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What team changes can we expect this week?

Started by clevermike13 REPLIES260 VIEWS· 10 Jun 2013, 10:39
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jun 2013, 10:39
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10 Jun 2013, 10:39#1
Meyer is as pleased as punch about the performance of the players on Saturday - but indicated that some changes to the squad will be made this week. That leaves us with wondering what changes can be expected. What is absolutely clear though is that those players - who received poor or adequate ratings for the performance on Saturday will not be effected by those changes. Those players in essence are - Basson, Spies, Kruger and Jannie Du Plessis Meyer is a one-incident jerk in matches and award players for such cases. He will point out the role of Basson in the case of that intercept try and the pass he made to De Villiers before his try why Basson should stay in place. Spies did next to nothing in the test - yet Meyer would find it unthinkable to change him - after all he is the Bulls captain. Who will call the line-outs in the absence of Kruger - which was the only real task performed by Kruger on Saturday? Note also that three of the above four players are Bulls and replacement of Bulls players are not to be considered. The other issue is with Du Plessis. The player most likely to fill the no 3 position is Malherbe - but he is injured. Malherbe is apparently favoured by Meyer and he had to fly to New Zealand and England last year to cover that position. One also have to bear in mind that the Sharks in their most recent match played Du Plessis from the bench and the fact that Meyer starts with him indicates that Meyer is making a mistake in the relevant regard. Be it as it may - the following changes are likely to be made:- Kirchner is a absolute certainty to start on Saturday and despite his excellent performance Le Roux will be left out of the squad 23 - because they need three bench players from the backline. The three bench players need to be a scrummie - a player that can cover both the flyhalf and full back position and a center. So we will have an unchanged bench for Saturday. That leaves a question mark as to the other changes. In the back row - where most people think that Spies should go - Meyer will definitely not make a change affecting Spies. He will also not change Louw - so the focus would be on Arno Botha - if indeed there will be a change. Botha had a more than reasonable debut. He did well in the tackle situation and in line-outs - but gave away a penalty for a head high tackle and was not really a driving force in ball carrying. The above may be just enough to secure his retention. However, based on his record - Meyer may just bring in Alberts - that is depending on the nature of his latest injury - despite all indications statistically that Alberts did nothing last year to justify his selection and in two games this year he was poor. However, I do not think that Meyer's choice for the bench on Saturday (Coetzee) was really up to standard. So my guess is that Meyer - * will select Alberts for the No 7 position; and * put Botha on the bench for Saturday. The above would represent no change from the original team announced by Meyer for the test on Saturday. If Alberts is not available he will retain the present scenario with Botha starting and Coetzee on the bench - no change to the line-up actually starting on Saturday. Now for the locks - many people are questioning the performance of Kruger - but Meyer will make no changes in that case for who will call the line-outs in the absence of Kruger? The props may result in changes. I think Meyer will start with Beast and put Coenie at no 3. He would then put Jannie on the bench and retain the other bench selection. TO SUMMARIZE - MEYER WILL MAKE TWO CHANGES TO THE TEAM AS ANNOUNCED FOR THE ITALY TEST. HE WILL BRING IN KIRCHNER AT ALL COSTS AND HE WILL MAKE A BENCH CHANGE INSOFAR AS THE PROPS ARE CONCERNED. IF HE GOES BEYOND THAT - I FOR ONE WILL BE SURPRISED AS HELL ABOUT IT.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jun 2013, 11:47
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10 Jun 2013, 11:47#2

Ou Maaaikie are you feeling well today? KPlease realx li edown on the cach and Dr Beeno will attempt to settle your nerves and deal with your fantasies

To my mind Wllie should play again. However I would no trisk any key player against Samoa. Their intent as ALWAys will be to try an injure as many of our guy as possible to aid Nz. They see that as their role in rugby. So what Meyer has to d o is first select his side to face Samoa in the final. You will recall that in the last world cup the Boks adopted a strategy of letting samoa have th ball to avoid these dangerous tackles etc. The refs still seem far, far too lenient with these head hunters but when some one gets killed that might change.

