Eben at 7

I have been impressed by the considerable pace Eben shows. With all these micro forwards playing for the Stormers I would like to see him at 7. Kolbe at 9 and find a decent sized pacy wing. We also need a bigger hard grafting hooker ASAP. Forward domination has been surrendered. 
Fleckie give me a call oak!

 Beeno
Why switch Etzebeth to 7 and what do you want to do with Du Toit?   The latter has a much higher work rate and pace than Etzebeth.    The need remains proper wings - not the microlights. 
I see Mozart is onto his standard campaign - he is demonizing Viljoen to bring back another micrrolight - the toothless De Jong.  The latter is terrible in defense and has no punch as well as no off-loads and poor passing.
The Stormers has lost the game plan because of injury to De Allende and Dan du Plessis.   I am not sure what Du Preez is up to - under pressure he seems to lose it.  
    

Actually Eben is much faster than Stephanie....it's not even close. Still a flank needs to be very agile, neither Eben nor Stephanie are agile enough to play on the flank.

"Actually Eben is much faster than Stephanie....it's not even close."
Pfffffffffffffffhahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
This board is a hoot!
Eben Etzebeth might be faster than some things but Pieter-Steph du Toit is not one of them.
Things that the lumbering donkey Etzebeth might be faster than:
A three-legged tortoiseMoffie's zimmer-framePieter-Steph du Toit's granny wearing ankle weights 
A geriatric garden snailAn Eskom call centre agent

Well....how is your man Notsche doing Urinal 139? He was straight into the Bok team according to you. . Etzebeth gassed Ben Smith a few years back.....Stephanie couldn't gas Will Skelton.

"Etzebeth gassed Ben Smith a few years back"
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaha!
This gets better!
Gassed? As in farted . . . or are you actually saying that the slow and ponderous Eben Etzebeth runs faster than Ben Smith?
Yeah right! Ben Smith would give Eben Etzebeth 20m start and still beat him if he was swimming and Eben was running.
LMAO!

 Mozart
Can you prove that statement of  Etzebeth being much  faster than Du Toit?   I doubt that one very much  and there is no way it is possible.   If Etzebeth is so speedy how come he has a relative low work rate in virtually all games played?
Prejudice playing havoc again?  

Ou Maaik, unless I'm the unwitting victim of a very clumsy attempt at humour or sarcasm, I think Moffie is now suggesting that Eben "Flash" Etzebeth is not just faster than Pieter-Steph du Toit, he's faster than Ben Smith as well!
I reckon if Moffie has another glass of wine he'll be telling us that Eben Etzebeth beat Usain Bolt before deciding to take up rugby rather than athletics.
LMAO!

Hmmmmmmmm......LMAOFY! Here's the thread where I posted it andthe Kiwis on the site agreed, and ....hahaha, Mike was right there on the thread. Enjoy your crow Urinal and Mike......

mozart
 
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October 11, 2013, 14:48:00

Is there any more valuable forward in the game today? Well maybe Read in his current form. But in going slowly through Ellis Park for the mozcroscope, I kept on coming across Etzebeth. Massive in every sense of the word.

 

Here's one for Etzebeth fans.....check out minute 48 carefully....he actually gasses Ben Smith up the left hand touchline. In the immortal words of Humphrey, I kid you not. Geez if you take that into account and recall that Steyn monstered Retallik, I'm not sure how we lost to these feeble ABs

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Cloudy
 
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October 11, 2013, 14:58:59

 Yeah but then he coughed it up to Wood[removed]...lol he's good though ..always in my fantasy team 

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nukefreekiwi
 
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October 11, 2013, 15:35:08

 Yeah. I don't share the Saffa love affair with their revered "enforcer".   Lady Elizabeth is a half decent player but I wouldn't get too excited. Last year you Okes were getting all "hard" over Goosen and Franna. The year before that it was Hougard and Lambie. The year before that it was DuPreez and Brussouw. It's unfortunate but a solid case could be made arguing an inverse correlation between the voracity of fanboy support for a Bokke player and their subsequent decline (whether through injury, loss of form or loss of favour).  So much unrealised potential in the Republic OR they were never as good as the hype would have us believe.  I'm not yet suggesting that Liz isn't a great player or that he is losing form but his progress appears stifled and has shown signs of plateauing.  Besides,  I'm yet to see all these gushing plaudits actually amount to any significant silverware accumulation in recent years. 






