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What happened to Israel Dagg?

Started by clevermike14 REPLIES334 VIEWS· 20 Sept 2013, 10:53
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2013, 10:53
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20 Sept 2013, 10:53#1
Last year there could have been no debate on the issue - Dagg was the best full back in world rugby. However, this year in Super 15 - when not injured - he was average to poor in Super 15 and showed nothing in tests either. His defence became a joke in bad taste. What has gone wrong with the guy or is 2013 a year he would rather forget about in rugby terms?
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Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
20 Sept 2013, 11:17
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20 Sept 2013, 11:17#2

Dagg has been really good at AB level but I agree at s15 level pretty average.

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Sept 2013, 11:55
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20 Sept 2013, 11:55#3

 

Dagg is a shadow of the man that broke onto the scene a few years back.

 

I would rate him probably a smidge above Kirchner at this stage in time.

 

Definitely NOT the best 15 in the world anymore.

 

Anscombe is streets ahead of him in my opinion ... so is Folau and for that matter ... Halfpenny and O'Connior.

 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Sept 2013, 12:01
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20 Sept 2013, 12:01#4

Best fullback in this year's S15 was Charles Piutau . . . by some distance in my never humble opinion!

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WardadPro6,663 posts
20 Sept 2013, 12:28
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20 Sept 2013, 12:28#5

 A mate told me to keep an eye on PIatau pre-season and he was right on the money .

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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
20 Sept 2013, 12:38
#6
20 Sept 2013, 12:38#6

 

His exposure to test rugby will mature the lad and he'll be better for it come next year's super rugby.

 

The difference will be tangible.

 

 

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
20 Sept 2013, 13:08
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20 Sept 2013, 13:08#7

not enitrely true mike, israel dagg was awesome against the french and the wallabies and once he returned to spXV after the hune test eries, was the best fullback in the comp bar none.

was well below his usual self against the Boks though, and judgment seems to be made about his last performance instead of looking at the picture as a whole.
one average test and 7 great tests still has him as the best fullback in the world IMO and easily in the spXV.

i also think that ben smith was the best fullback in spXV, but ive got no problems with piutau being rated the best, those two were IMO the best 15 period with anscombe not too far behind.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
20 Sept 2013, 13:30
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20 Sept 2013, 13:30#8

True, Sasuke. I forgot about Ben Smith because these days we think of him as wing but yes, he did start most games at fullback in the S15 and yes, he had another fantastic season.

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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
20 Sept 2013, 13:51
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20 Sept 2013, 13:51#9
Rob Kearney isn't far from that list, its a pity he's ha too many injuries that seemed to have taken a lot out of him. But, he's loads better than any of SA fullback at the moment.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2013, 14:03
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20 Sept 2013, 14:03#10
Sasue I was not overly-impressed by Dagg in tests this year either. I consequently look at this ESPN stats fro all tests and found the following:- Dagg 0/0 0 3/7/9 35 0 1 1 1 3/0 0/0 0 0/0 Dagg 0/0 0 13/6/17 124 2 5 0 1 2/1 1/0 1 0/0 Dagg 0/1 0 9/19/17 97 0 0 1 2 1/1 0/0 0 0/0 Dagg 0/1 0 5/7/2 19 0 0 0 0 0/1 1/0 0 0/0 Dagg 0/1 3 13/8/10 77 1 2 1 0 0/2 0/0 2 0/0 Dagg 0/0 0 4/4/10 35 0 1 1 2 1/0 1/0 2 0/0 Dagg 0/0 0 1/4/1 5 0 0 0 2 0/0 0/0 0 0/0 I must admit that he had two good tests performances - but for the rest was not really top class - matter of fact rather average. I noted that in the eight tests played Dagg made 7 tackles and he missed 5 tackles. That is just not good enough - even from a full back. He also gave away 5 penalties - not really acceptable as well. The above was my main reason to state that thus far this year he was not up to the standard he displayed last year. To my mind Halfpenny has a legitimate claim to be rated as best full back this year
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hakwaPro4,146 posts
20 Sept 2013, 15:53
#11
20 Sept 2013, 15:53#11
I'd pick Dagg over Folau any day!
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
20 Sept 2013, 16:47
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20 Sept 2013, 16:47#12
Hakwa My point should not be seen as a negative - I am merely saying that compared to his very high standards of last year - he was comparatively less effective thus far this year.
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BuzzClub Pro175 posts
20 Sept 2013, 18:44
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20 Sept 2013, 18:44#13

 Players have dips in form , it's not a mystery. 

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IhiClub Pro201 posts
21 Sept 2013, 04:07
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21 Sept 2013, 04:07#14

 dagg was never the complete player if you brung him into the game he can attack but it ends there. the irishvfullback is the best

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WardadPro6,663 posts
21 Sept 2013, 09:48
#15
21 Sept 2013, 09:48#15

 He is a bit like Nonu as rehgards his S15 performance vs his ABS games .

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