I suggest the the pack is as physical as possible and ditto the backs. Dont risk Willie to these head hunters. Play your non essential players. Have your top players on the bench in case they are needed. Kirchner as a non essential player must play against the Samoans as an example.

Employ the srum and rolling maul as much as possible.

Not sure whether Meyer sees it like I do but he should of course.

 

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jun 2013, 12:01
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10 Jun 2013, 12:01#3
This is about the team changes for the Scotland test - that Meyer is about to make in terms of his comments after the game on Saturday. My contention is there will basically be no changes - but for the change to the full back position. The issue of the Samoans does not come into the picture at all in this case -so start your couch session when it is appropriate and concentrate on the issue at hand. What do you think the changes against Scotland will be and don't try your standard evasion tactics.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
10 Jun 2013, 12:18
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10 Jun 2013, 12:18#4

clevermike

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RE: What team changes can we expect this week?
June 10, 2013, 10:01:11

This is about the team changes for the Scotland test - that Meyer is about to make in terms of his comments after the game on Saturday. My contention is there will basically be no changes - but for the change to the full back position.

The issue of the Samoans does not come into the picture at all in this case -so start your couch session when it is appropriate and concentrate on the issue at hand. What do you think the changes against Scotland will be and don't try your standard evasion tactics.

 

 

In other words: " Beeno, jump on the bandwagon with me and become a prophet of doom like me."

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jun 2013, 12:47
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10 Jun 2013, 12:47#5

Hi there windpomp. I cant jump on that bandwagon. Meyer has been very complimentary re willie and its a big plus in having him come through so well.

Meyer wil turn out to be a very good Bok coach. But there are some factors that might derail him.Here are my concerns.

Firstly we are loosing to many quality players. Stander, Bekker, Elstadt, Chilli boy,Quinn Roux, Koster, Louw, Jaque Fourie, Bekker, Habana, JP , Du Plessis, Morne,  Notice how many left the Stormers (I am not mentioning thise who stayed here in SA) !!!!!!  No longer are these the over the hill players. (I have probably left out a number of guys from my list). But even my list represnts a HUGE loss of quality! In particular we cannot afford to lose top backs.

Next is the unusual level of injuries to SA players. I firmly believe the Sport Science Institute needs to do a scientific investigation. The Stormers and Sharks losing 36 payers is totally unacceptable. The loss to injury of players obviously effects Meyer.

Thirdly would be bent kiwi refs. I like to rile up the kiws about this but jokes aside it is a real problem.

Finally quotas. With beast fading and JP going are we going to be forced to pick lessor players becasue of quotas. Trevor succes therefore becomes very improtant to us - ditto Mvovo. What other black players are there right now. I have hope for Senatla and perhaps even Orbie. Senatla has blistering pace out running anything at the sevens comps. He is 87 kgs and wil be over 90 kgs. But he is only under 20 and needs probably 2 years before being ready for senior rugby.

Meyer and Rassie are however putting in place stuctures to strengthen SA rugby. 

But as fast as we build will we lose star players. How in the world do we stop this. They are after our best young talent waving huge sums of cash in front of them. Will Jan and JJ be tempted - eg after the next world cup. Meyer must at least make sure he gives the Elsdats of the world a test cap so they are not snapped up by other test countries. We seem so unconcerend about what is taking place.

 

 

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Bok -Bef$KClub Pro216 posts
10 Jun 2013, 13:20
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10 Jun 2013, 13:20#6
My team would be: 15) Le Roux 14) JJ 13) JDV 12) Jan 11) Habana - Simply the best wing in world rugby 10) Lambie - Steyn is good and on form, but would give him a rest simply a rotation switch 9) Van Zyl - Lets see what he can do at test level 8) Botha 7) Lappies 6) Louw 5) Kruger 4) Etzebeth 3) Coenie - Jannie got torn a new ahole 2) Strauss 1) Nyakane - Beast got torn a new ahole and lost the ball on a few occasions. 16) Beast 17) Jannie 18) Chilli 19) Flip 20) Kolisi 21) Hougaard 22) Steyn 23) Aplon
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jun 2013, 14:56
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10 Jun 2013, 14:56#7
Bokbef$k I like your team - but if Meyer goes that way - I would be forced to change my opinion of him as a coach. There is very little chance of that team ever taking the field.
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Big DaveRookie74 posts
10 Jun 2013, 15:40
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10 Jun 2013, 15:40#8

