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What Frans Steyn did for us

Started by Chippo56 REPLIES1,135 VIEWS· 02 Nov 2019, 23:45
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
02 Nov 2019, 23:45
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02 Nov 2019, 23:45#1
Rassie Erasmus never mixed his words when he spoke about his 6 - 2 split.
Our forwards smashed, lambasted, walloped and kicked every opponent into the ground.
This was possible because 6 of the 8 forwards gave it their all for 50 - 60 minutes before being replaced by fresh, hard, fast and aggressive bench warmers.
We were able to do this split because Rassie had Frans Steyn in his armory.
Having Steyn on the bench effectively meant we had a good backup for 4 positions in the back line.His being able to cover so many positions gave us a HUGE advantage.
Here's to Rassies brain and Frans Steyn.
Fransie Steyn deserved his 2nd RWC winning medal.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Nov 2019, 23:50
#2
02 Nov 2019, 23:50#2

Brilliant point Chip-OU. A lesser observer wouldn't  have grasped this subtle point. It wasn't until Frans came on that the  Poms really knew they were licked.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2019, 00:19
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03 Nov 2019, 00:19#3
Disagree because Frans is now slow and lacks agility. He was exposed against the Argies but thankfully he never spent much time on the field in the vital games to be exposed I would much have preferred the far more creative and speedy Willemse to cover the Steyn role Willemse is comfortable at 10, 12 or 15 We got away with having Frans in the end
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
03 Nov 2019, 00:39
#4
03 Nov 2019, 00:39#4

thanks for your input Saffex.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2019, 00:46
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03 Nov 2019, 00:46#5
My pleasure as always Chip!!!
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Nov 2019, 01:59
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03 Nov 2019, 01:59#6

Frans was good enough to mop up after, another, Damian gaff around our 22. Preventing an England try. No. Frans was our best 12 at this world cup. How like you those supporting runs by Mostert, lending power to the tame Damian carries? 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Nov 2019, 04:53
#7
03 Nov 2019, 04:53#7

LMAO

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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
03 Nov 2019, 07:11
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03 Nov 2019, 07:11#8
Love him or loath him, Steyn is exactly the reason Rassie was able to do what he did. The younger chaps time will come now.
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JarheadRookie89 posts
03 Nov 2019, 09:14
#9
03 Nov 2019, 09:14#9
Well put chippo. That’s exactly what happened. Long live Frans Steyn.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Nov 2019, 09:45
#10
03 Nov 2019, 09:45#10

Congrats Chopped ou on stati ng the very obvious. 

That said I am still not convinced about how good Steyn currently is. Never saw enough of him. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Nov 2019, 09:47
#11
03 Nov 2019, 09:47#11

We saw enough. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Nov 2019, 09:54
#12
03 Nov 2019, 09:54#12

Who is we. Frans need a full game against top opposition. When did that happen. Oops it never did. 

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Nov 2019, 09:58
#13
03 Nov 2019, 09:58#13

We saw enough. The sight of Mostert - supposedly pap - driving Damian forward was a sad sight. Esterhuizen does better on his own, and he distributes. Frans too is better. Mopped up after the Damian tackle fail in our 22. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Nov 2019, 10:08
#14
03 Nov 2019, 10:08#14

Beeno

Steyn was used in the main as back-up given a limited time coming from the bench in tests  against the stronger teams we had to play in the WC and starting in minnow games.  In all the games he did play against minnows he had one good move and was a problem in defense, never to be rated higher than 6/10

Mozart and AO made a huge noise about the issue and was silly in the extreme.    The game yesterday was probably the last test Steyn played in for 12 minutes after he replaced Le Roux and if you read what Mozart and co said about the match one would think he was critically involved in the game - he was not involved at all in any of the tries scored - but Mozart as expected gave him a huge write-up.   What a farce.  

AO is still pushing Esterhuizen as a player ahead of De Allende.  LMAO     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Nov 2019, 10:10
#15
03 Nov 2019, 10:10#15

I identified but one incident: Frans cleaning up after a Damian missed tackle in our 22. Stopping tries is important, especially when closing out the game - refer to Ellis Park 2018 against die Schwarzwelle. 

