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What Pieter-Steph du Toit said at halftime semi final to save the Springboks Rugby World Cup

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Feb 2024, 17:19
#1
17 Feb 2024, 17:19#1

The great Steph Du Toit the strong silent time making a difference in the dressing room.

Here is a great video of Pollard sinking that kick. Note the calmness, as he slowly goes back to his mark then effortlessly strokes the ball splitting the uprights.

This Bok side has to be the toughest bunch mentally of ant RWC tournament.





MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Feb 2024, 18:50
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17 Feb 2024, 18:50#2

Very informative HasBeen… our coaches were so clueless that it took one of the senior players to say ‘we have to fight’? Hahaha the genius Eluckmiss couldn’t come up with that.


Also it’s nice to hear the emphasis on the Pollard kick. Best strike of his life, without which the WC is toast.

Stick with moz for the honest scoop.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Feb 2024, 20:50
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17 Feb 2024, 20:50#3

Mozart 

Get your House n order - no it is the sayings of a teammate that rules and who put to put the idea that players must motivate each  other during  games came directly from Erasmus.   It is part of the team spirit the Springboks display during  matches. that wo he 2019 and 2023 World Cups.           

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Feb 2024, 21:28
#4
17 Feb 2024, 21:28#4

Oh so teammates trump coaches…got it. Why not family members?

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2024, 00:19
#5
18 Feb 2024, 00:19#5

 Stupidity Alet warning.   

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2024, 00:19
#6
18 Feb 2024, 00:19#6

 Stupidity Alet warning.   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Feb 2024, 00:43
#7
18 Feb 2024, 00:43#7

Thanks for ‘aleting ’ us.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Feb 2024, 04:37
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18 Feb 2024, 04:37#8
Sounds like drinks time ............ could be Irish ..... 'I'm off to a bit of the aleting ....... don't wait up' .
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Feb 2024, 07:22
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18 Feb 2024, 07:22#9

PSDT...one of the greatest players playing the game...take note Moz...the one thing they needed to change things, to turn things around: "our scrum"...and what a fcn kick to finish it!!!

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Feb 2024, 11:37
#10
18 Feb 2024, 11:37#10

Mozzietard still thinks rugby is a one man game.

The poor oak has lost his way. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2024, 12:42
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18 Feb 2024, 12:42#11
Another weak attempt to discredit our genius coach Not even worth a response Sooo looking forward to Chasing the Sun 2 - behind the scenes of our brilliant side directed by one of the best coaches to ever coach the game
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2024, 13:47
#12
18 Feb 2024, 13:47#12

Final comment on Mozart

There are a leadership group in any team and Mozart now claims otherwise.   Du Toit is a key player in that leadership group and so is De Allende - but Mozart continuously atatcked them and had been for more than a decade.    There is no reason for his constant  attacks on them and the coach other than  an advanced degree of rugby idiocy.           

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Feb 2024, 14:53
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18 Feb 2024, 14:53#13

The genius coach apparently said nothing and Steff added the intellectual content when he said ‘oaks we have to play harder’. Hahaha. 

It was the kick stoopid!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2024, 15:08
#14
18 Feb 2024, 15:08#14
Who said the coach said nothing?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2024, 17:04
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18 Feb 2024, 17:04#15

Mozart makes u p BS  all over the site.   

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Feb 2024, 18:40
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18 Feb 2024, 18:40#16
Pollard….listen to the video. Everybody was shell shocked, nobody was saying anything. And then a miracle Dud Toit who never speaks found his voice and said oaks we must play harder. Therin lies the genius
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2024, 21:15
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18 Feb 2024, 21:15#17
Bullshit you will find Rassie will have said his thing, he always does That huddle with PSDT would have been after the coaches had their say It’s the time the players get together and one of them have their say - Pollard is referring to the fact that non of the players said anything until PSDT did That in itself would have had a huge impact given it was out of character for PSDT to speak Fuck Moz you know so little about some obvious things in rugby
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Feb 2024, 21:18
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18 Feb 2024, 21:18#18

