generaltitPro3,164 posts
07 Jul 2014, 18:42
#11
07 Jul 2014, 18:42#11
The Cheetahs outsmarted the Sharks in tactics and went into battle without the right armour.

The Cheetahs raced to 10-0 in the opening 10 minutes thanks to Johan Goosen's penalty and a remarkable try that saw Van Jaarsveld score from a rolling maul that made more than 30 meter.


 

Opened a can of worms here…the Bulls were the rolling maul fundi’s in the past and this SA’s weapon against the AB’s and they have criticised blaming SANZAR refs for inconsistency in managing the technicalities here.


I think the Cheetahs coach was quite clever here as he took advantage of a diminished Shark side in this that the key players were rested and Jake expected the Cheetahs would use their typical expansive attack…least expected from rolling mauls.

 

Yes this time Jake was outsmarted and all credit to the Cheetahs coach who is not one of my favourites but sometimes even mediocre coaches get it right.


Although not relevant here but an  email that has gone out this week to Super Rugby franchises and to referees has underlined the legality of the maul, and instructed referees to be strict on the proper enforcement of the law.

In other words, referees will keep a particularly keen eye on the obstruction in setting the maul by the attacking side and then also that the defensive side drives through the middle to get to the ball carrier and does not “swim up the side” of the maul.


 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jul 2014, 19:22
#12
07 Jul 2014, 19:22#12
 Seb I would like to see how many coaches could achieve what Naka achieves with a squad with so little depth. Every year their resources are raided by mainly the parasitic bulle and sharks. 
I think he is good coach. The Cheetas play good rugby with the limited number of quality players they have.
The Cheetahs were close to being back to full strength with only Brussouw and Labuschagne missing. At full srength they are a good team and playoff contenders
Shame on the ravenous, parasitic bulle for poaching the Cheetahs captain Adraian Strauss. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Jul 2014, 20:32
#13
07 Jul 2014, 20:32#13
 Okay time to come clean.Sharks dominated second half. Cheetahs scrum was very poor and Coe nie must get the Bok chop. He simplycant scrum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Also as Mallet says there was no advantage re that last move. If the Sharks had drawn they would have been one point ahead of the crusties. What a disastorous ref error! 
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jul 2014, 15:59
#14
08 Jul 2014, 15:59#14
 Yeah old Dim Sum thinks Morne is great - say no more
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jul 2014, 16:11
#15
08 Jul 2014, 16:11#15
Can you imagine a scrum with Marcel at tighthead and Coenie at loosehead. You would need a reverse camera!  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Jul 2014, 16:58
#16
08 Jul 2014, 16:58#16

Take it you missed Marcel destroying the Stormers loosehead then? Your take on Marcel sounds about as accurate as the complete load of rubbish about him against the Lions loosehead.......I am still waiting for said scrums where the Lions prop dominated Marcel.......as you know the games are on Youtube

 

 

Coenie had a good game against the Sharks at tighthead.....the only time the Cheetahs scrum failed, was at the end when Cayleb Oosthuizen replaced Nkanyane at loosehead.......bet you missed that to? 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Jul 2014, 17:19
#17
08 Jul 2014, 17:19#17
 Mozart
Sure any prop will be in reverse gear if he has "pap" Matfield as a lock behind him.  To be quite frank twiowrds the end of the game - after van der Merwe came on - the Bulls actually took two tifghthead scrums from Cheetahs throw in.  
You hatred of aome players are getting the better of you - calm, down and come down to earth in your performance assessments.    
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jul 2014, 17:26
#18
08 Jul 2014, 17:26#18

Sure....but what about Steenkamp when he retired the hairy Welshman....who was behind him.....Matfield....oops.

 

And by the way if the Bulls took two tightheads off the Cheetahs that was a miracle. M ost people not in your parallel universe would have said the Bools were playing the Stormers.

 

You find things a bit confusing dontcha?

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