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Nov 2019, 10:10
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03 Nov 2019, 10:10#16

It's all very sad Mike to see great posters having a poor run of form. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Nov 2019, 10:27
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03 Nov 2019, 10:27#17

One cannot even remember that the wonderful tackle Steyn made after De Allende missed it - must be another concoction of total BS dreamed up by the fool.   I expected that the poor two at least could admit that they were writing BS on site like Pakie did when he said he was wrong about things - Mozart and AO still keep on in writing total BS on site.   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Nov 2019, 10:31
#18
03 Nov 2019, 10:31#18

Ah, the "I'm going to pretend it didn't happen" card. To think, you are nearly three times my age! It doesn't show. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
03 Nov 2019, 12:18
#19
03 Nov 2019, 12:18#19

Never said that - but nobody bar you mentioned that as  game changer.   So what is needed here is that you stop being childish and start thinking for a change.  LOL.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
03 Nov 2019, 12:28
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03 Nov 2019, 12:28#20

You really need to clean up your grammar Lügnerin. It reads like something from The Colour Purple. Perhaps you are working excerpts from your own magnum opus onto Ruckers : The Colour Brown. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Nov 2019, 23:33
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03 Nov 2019, 23:33#21
Frans did nothing of note all WC and was thoroughly exposed in the Argie test pre the WC de Allende was not twice the player Frans was this WC he was 10 times the player. It’s like comparing Pollard to Morne Steyn
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Nov 2019, 02:44
#22
04 Nov 2019, 02:44#22

Damian was a carthorse with no skills. How embarrassing it was that "useless" Frans was on hand to take down the runner Damian flubbed in our 22 in the final. It sums up the gulf between the two; Damian's prime is unworthy to occupy the shadow of a twilight-years Frans. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Nov 2019, 02:55
#23
04 Nov 2019, 02:55#23

The Springboks won the World Cup

Team of the Year  -   Springboks

Coach of the Year -  Erasmus

Player of the Year -  Du  Toit

Idiot of the Year  -   AO aka Liza Page aka a dozen other User Names 

Co-Idiot of the Year - Mozart aka Shifty Schiff-Strzok


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Nov 2019, 02:55
#24
04 Nov 2019, 02:55#24

The Springboks won the World Cup

Team of the Year  -   Springboks

Coach of the Year -  Erasmus

Player of the Year -  Du  Toit

Idiot of the Year  -   AO aka Liza Page aka a dozen other User Names 

Co-Idiot of the Year - Mozart aka Shifty Schiff-Strzok


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Nov 2019, 02:56
#25
04 Nov 2019, 02:56#25

Still firing blanks. You come off as the Aids Skrillex of Bok rugby! 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Nov 2019, 02:58
#26
04 Nov 2019, 02:58#26

The Springboks won the World Cup

Team of the Year  -   Springboks

Coach of the Year -  Erasmus

Player of the Year -  Du  Toit

Idiot of the Year  -   AO aka Liza Page aka a dozen other User Names 

Co-Idiot of the Year - Mozart aka Shifty Schiff-Strzok


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Nov 2019, 02:58
#27
04 Nov 2019, 02:58#27

The Springboks won the World Cup

Team of the Year  -   Springboks

Coach of the Year -  Erasmus

Player of the Year -  Du  Toit

Idiot of the Year  -   AO aka Liza Page aka a dozen other User Names 

Co-Idiot of the Year - Mozart aka Shifty Schiff-Strzok


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Nov 2019, 06:13
#28
04 Nov 2019, 06:13#28

Allende had to make 2 open field tackles on backs....one on an isolated May on the English goal line. He makes that tackle we likely score.The second on Watson running up the right flank in a potential try scoring position. 

Allende misses both tackles, but fortunately Frans stops Watson.


Allende is given credit for his defence, but he remains very vulnerable in space or when some anticipation is required.  

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Nov 2019, 09:58
#29
04 Nov 2019, 09:58#29

Frans missed that tackle technically as well - but Watson went down and  not held could have gotten up and went on the score a try had it not been for Du Toit who caused Watson to knock on the ball in the process, 

When describing a scene on the site - please for a change be correct in what you wrote.   .      

