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What should the Springbok side looks like for Saturday?

Started by clevermike25 REPLIES340 VIEWS· 09 Sept 2014, 12:18
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Sept 2014, 12:18
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09 Sept 2014, 12:18#1

Looking at the desperately poor display by some players, the poor support of the  lock for crumming on the loosejhead side and the complete disappearance of the driving maul from the team performance - there is a serious need for changes to the team - but will ithappen?


I think the team should be the following:-


15   Willie le  Roux

14   Cornal Hendricks

13   Damian de  Allende

12   Jean de Villiers

11   Bryan Habana

10   Handre Pollard

9    Cobus Reinach

8    Duane vermeulen

7    Marcel Coetzee

6    Fracois Louw

5    Lodewyk de Jager

4    Eben Etzeeth

3    Jannie du Plessis

2    Bismarck du Plessis

1    Tendai Mtawarire


16   Adriaan  Strauss

17   Marcell van der Merwe

18   Trevor Nyakane

19   Bakkies Botha  

20   Warren Whiteley

21   Francois Hougaard

22   Patrick Lambie

23   Jan Serfontein


Morne Steyn has a habit of going to pieces against the All Blacks with brain implosion always in eidence.   Pinaar had enough opportunities and he bothced most of those. Matfield is totally physical -deficient and destroys our Tight 5.


There is little to choose between De Allende and Serfontein - but Serfontein is a better ball carrier and stronger and faster player.   Reoinach had a better Super 15 than Hougaard and is a more thinking player.   Matfield is a weak bench player  - but we have only the even weaker Bakkies available  as an altenative.


The rest selects themselves in my opinion.   But we will see if Meyer on his side has a brain implosion tomorrrow.   Any other team will be easy meat for the AB's - my one will at least have a 30% chance of victory.   



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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
09 Sept 2014, 12:31
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09 Sept 2014, 12:31#2
 As Mozart pointed out some time ago, we do miss Flip Flop there at 5, I personally am not convinced about De Jager's performance; except for the June tests.  He'll probably win a few of us over as he grows in the team, but right now, I'll seat back a bit and watch .


  
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 Sept 2014, 12:59
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09 Sept 2014, 12:59#3
 Same here Ntanga. On that list it's only Lood i have reservations about. And maybe Basson or Mvovo for Hendricks. Other than that splitting of hairs i go with that team.
Lood's face makes me laugh. Looks like the gentle giant whose mom fed him Nesquick with a straw though the school fence at break time hehe.
Hell yeah, Reinach - Pollard. That's wet dream territory right there.
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WardadPro6,663 posts
09 Sept 2014, 13:44
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09 Sept 2014, 13:44#4
 "What should they look like " hmm.. big and green except for Habana and Le Roux ?
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
09 Sept 2014, 13:49
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09 Sept 2014, 13:49#5
 
Come now Mike.

First of all, is this the team you'd select ... or is this merely selecting from the boys already down under?

We both know Jannie shouldn't be there and slotting Lood in at 5 is silly. I would rather keep Matfield at 5. At least he knows how to secure our own ball and could possibly pinch the oppositions ball from time to time. Lood is clueless. He should be sent to Robin Island and forced to 30 years hard labour.

I would also be tempted to play Duane at 7 and start Whitely at 8.

I would definitely start with Reinach and Pollard.

I liked Serfontein at 13. Would keep him there and play De Allende at 12.

I don't like Hendricks. Would replace him in an instant with Mvovo.

Obviously my team would look completely different if I could select from all the talent we have back home.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Sept 2014, 14:36
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09 Sept 2014, 14:36#6
 CC
Had tos tick what is in NZ - could not go our of it.   I like Lood though - when he tackles somebody the guy stay tackled backwards - a very strong ball carrier - which Matfield is not - and he can play a role in rolling mauls - which Matfield can't do either. 
F or me our centers - with the exception of DE Allende - showed no penetration in attack at all  and I think he showed stay in 13 - both Serfonetien and De Villiers are essentially 12's.     
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3ku1Pro2,580 posts
09 Sept 2014, 15:24
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09 Sept 2014, 15:24#7
 For me.
1. Tendai 2. Bismark 3. Jannie 4. De Jager 5.  Estebeth 6. Louwe 7. Coetzee 8. Vermulen 9. Reinach 10. Pollard 11. Habana 12. Jdv 13. Serfontain 14. Hendricks 15. Le Roux
16. Strauss 17. Malhebe 18. Van der merwe 19. Matfeild 20. Whitely 21. Hougard 22. Steyn 23. De Allende
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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
09 Sept 2014, 16:52
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09 Sept 2014, 16:52#8
Mike,All you have to do is leave Jan where he is, De Allende on the bench. We have nothing to lose in going with this lineup. Test the half pairing against the best, Pollard's distribution can get our centre pairing moving for once. Let's see what Jan can do with the ball in hand.
 I think the tight 5 will be fine, just a few more slaps in the shed to bring out the mongrel and compete with determination. Back row is strong and we need Marcel to continue his outstanding form.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Sept 2014, 16:52
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09 Sept 2014, 16:52#9

Gavin Rich's prophetic words before the Saders semi;

 

"White should also think seriously about starting with Charl McLeod. The veteran scrumhalf has done well in big occasion games down the years, and would have been close to my man of the match in Cape Town the previous week.

My memory seems to pick up a few occasions where Cobus Reinach has been short in big games, such as the 2012 Currie Cup final, and he was pretty awful against the Highlanders before he was replaced. Am I suggesting I don’t necessarily share the general consensus that Reinach should be on Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer’s mailing list? Absolutely. He is a great talent, but I am not completely convinced about him, great striker from broken play though he undeniably is."