Well whatever he said had no effect according to Pollard….the players were still shell shocked….this whole thing reminds me of when the players saved PdV.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2024, 21:25
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18 Feb 2024, 21:25#19
Bullshit we all know Rassie has a massive impact on the players. Words are taken on board, strategies are changed that does not mean a switch is turned on in the players they will still be dealing with how the first half went It has to come from one of the players to get them fired up in the huddle. The coach has his say then the players huddle just before going out again I take it you never watched Chasing the Sun for if you had you would not be making the ignorant calls about Rassie You are clueless Moz seriously
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Feb 2024, 21:47
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18 Feb 2024, 21:47#20

So a coach can’t get the players fired up…..our whole WC rested on a guy who says nothing suddenly leading the discussion. Failing that we fail, and that was the plan.

Hell that’s even less likely a plan than leaving our WC down to three last minute kicks.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2024, 22:19
#21
18 Feb 2024, 22:19#21
Geez Moz you clearly have never played the game at any meaningful level - that is as apparent as it comes The player huddle and the coaches chat are two different things So you are telling us that Rassie the coach that now has two WC’s and a Lions series has no idea what to say to his players and is incapable of motivating them at any point I hear you loud and clear
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Feb 2024, 22:23
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18 Feb 2024, 22:23#22
Moz but I’m happy to talk you through what happens in the change room at halftime
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Feb 2024, 23:31
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18 Feb 2024, 23:31#23

I aw when Erasmus met the players and walked with them to the change-room and he obviously gave his assessment to the players about the game thus far and then the senior players follow suit.

I have never seen such  BS deductions like Mozart did in this case.    He  never understood how Erasmus deals with the players and encourage them to speak about issues they consider  to be important.   S Mozart twisted that approach as BS  and twisted it around into BS.    .            .        

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Feb 2024, 01:18
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19 Feb 2024, 01:18#24

Dave I’m not telling you anything. I’m simply repeating what Pollard said in the video which you can access above. The coach had obviously had his say, but follow me closely now, the players were still shell shocked until Dud Toit spoke. It couldn’t be plainer.

So let’s see what had to happen for the Boks to win the WC:

1 Marx had to get injured so there was an opportunity to call up Pollard who hadn’t been selected. And Fourie had to be available to avoid the need for calling up a real replacement hooker

2 Du Pont had so be head butted by the Namibian to take away prep time for the Frogs and leave him at way less than peak form.

3 Ramos had to miss a crucial kick and Pollard had to make a harder one.

4 Eluckmiss had to get Pollard on in the Pom test and yank Libbok at minute 31.

5 Dud Toit had to break his silence to tell the team to  er.. .play harder…. after the coaches had failed to impart any urgency. According to HasBeen that saved the WC.

6 Steward had to crazily kick a vertical up and under on the halfway at minute 76 vs trying for the 50/22 or a deep kick….yielding a scrum and the winning Pollard penalty.

7 Cane had to be red carded in the first half giving the ABs a net 40 minute man disadvantage (a handicap of 10 points) and Kolisi had to only get a yellow for a much more dangerous tackle.

8 Both Barrett and Mo’unga had to miss kicks giving the ABs a 50% kicking success ratio, while Pollard had to land  all 4 of our kicks. This all depending on a man who Eluckmiss never selected in the first place

…..They don’t call him Eluckmiss for nothing.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Feb 2024, 08:46
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19 Feb 2024, 08:46#25

The fact is who called him Eluckmus -the only time I see that usage  came from you - arsewipe.   But then you were in the change- room and saw and heard everything so we musta all accept your true imagination account as to what happened.   You sound more and more like Biden - who came across as big  a liar as you are.    It is really tragic to see what you became on site.   .   .    .   