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Just_win
 
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October 11, 2013, 16:40:43

I always pick him for Fantasy Rugby (and also Whitelock) but what I remember of the stats Whitelock did well by comparison in the last test and overall I rate Whitelock more highly.

 

That long run Etzebeth had was fantastic and he showed real spead. He is young and I believe he needs to have a lock that can compliment what he has to offer. Early days yet.

 



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clevermike
 
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October 11, 2013, 17:39:57

Just-win

 

I also pick both Etzebeth and Sam Whitelock for my fantasy teams, but like in the last test where Etzebeth got 25 points and Whitelock 17 - he has constantly outscored Whitelock in the points system in virtually every test and he ended up ranked higher than Whitelock - who came in fourth with Etzebeth coming first.  In essence that means that he constantly performed better than Whitelock in the series.

 

Althoough I rate Whitelock highly as a lock - he is by  some distance the best lock in New Zealand - I am afraid that he is not on par with Etzebeth - who at this very early stage in his career - he still is only 21 years of age - must be rated as the best lock in the world rugby by some distance.   



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 What a stupid argument.

What part?

LMAO!
"What part?"
Duh-huh!

 All of it.

Oh okay...so you also think Etzebeth is a slow lock.

Total schplotttt fest hahahaha. Stephanie is not nearly the athlete Etzebeth is....mobile for a lock but certainly not faster than average. Etzebeth as I said gassed Ben smith.

Wehe! Look how angry the doddering old fool is getting because no-one is buying his pathetic fantasy that Eben Etzebeth is faster than Ben Smith!
LMAO!
Uh-oh . . . and there go the margins! You can almost feel the rage!

Let's be precise....I said Etzebeth gassed Ben Smith a few years back. I then took you back to the post where I made that point.....Cloudy, Nukefree and JW tacitly accepted the proposition. And Cloudy directly agreed by saying 'Yeah but he then coughed it up...'. So obviously she watched the incident and concurred. . Game, set and match.....again.

"Why won't anyone believe me that Eben is the world's fastest rugby player? It's not fair! How much more proof do you all need? Sniff, I wish Eben would put his big arms around me and make me feel all better again . . . mmmmmmm . . . Eben . . . oh Eben . . ."
LMAO!

 Dr Moz, ou rooiwtit has a very slim grasp on reality as we all know.  He is very narrow minded and unable to consid er new ideas. A brain washed dope who regurgitates the PC  BS etc. You know what I mean.Ou maaaaikie  wake up oak! 
The fact Is Eben is exceptionally mobile and very physical. If one were looking for a big  mobile 7 he could do a job for the Stormers and maybe the Boks. Imagine him flattening wee Ben Smith or  beau bar rat or colliding with  wee bent Read  - a nightmare for the kbbs.

Well Urinal knows he has been upstaged once again....so he is doing his usual catty stuff . Ignore the lush, pretty soon he'll have his fourth pop and fall asleep drooling in his chair.

 It's  plaon stupid to slate Eben, no Moz, I don't think he's slow.

Agree with that Draad......with silly articles being written about him and fans like Mike and Urinal, soon he'll tire of it all and take one of the lucrative contracts he has no doubt been offered up north.

What a load of twaddle we have here.   What is clear is that the idea of playing locks as loosies have no merit whatsoever.   Mozart has been in a campaign against Du Toit since he came on the scene and cannot get over that dislike so one has to accept that his prejudice knows no bounds.  
That should always be taken into account.  He is not dealing with facts - only fiction - when it comes to some players and Du Toit is just one of his long list of dislikes.   Just take note that once he gave a player his own peculiar nickname do not take his opin ions on players seriously.       

That's 4 Tokkie....once again you become personal.