 

 

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ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
09 Sept 2014, 16:57
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09 Sept 2014, 16:57#10
3ku1 that would be it for me as well.  
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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
09 Sept 2014, 16:58
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09 Sept 2014, 16:58#11
Mozart2012 is a long time ago. Seriously what could he possible do wrong that hasn't been done already? Give him a go, hell,  give anyone a go!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Sept 2014, 17:02
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09 Sept 2014, 17:02#12

No, the side in order to have any chance in hell has to be:

 

15. Willie 14. Hendricks 13. de Allende 12. Serfontein 11. Habana 10. Pollard 9. Hougaard 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. v/d Merwe 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Coetzee 7. Louw 8. Vermeulen

 

16. Strauss 17. Nkanyane 18. Jannie 19. Bakkies 20. Whiteley 21. Reinach 22. Lambie 23. Jean 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Sept 2014, 17:09
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09 Sept 2014, 17:09#13
 Mozart
Only an unthinking idiot quote other peoples opinions without reflecting on wehther they are really accurate.   However, Reinach cannot be worse than Pienaar has been in the tests thus far.
Just as a reminder  - Morne did on Saturday with that fouled up penalty line kick something for which he has become notorious - it happened so frequintly in the past year - it really is incredible.   Just go back to the Eden Park test last year - he made the same mistake twice in that test alone and the AB's scored two tries as a result. 
    
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MonsterBokClub Pro442 posts
09 Sept 2014, 17:10
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09 Sept 2014, 17:10#14
Saffex,I wouldn't have Jean there either BUT that's not going to happen. Hougaard for me has had his chance and just isn't rising to the level required, but would prefer to see him ahead of Pinaar.
 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Sept 2014, 17:14
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09 Sept 2014, 17:14#15
 Monsrterbok
Unfortunatelky there is no mongrel in Matfield - he is just an underweight, tired old man. To have a 106 kgs lock in the present rugby environment is just not on.   Matfield is weak in scrums and mauls - and he gets pushed out of the way with ease by all and sundry.   The tackles he made can at best be described as weak adn unproductive.    To add to all that he is not capable of carrying balls anymore.
We exchanged all our Tight  5 advantages for a player that may catch 5 line out balls in any  match - so like is said in comic strips - "We wuz robbed".         
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Sept 2014, 17:15
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09 Sept 2014, 17:15#16
Hougaard has been fine this year. Play to his strengths, give him the  freedom to attack and cut out the aimless kicking 
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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
09 Sept 2014, 17:15
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09 Sept 2014, 17:15#17
Saffex

 15. Willie 14. Hendricks 13. de Allende 12. Serfontein 11. Habana 10. Pollard 9. Hougaard 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. v/d Merwe 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Coetzee 7. Louw 8. Vermeulen

 

16. Strauss 17. Nkanyane 18. Jannie 19. Bakkies 20. Whiteley 21. Reinach 22. Pollard 23. Jean 



Totally agree. I want two of him also

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
09 Sept 2014, 17:19
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09 Sept 2014, 17:19#18
Well I guess if Mike wants Matfield to replace the halfback pairing (as he mentioned in the no 3 world rankings thread), we'll need two Pollards from Dave to make the numbers balance again.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Sept 2014, 17:24
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09 Sept 2014, 17:24#19
 I am sure Dave means Lambie on the bench
Ands the ebst that can be done with matfield is sent him to a retirement home - he is not up to standard anymore.  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Sept 2014, 17:25
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09 Sept 2014, 17:25#20
Hah just another Sapp team gone wrong. Plum that quote of Gavin Rich reflected on Reinach's flop in the Highlanders match this year and only referenced his play in other finals eg 2012. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Sept 2014, 19:18
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09 Sept 2014, 19:18#21
 Mozart
Ididocy supreme -  Reinach di very well in Super 15 thisyear and he did a lot of vey good work - but you have to find an opinion piece that indicates otherwise.   So Rich is now the top writer - when he criticized players you like he is the bottom of the pile.   Remember w at he said about Frnsi and how you screamed murder then?
You have no ideas of  your own about players and performances - end of story.      
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Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
09 Sept 2014, 19:44
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09 Sept 2014, 19:44#22
 Saffex and Plum you guys have it spot on also like the idea of two Pollards.
As neither Morne or Bambie cut it .
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Sept 2014, 19:44
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09 Sept 2014, 19:44#23
So says the Willem Alberts award winner...,haha...Ed had it spot on.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Sept 2014, 19:52
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09 Sept 2014, 19:52#24

Moffie the only flop I see is the side that lost to Oz and that will lose to NZ and that reflects the same ignorant selections your ignorant arse would make.

 

You are clueless and are being exposed as much as the weeks go by......where will you be hiding on Sunday......and the weeks thereafter, when we lose at home as well  

AJ
Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
09 Sept 2014, 19:56
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09 Sept 2014, 19:56#25
 8570 Hall of Shame blogger.Shame, Shame, Shame.

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ForeverArizonaClub Pro580 posts
09 Sept 2014, 23:06
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09 Sept 2014, 23:06#26

 Even if we have Pollard and Reinach starting(Which would be nice but yeah...that wont happen) we wont win on Saturday.That is not because I am being pessimistic, it is just plain as daylight that the dynamics of this team is completely wrong.The team is unbalanced in leadership and in the midfield we have no attacking prowess.No x-factor.


All of that before we even mention our game plan and tactical kicking game that is substandard.I wish the Boks well,I hope they show some clout and pride in the jersey but with players that have played a 100+ games I hardly see us winning anything.


If I was Reinach I would openly ask Meyer",WTF did you select me...to carry bags??? FO!!!"Anyway good luck to them.Strange how the Pumas and Lions are doing well,and the Bokke struggle.Someone must be doing something right.

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