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Feb 2024, 12:02
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19 Feb 2024, 12:02#26
What a load of utter shit - what about everything else that had to happen - all those scrums, all those line outs, all those passes, all those tackles, all those rucks, all those mauls, all those breaks, all those defenders beaten, all those kicks made, all those kicks received…… As an education Moz this is what happens at halftime in a change room. The players usually sit on the benches with the coaches stationed in the middle giving their assessment of what’s worked and what’s not and how they are to approach the second half. At this stage the players are silent, there is no shouting or input from the players or any geeing the players up. The coaches job is then done. Thereafter the players get into a huddle where in the past it was the captain that had his say but these days it can be any of the senior players/leaders that take it upon themselves to say something - this is where the players gee themselves up ready for the second half battle If you had ever played the game you would know all this Besides Moz no one calls him Eluckmiss other than you. No one else is stupid enough to conclude that two WC wins, yes two, a RC and a Lions series victory is down to Rassie being lucky. No one else
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Feb 2024, 13:15
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19 Feb 2024, 13:15#27

But Dave our opponents beat more defenders, made more metres, made way more passes and offloads. In general play the only thing we really did consistently better was scrum. Our defense kept us in there….which meant the WC was decided between their kickers and our kicker. Fortunately our kicker was better so we won the WC.

There was obviously competent coaching of the set pieces and defense. But genius ….nah….the traditional South African will to win and luck. Huge truck  loads of luck,

As for the education bit Dave, I accept your description on the half time routine, I also accept Pollard’s description of what actually happened….that the team remained shell shocked until Dud Toit broke his silence and told them to get a wake up. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Feb 2024, 13:31
#28
19 Feb 2024, 13:31#28
Your take on those stats is also nonsense and the game is not won on how many breaks a team makes or line outs are won it’s the collective of everything that happens on the field and where it happens and whether pressure is converted into points or not If one had to rely on your stats alone one would have to conclude that all these teams looked better than the Boks on the day when reality tells us something completely different. No the coaches talk on tactics and the teams direction for the second half is not going to take away any shell shock, nor would PSDT few words. His words would just gee the team up when you are linked together and about to go back out to battle. It’s when the huddle becomes a squeeze and some shouting and encouragement happens. On this occasion the quiet PSDT ignited that - no doubt the game before it might have been Eben as we have witnessed in the past or Vermeulen or Kolisi It’s very well documented how good Rassie is at identifying where things need to change in a game and how brilliant he is with people management and how well respected and loved he is by his players You trying to imply differently is part of your weak attempt to discredit one of the best coaches the game has ever seen. Moz the fact that you are the only one that spends day after day trying to discredit Rassie with the record he has makes you look like a fool. Find me an article out there or the view of any other supporter out there that shares your views on Rassie (and we are not counting Doos as he is about as credible as my cat)
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Feb 2024, 14:03
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19 Feb 2024, 14:03#29
Dave we have the best forward pack in the world by a mile, we have the most dangerous broken field runners and we have the kicker every fan would choose to kick the crucial kick to win the WC.
We should win….but we were extremely fortunate to win….by definition. You don’t win three one point games in a row without being lucky. The more puzzling question is how could we be in that position playing against a weak English team and a man up for 40 minutes against NZ…..with all those resources.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Feb 2024, 15:00
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19 Feb 2024, 15:00#30
The notion that we are that much better than other sides is bullshit as is calling the English side a weak one. One would swear we were favourites going into the WC. As for your take on the final it’s flawed. It would have some merit if we had 15 players for 80min, it was not raining and we had a specialist hooker for 80min There is no luck in winning 3 games in a row by 1 point, it’s something far more than luck The achievement by the Boks and Rassie was simply brilliant especially considering the route to achieving it. Putting it down to luck is simply just childish
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Feb 2024, 21:15
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19 Feb 2024, 21:15#31

If you win by 1 point….be conservative….the other side had to have a 1 in 3 chance of winning. Or our chances of winning, being very optimistic was 67% in each game.

