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What Rassie should ahve learnt dfrom the last test

Started by clevermike14 REPLIES800 VIEWS· 26 Aug 2018, 10:42
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2018, 10:42
#1
26 Aug 2018, 10:42#1

There are a couple of particular issues of note that should be taken into account by him insofar as the rest of theRC is concerned,   Those are -


*   that the center combination is not what can win matches consistently;

*   that there are serious problems with the loosie combination; and

*   the lock combination did not work as required.


The center combination


Esterhuizen looked good when he made line breaks, but what happened then - zero in effect,   The Argntinians ended up with the ball after each of the line breaks.   For the rest he handled the ball 16 times and passed the ball 3 times and off-loaded it twice.   That does not make for any positive contribution and in fact it represents a classical case of ball hogging, The other problem is his defense - he is too pace-deficient to be a good defender.   His tackle count in all tests in which he played was low and ineffective.


To give an example in the two English tests De Allende played in he made 18 tackles missing 1 and conceeding 2 turnovers.    In the four tests Esterhuizen played in he made the following:-


Tackles made   -   5  +   4  +  9  +  4   =   22

Tackles missed -   0  +   3  +  1  +  1   =     5

Turnovers        -   2  +   1   + 2           =     5


The average number of tackles made in the four tests are 5,5 tackles per match.   The missed tackle ratio for the above 4 tests is  18,51%


Taking into account the number of games played and the above - it is clear that Esterhuizen's defense is not up to standard,   The reason for that is clear - he is too pace-deficient to be a successful tackler.


On the other hand Am's defense is better - but he carries no punch in attacking play.


The other problem is that Esterhuizen played in four tests - three of them were lost matches.   


I am afraid he is on the way out.   The center positions will in future be filled by -


  12    De Allende - back-up - Serfontein

  13    Kriel          - back-up - Am


The Loosie combination


I have always maintained that the loosie combination is the real weakness in the team.    Fact is -


*   that Whiteley is not physically up to standard;

*   that Louw is not what he used to be and even though he tried to raise his performance level on Saturday his defense was atrocious.   In the two tests he made 15 tackles missing 6 - just not good enough.

*   Kolisi - there is nothing Erasmus can do about him.  He showed some life yesterday - but is it going to last?


Erasmus must have been bitterly disappointed in Whiteley - he instructed Vermeulen to return to the squad before the Wellington test and I would not be surprised for all four the remaining matches.


I think that it is a foregone conclusion that Kolisi will be moved back to 6 and Du Toit will start at 7.   It is likely that van Staden would be the back-up loosie on the bench.


The Lock combination


After a brilliant return test - Etzebeth was anything but good yesterday - fact is he was poor.   There could be a reason for that - he was off for 10 month and the previous test was his return test.   There could still be lingering match fitness problems in his case.   


However, the problem case is Mostert - he was sub-standard yesterday and I am afraid he failed the test because of deficient physicality.   The solution would be to start with Etzebeth and Snyman - and hope for the early return of De Jager from injury.   I would rather use Schickerling as a back-up lock at present.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Aug 2018, 12:20
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26 Aug 2018, 12:20#2

Mike you are on the right track.

My Bok team:

Kitshoff, Marx Louw

Eben, Snyman

Kolisi (For Now) Duanne and Du Toit

That oaks is some pack!

Faf, Pollard (Give Willemse some time off he bench).

Allende, Kriel

Willie, Dyanti and Dyamani - big Lions player. 99 kg

Reserves

Beast, Akkers, Du Toit

Brink, Van Staden

Papier, Willemse, Serfonfontein

Doubt if anybody can beat this selection Mike.

Also stick with this team barring injuries and get them playing as a team.