 JDV is an old man he is finished and the starters should be Serfontein and JJ. It is stupid to move him from outside center to wing.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jun 2013, 17:16
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10 Jun 2013, 17:16#9
Can there be anything more stupid than debating about the team that will be revealed in two days time? Getting into the supposed psychology of the coach, his supposed bias and the teflon nature of Bools players. Wait two days and all will be revealed. Better to debate about the team you would pick as Bok Bef%k does. I like your backline BeF, and your pack. The loosies need some work.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jun 2013, 17:29
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10 Jun 2013, 17:29#10
Saffex Weird comment - the question should be how is his performance? If that is not faulted a change at this stage is not desirable. Age is a factor that affect players at different stages in their careers - some players become totally ineffective at the age of 26 and one month - others at a much higher age. So let us concentrate on the performance and not the age factor and make sure there are talent around to replace place players who are not performing anymore be it as a result of age, injury or any other factor..
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jun 2013, 19:04
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10 Jun 2013, 19:04#11
Juslaaik Maaik, before you embarrass yourself further....please note we now have Safex the anti Saffex posting here as well. I know spelling isn't a strong point but just look at the numbers of posts. Saffex has many thousands....Safex has 38. No need for payment, just send a contribution to your favourite charity.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Jun 2013, 21:39
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10 Jun 2013, 21:39#12
Wot?!!!! No thanks from our resident wise man.
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
10 Jun 2013, 22:14
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10 Jun 2013, 22:14#13

My guess for Meyer's changes:

 

Pienaar at scrummie

Serfontein at 13 w/ JJ on wing (Basson out)

All Cheetahs front row.

Flip at lock over Kruger.

 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2013, 10:57
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11 Jun 2013, 10:57#14
Oi-matey I wish the past weekends tests were on fantasy rugby - I would have scored big time on Le Roux, Habana and Engelbrecht. Also Arno Botha, Etzebeth and Strauss would have produced marvellous points. My other choices would have included Ben Smith and Sam Cane. The remaining choices would have been De Villiers and Steyn (since I do not really rate Cruden as flyhalf) and also Parisse. I do not rate Vermaak and would have gone with Aaron Smith. That would have left me with only the props to consider and also one loosie and a lock - but by then I would have had an insurmountable lead on you and Sasue. LOL Now back to the present topic. I read in a recent article that Meyer will not change his OB's selection and is unlikely to change the center combination. He may change Steyn by bringing in Lambie and putting Steyn on the bench. Steyn really did not have a top all-round game on Saturday - so that change may be part of Meyer's rotation programme. However, there is one enforced change he will have to make - and that is to replace Vermaak. He is likely to go for Pienaar - with Van Zyl on the bench. The rest of the backline bench would be Serfontein and Steyn Amongst the forwards - he is unlikely to replace Spies - even tough the latter had a poor game on Saturday and is likely to go for Alberts as a loosie - with Arno Botha on the bench. Botha had a good debut - but also made some mistakes and that would mean he can go back on the bench. If he decides to not go with Alberts - he would continue with Botha at 7 and rather than Coetzee (who had a relatively poor game on Saturday when he came on) put either Alberts or Labuschagne on the bench. The problem remains as what to do with the props. I think he is going to start with Beast and Coenie and put the other two on the bench. He is likely to change and bring on the replacements earlier than he did on Saturday. Myself - I would have selected as loosies Botha at 8, Labuschagne at 7 and Louw at 6 - with the bench player being up in the air - but Meyer is not known or that type of change and will probably not do what I think would be a better way to go. That leaves me with the lock situation. It is highly unlikely that Meyer would change Kruger - and I think the status quo would remain.
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