Then the chances of winning all three are .67X.67X.67 or 30%. Damn lucky.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Feb 2024, 21:47
#32
19 Feb 2024, 21:47#32

So where is  your answer n who calls  Eramus that BdS name?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Feb 2024, 21:58
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19 Feb 2024, 21:58#33
Bullshit we won because we were better than the other teams - we converted our pressure into points regardless of whether the margin was by one or twenty Fact is we got through the toughest WC ever and we won it - that is a fantastic achievement by a brilliant team directed by a brilliant coach Moz you discrediting this achievement and the coach is nothing short of fucking pathetic. The rest of SA are rejoicing while you bitch and moan about our coach and childishly put every victory down to luck Fuck me Moz, it’s a good thing you only look stupid amongst a handful of us on this board and thankfully for your sake it’s not to the wider world It must be hard being you when it comes to supporting the Boks - you find no positives in it and I can’t begin to understand why you dislike our coach so much. It all makes zero sense Fuck me you can’t even watch a 6N game without having some reference to the Boks regarding a game that has nothing to do with the Boks Do you secretly hope the Boks lose every game. What part of you is the Bok supporter? You dislike half the team and you hate the coach so how can you want them to win a game?
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
19 Feb 2024, 22:32
#34
19 Feb 2024, 22:32#34
Well Pollard doesn’t say if Rassie said some motivational things to the team…just that they were shell shocked and Pieter,s words gave the necessary wake up to defend harder …Rassie definitely had his say, but according to this interview with Pollard, he was sharing the impact Pieter,s words made….the obvious thing for me is despite the limited Game plan, this group had the pure will to win…we can be so much better than just 1 point.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Feb 2024, 22:40
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19 Feb 2024, 22:40#35

‘We converted our pressure into points’….you are finally getting it Dave, Pollard made his kicks….Ramos, Mo’unga and Barrett didn’t.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Feb 2024, 22:52
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19 Feb 2024, 22:52#36
Fuck me Moz did Polkard score all the points against France, England and NZ, did he win those scrums that resulted in penalties Fuck me Moz wake up man But more to the point - do you support the Boks - it’s a serious question as I just can’t understand how you can
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
19 Feb 2024, 23:02
#37
19 Feb 2024, 23:02#37

Dave you support the Boks come hell or high water, except of course when Jake was the coach. I always support the Boks, I picked them in every WC game…but I don’t pretend they are playing great rugby when they aren’t. There wasn’t one statement performance by the Boks in the whole WC. And in the two WCs there was one, against England in 2019…and I called it exactly that.

We played stupid rugby and we were lucky to win.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Feb 2024, 23:21
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19 Feb 2024, 23:21#38
Bullshit I have always supported the Boks I just never rated Jake. Jake had a great bunch of players - I’m always pro 95% of the players we select, unlike you who has an issue with most of our players and you can’t stand the coach so I’m struggling to understand how you can support the Boks As for us playing stupid rugby that is simply not true. One would swear all the other sides in the WC had statement performances? As for luck bullshit - I’ll tell you what is a statement, a statement is having to face Scotland, Ireland, France, England and NZ and winning the think - that right there my friend is a statement to be proud of Since when was knockout WC rugby about how attractive the game is played A statement performance was the game against the AB’s at Twickers, but we all know that that kind of rugby does not materialise in a knockout WC game against the likes of France, England and NZ - get real Moz I thought how we won those games and the intensity of those battles was simply brilliant - give me that over the Twickers encounter anyday. Those games were epic arm wrestles that came down to the wire like WC matches do
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
20 Feb 2024, 01:30
#39
20 Feb 2024, 01:30#39
You’re entitled to your opinion Dave, I just don’t share it. And obviously Erasmus gets that there are deficiencies….thus a new coaching staff with a different approach to the game.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
20 Feb 2024, 10:23
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20 Feb 2024, 10:23#40
New coaching staff to replace Neinaber and Jones and yes Rassie is not perfect - he selects Mostert :)
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