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
26 Aug 2018, 13:18
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26 Aug 2018, 13:18#3
The problem started with the pack. Malherbe in not match fit. Mostert gets around like a lose forward but lacks the necessary grunt of a tight forward. Kolisi lacks a bit of grunt as does Whiteley. Add all this up and you will not get forward domination. Building a dominant pack:Tight Five:Kitshoff, Marx and Louw (Or Du Toit or whoever really claims this spot)Eben and Snyman/Lomp. Both real locks and mobile. Only Louw is not mobile.Loosies:Here we need to experiment as there are many possibilites. How might we end up. One experiment i would like to see is Steph Du Toit at number eight.He is surprisingly quick and get around the park well. Duanne is agreat forward but cant last too much longer. A youngster Like Brink looks promising at 7 and how is the warrior Marcell Coetzee playing?One cant actually pick a loose trio unless one knows who the opponents are, what the team tactics are and what test class loosies you have at your disposal.NZ these days are fielding a 921 kg pack. The pack chosen for the Saturdays test will not dominate.


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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
26 Aug 2018, 13:32
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26 Aug 2018, 13:32#4

Kind of weird to lay the blame of missed tackles on individualities when AR played to get those missed tackles.

Missed tackles are the result of the AR work. It exposed SA collective weaknesses. Other teams will do that.

Those issues can not be solved by switching players. It requires a global approach on how to play rugby.

SA rugby do not have the money to reform.

Terminate rugby in SA.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Aug 2018, 14:45
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26 Aug 2018, 14:45#5

The centre pair were just fine. To suggest otherwise is completely incorrect, to call for Damian and Kriel is plain ignorance. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
26 Aug 2018, 15:32
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26 Aug 2018, 15:32#6
Wrong Augie, Tokkie and Hasbeen have it nailed... The way to improve our centre playis to bring back the partnership of Allende and Kriel who have failed for four seasons. The way to improve our loosie tackling is to bring back Stephanie who had the worst forward tackling stats yesterday.....and bit on another dummy. You can't help these guys.
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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
26 Aug 2018, 16:02
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26 Aug 2018, 16:02#7
We looked defeated after Pollard missed his first penalty attempt. 
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Aug 2018, 16:09
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26 Aug 2018, 16:09#8

We had periods of dominance, but couldn't capitalise. We botched at least 3 tries. 21 points. A couple of stupid mistakes would have curtailed Argentina, even prevented two tries. As I said elsewhere, it was a game of small margins. They are the nippiest steppers in the competition. Once they get in behind, it's very hard to stop them. One of their tries resulted from a breakout on the shortside. We had them cut off, Eben catching the carrier well. One offload changed everything. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2018, 16:11
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26 Aug 2018, 16:11#9

AO

All the players yesterday was just fine - there was nothing wrong with the team selection and the players who under=performed must remain in the team.   No problem - we must just continue with the BS performances mentioned and then blame the players who did try and perform and exonerate the under-performers.

Very nice - after all you apparently believe that the moon is made of green cheese.  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Aug 2018, 16:13
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26 Aug 2018, 16:13#10

Clever Mike, you are using this as an opportunity to lie. To work your failed favourites into the conversation. Just like you dishonesty regarding the last first test. What I am calling for is a level head, not a knee jerk reaction. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2018, 16:27
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26 Aug 2018, 16:27#11

What lies are stated above?   Name them please.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Aug 2018, 16:31
#12
26 Aug 2018, 16:31#12

You are lying about the need to change the centres. You just couldn't wait to drone on about Damian and Kriel. Especially Damian. Ridiculous. You already had your pets penciled in before the game began. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2018, 16:39
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26 Aug 2018, 16:39#13

Himmel

I gave the performance record of especially Esterhuizen and that are now stated as being lies.  I will mae4 a suggestion -tell Pakie to work out his own stats and then come back and dazzle us with your brilliance.   

Because I do not accept substandard performances and do quote real examples supporting what I wrote - I must be lying according to you.  Try again to identify what really are lies.   I am not trying to write delusional dreams about performances - that I leave entirely to you.   Neither do I write false made up stories about what happened in rugby games - that I leave entirely to Mozart.    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
26 Aug 2018, 16:43
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26 Aug 2018, 16:43#14
"Neither do I write false made up stories about what happened in rugby games"
You are caught in made up stories almost every day! 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Aug 2018, 16:52
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26 Aug 2018, 16:52#15

What?  How and when - is the above made up stories and if so point out which are?   

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