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What did we witness?

Started by Plum9 REPLIES504 VIEWS· 23 Nov 2025, 11:31
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
23 Nov 2025, 11:31
#1
23 Nov 2025, 11:31#1

Can anybody explain?


Im so confused.


1) How were the Boks not awarded penalty tries a those scrums?


2) How was that not a perma red? RE the Marx hit


3) How in the holy hell did we not score any points in the final 25 minutes of the game?


4) How on earth were Ireland still in the game with 8 minutes to go?



Those consecutive scrums were hilarious though. Something I doubt any of us will forget anytime soon.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
23 Nov 2025, 11:42
#2
23 Nov 2025, 11:42#2

I'll try and answer


  1. Penalty tries off a scrum are like hens teeth. You are more likely to get a try for a tackle or somebody sticking an arm out. They have given up on traditional rugby ever since then moved the try to the 5 meter line. They need to get rid of that 5 meter rule. It is almost impossible to push a team over these days.
  2. Yes, that is the type of foul play that should be stamped out. That was clear foul play and should have been a straight red. A lot inconsistencies here in applying the law.
  3. Mainie, he came on and got caught with ball in hand on several occassions, tryign to force the game wide to soon and not able to stamp his authority or back play onto the game. Throwing wild wide passes with players being caught man and ball. Cudo to the Irish for their rush defence. Thought they were incredible at stunting the boks back play. The other culprit was Jessica, just had the blinkers on. The best play of the game was Kolbe hitting the gap, to PTSD and then to Willemse. That is all the boks had to do but poor Kolbe got left stranded out wide. Manie is kak, end of.
  4. Negative tactics, even though it looked like we were dominating, they conceded so many penalties and the boks kept going for the scrum, when they did get the penalty they were very poor in the backline, again Manie Don't forget NZ use to do this all the time, just spoil the game and frustrate the other team until they run out of options. Ireland is a quality team, they hang in there but they are by no means better than the boks. I think the forward dominance got the better of us but they have equally as big forwards that can stand up man for man.


My final thought, I think Eben is done, he had no impact on the game what so over. Kolisi had another few good runs and made some good tackles. This time Kwagga was really disappointing for me and we got caught up in the forward onslaught and got drawn into the Irish game. With the likes of Sasha, Willems, Williams, Moodie, Kolbe we should have walked this game. To De Allende Credit, less trucking this time and his passing was spot on, saw a lot of backline play, in the first half but ended nowhere. Sasha went nuke mode and just kept kicking it up. Ireland is a really good team on the deck, so they spoiled a lot of our breakdown ball.


But the boks are the most dominant team that will completely brutalise you if they backline is not on song. Can't say I love this game, I was expecting more from Sasha and the backline. Still think we would have done better with AE and Moodie at centre. For some reason Manie plays better with AE and Moodie

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
23 Nov 2025, 11:43
#3
23 Nov 2025, 11:43#3

Please bring back Pollard, he would have just kept the game ticking over and allowed us to get further away. I think we should have just gone for the 3 points and make our way back

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
23 Nov 2025, 12:20
#4
23 Nov 2025, 12:20#4

Why did the Bok Backline not Function with all the Scrum Dominance?


Why could we not capitalise on our numerical advantages, and convert it into points?


Why is Manie Libbok selected instead of Pollard who is clearly a better Flyhalf?


Why is Stef Du Toit used on the outside, when clearly it leads to more mistakes than good?


Why does the leadership on the field not make better decisions?


For example trying to scrum 20 fucking times in a row, and reaching zero momentum or actual points?


Why not rather decide in that moment, to change tactics and execute a Backline attack?

PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
23 Nov 2025, 12:43
#5
23 Nov 2025, 12:43#5

Well if you don't play, you won't get points. What was the point of all those scrums? We got effortlessly into the Ireland 22. Get the scrum penalty, 3 points, repeat. Take a droppie from that platform. We could have been 9 points to the good in the time it took to scrum that little spot to death for no return.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Nov 2025, 13:17
#6
23 Nov 2025, 13:17#6

I agree about Etzebeth though. He might as well not have played because he was just a number on he field with zero inmpact in line-outs as well.


To make another anser. The loosies nowadays are following the vey siccesful sage of losies by the AB's in the past when hey ruled World Rugby The only real bok backline on S atrurday wa when Du Toit passed the ball to Willemse for hia try. In the famous last AB match this year Du Toit filled the same critical roles in scoring of two tries,



BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Nov 2025, 13:21
#7
23 Nov 2025, 13:21#7

What a complete disaster. We won the match and it was the first defeat Ireland have had at this venue in 19 matches!

Plumster the big problem was Ireland were determined to keep the margin of defeat down by playing illegally to stop Bok tries.

The ref got embarrassed by the flow of cards and never penalised Ireland as much as he should have

We all should know illegal play can stop attacks. No mystery about this.

We all know that was a permanent red.

The fault lies with the Irish coach. When have you ever seen an Irish side so undisciplined. They just kept infringing.

Stop blaming the Boks you hapless Mamparas!!!

These halfwits are behaving just as I predicted. Hahahahahaha.


KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
23 Nov 2025, 21:25
#8
23 Nov 2025, 21:25#8

Not blaming the boks Been, just Ireland spoiling the game and getting away with it.


Mallet called it out on a show, stop you from scoring.


We need to get rid of professional fouls some how

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
23 Nov 2025, 21:49
#9
23 Nov 2025, 21:49#9

We can’t just blame Ireland for slowing the game down, that’s a cheap cop-out.


The bigger problem was on our side. Wrong decisions, an inability to play constructive rugby with the back line, and zero tactical adjustment when it mattered.


We were scrumming over and over on their goal line while the leadership on the field froze.


Even with numerical advantage from their yellow cards, we failed to convert it into points.


What about all our scrum dominance? The inability to turn it into points, was wasted opportunities.


This wasn’t bad luck. It was tactical incapability. That’s why the scoreboard doesn’t reflect what we should have achieved.



BE
becsPro4,378 posts
23 Nov 2025, 21:51
#10
23 Nov 2025, 21:51#10

You should have put 50 points on them.

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