 Playing Itsabutt at blind side Hasbeeno? Thank God you are not on t he Mild Zephyrs' coaching staff!The only reason you think he's fast is because his fellow forwards are like cart horses.I clearly remember Reid "gassing" Itsabutt down the left touchline in a test in SA 3-4 years back. Apparently Reid has now been signed to play fullback for the Highlanders following Moz' startling revelation about Smith....

 Rooie Elizabeth has been seen to outrun continental drift and is considerably faster than Beandork getting a clue .

Itsabutt, pretty good Moola.....hahaha.....I takei it from your description you didn't see Itsabutt gassing wee Smith down rhe wing?

 What I wrote is neither personal - nor insulting.   It is merely stating a factual situation as to postings.     

Well ... this doesn't surprise me at all.

According to beandip, Fleckie's the man for the job ... and leaking 7 trys as an average against all comers isn't an issue ... so his latest absurdity of selecting our specialist lock out of position is generally what's to be expected fromt this dim-witted dweeb.

Etzebeth is our new found wizard at 7, huh? Who would have thought so ... and Mozart is in support?

LOL!!!!!!!!!

Usually it takes a desperate situation to select a specialist out of position ... say like when a team is a man down due to a red card ... but these poor dears want to do so without reason.

Oh well ... maybe both suffered a severe injury to the head as youngsters. How else would you explain this?

 Was Ben Smith lying down when Itsabutt gassed him Moz ?

 
A few glasses too many has been known to cause hallucinations.

I would love to see the film footage of our speedy Eben cleaning up the plodding Smith .

 Gentlemen - I know the answer - Etzebeth was running - while Ben Smith was creeping. 
But then we have the case here of people saying that the player who was constantly moonlighting in the backline was a top lock - so what else can one expect.
And we also have a case where the loosie combination is merely an extension of the Tight 5 and you can play props as loosies - like happened in the case of Fat Willem - the worst insult to loosies who ever wore the Springbok jersey.   We also have the case of Louw who has been used for years as an opensider - while at a stretch he could perhaps be used as a blindsider - as a result Louw whent AWOL for lengthy periods  during matches.
Until the issue of usage and capabilities required from loosies are realized we will have this kind of issues raised on this site.    

Duplicate

 Moz do you mean that Itsabutt passed wind whilst running near Ben Smith ?

Nope it's true....I pointed it out after the game and Nukefree, JW and Cloudy never contested the point. But if he gassed him WD we know Smith never caught up.....haha. . As for me being happy with Eben at 7, what part of: "neither Eben nor Stephanie are agile enough to play on the flank" is confusiing you CC?

 this is nonsense,... to believe that some underperforming players are going to improve playing them out of position is as delusional as the whole Beeno's world

Etzebeth is not a flanker, never will be,.... and is too late to change kolbe to the scrummie position,.... scrummie is the most specific position in rugby,.... you need to play there since young to learn the game,...

 Mozart
A f air question - was Willem Alberts agile enough?

 
Fair enough, Mozart.

Yet you fancied the plodding Alberts at 6. What gives with that?

Where you a little confused at the time?

Alberts was a very effective ball carrier in the hard yards brigade.....and put in some of the biggest hits in the game. He provided blocky power....Eben and Stephanie don't....Willemse does. And whatever mobility Alberts lacked, Matfield compensated for....it worked pretty well, we tended to beat everybody except NZ. ...

 So is the famous carries of Alberts with an average gain of 1,8 meters per carry very effective?   And his number of missed tackles were a disgrace as well.   But the question is was he agile enough to be a loosie?  
Another mix up I believe.  Have a physically deficient lock and use a physical loosie to off-set the deficiency - so was Matfield a stand in loosie or merely moonlighting in the backline?
Being it as it may - neither Alberts or Matfield was any good in ball protection and recovery because Matfield was physically too weak and Alberts to paceless to get to breakdown points.  
Matfield when younger was a good enough lock despite his physical deficiency.   The back up was Bakkies - another lock,   If a loosie has to stand in it means there is never a full team on the field of play with a half-baked lock and a half-baked loosie it effectively reduced the team by one player.