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Nov 2019, 11:33
#30
04 Nov 2019, 11:33#30

Not only vulnerable in space, but he still lacks upper body strength. It's amazing how one game changes everyone's perception of reality. Now Damian "rediscovered" his game. He never had it in the first place, and didn't have it at this world cup. We are a team hamstrung by mediocrity. If we could only select our very best, we'd literally be unstoppable right now. But, that's South Africa, wasting its potential on superficial feel-good nonsense. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Nov 2019, 11:52
#31
04 Nov 2019, 11:52#31

Duplication

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Nov 2019, 11:52
#32
04 Nov 2019, 11:52#32

AO

You remain the expert in writing BS on site.   It has been going on for years.   Remember that incident when Steyn landed on his arsehole on the grass when he tried to tackle De Allende - not once - but twice in the same game?

And how many tacklers does it take to bring De Allende - routinely two or three and he always manage to get the ball back while going forwards in the tackle.   How many tackles does he make causing the ball carrier to go backwards when tackled and how many possession turnovers has he affected in games?   That from a player you dimwit called having weak upper body strength.  How stupid can this idiot get??????????       

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Nov 2019, 11:56
#33
04 Nov 2019, 11:56#33
Oh what utter crap - that was no tackle by Frans, again his agility is exposed, he somehow gets one hand on Watson in I kind of hand trip. Frans was exposed by Watson it was a fluke he got him down What a load of utter shit - you highlight de Allende’s missed tackles what about all the huge ones he put in? What about all his carries into traffic so effective poor Ford was shown the exit de Allende was huge all WC, as Greenwood said - vital to our WC Frans Steyn did absolutely nothing all WC - not a single thing of note Frans is past it and it showed, great player in his day but that was more than 5 years ago PSDT, Vermeulen, Faf, Pollard, de Allende and Kolbe were our stars this WC
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Nov 2019, 12:04
#34
04 Nov 2019, 12:04#34

Which "huge" tackles? Damian was very often driven forward by a forward. A couple of burrows into the line - his primary weapon is the mole burrow. Damian was not vital, but one of the reasons why our backplay was so putrid throughout the World Cup. Another whose absence upgrades the team. He remains a myth. 

@Lügnerin: I'm still waiting for you to reference one instance of the mythical Steph production. Can it be that you are emotionally attached to him for no reason whatsoever? How sad. 

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Nov 2019, 12:19
#35
04 Nov 2019, 12:19#35
de Allende was huge all WC - vital in our go forward
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Nov 2019, 12:42
#36
04 Nov 2019, 12:42#36

If he was as you say, then it'll be no trouble whatsoever to reference something. How can it be that you are so devout in your belief, yet have no reason for that belief? Your entrenched circular thinking is not a good look. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Nov 2019, 12:52
#37
04 Nov 2019, 12:52#37

The Springboks won the World Cup

Team of the Year  -   Springboks

Coach of the Year -  Erasmus

Player of the Year -  Du  Toit

Idiot of the Year  -   AO aka Liza Page aka a dozen other User Names 

Co-Idiot of the Year - Mozart aka Shifty Schiff-Strzok.


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Nov 2019, 13:02
#38
04 Nov 2019, 13:02#38
It’s evidenced in every game he has played this WC what more do you want His physicality has been huge I’m sure it was you who said de Allende was not strong physically was it not? That is how fucking stupid and ignorant you are
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
04 Nov 2019, 13:05
#39
04 Nov 2019, 13:05#39

What more do I want? One piece of evidence. I'm telling you it's not there. 

I said Damian is weak in the upper body, I have been correct. Hence his burrows when he runs. Opponents have been using his leg drive off a weak shoulder against him more recently, sending him sideways. Perhaps why Rassie, in all his genius, assigned a forward to lend power to his carries. Something Esterhuizen does better on his own, better than the combined efforts of Damian and the supporting forward. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Nov 2019, 13:07
#40
04 Nov 2019, 13:07#40

Shit - this is unbelievable - really so.

The Springboks won the World Cup

Team of the Year  -   Springboks

Coach of the Year -  Erasmus

Player of the Year -  Du  Toit

Idiot of the Year  -   AO aka Liza Page aka a dozen other User Names 

Co-Idiot of the Year - Mozart aka Shifty Schiff-Strzok.


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