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What the Boks are missing at 13

Started by Saffolk 16 REPLIES200 VIEWS· 07 Nov 2014, 11:23
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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2014, 11:23
#1
07 Nov 2014, 11:23#1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdhx9Gio0o0

 

So will say he had defensive issues, well if he did, Jean was worse for JJ's defensive stats in last years RC were better than Jean's

 

Add this to the fact that JJ's defensive stats for a centre were in the top 5 of all the centres playing in the s15 this year.

 

You need a Bok 13 with the speed, strength and feet that JJ has.

 

Meyer cocked up in a big way

BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
07 Nov 2014, 11:31
#2
07 Nov 2014, 11:31#2

This guy should be next to Serfontein in the Bok team, I have nothing more to say.

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
07 Nov 2014, 11:33
#3
07 Nov 2014, 11:33#3
 JJ is quite obviously a wing snapster. The guy who could also make a good 13 is JP. He really knows how to cut a line. I hear he is playing 13 for his Jap club. Fix his defence a bit and he could do very well. So with JP and Allende at 13 JJ must try and get a wing spot. 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2014, 14:12
#4
07 Nov 2014, 14:12#4

Wake up Beenkop, when last did he play wing and what qualifies your statement....don't just say it for the sake of it.

 

JJ was a wing that is now a good 13.......end of  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2014, 14:13
#5
07 Nov 2014, 14:13#5
Spot on Biltong  
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Nov 2014, 14:30
#6
07 Nov 2014, 14:30#6
 
I was hoping and praying you were not speaking of JJ at 13.

I should have known better .

I have only one thing to contribute to this ...

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
07 Nov 2014, 14:34
#7
07 Nov 2014, 14:34#7
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaha, can't play 13  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2014, 14:46
#8
07 Nov 2014, 14:46#8
CC take a look at the clip with an objective eye and tell me you are not impressed  
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Nov 2014, 15:26
#9
07 Nov 2014, 15:26#9
 
Let's face it Dave, the man has a lot of pace but apart from that first try (impressive stepping) the rest could have and would have been scored by anyone with a little pace.

He was put onto the gap by his inside man and merely had to finish it off. Nothing more.

Serfontein could have done the same. 

Difference is that Serfontein is a lot stronger on defense, has a much higher work rate and reads the game better.

He's a natural center whereas JJ still needs to learn the trade and a test match is not where you do that.









MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2014, 15:38
#10
07 Nov 2014, 15:38#10

There were 16 Super games this year....the vast majority with Steppie and JJ in tandem. The net result.... nothing. Why are they going to be better playing against International opposition?

 

JJ is going to be 26 before he plays serious rugby again and he is still learning.....this is getting pathetic. The man is not a competitor, he is a mouse......players like that don't succeed in tests.

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Nov 2014, 16:00
#11
07 Nov 2014, 16:00#11
Klown, please edit your 14:30:07 post and just put one little space in the middle of the long "WAAAAAAAAAA!!!" that you finished off with.

It will make the whole thread much more readable.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2014, 16:09
#12
07 Nov 2014, 16:09#12

Wrong CC, that beating of Savea and a good few of those other breaks involved some good skill. It had nothing to do with being put into space......I think the way forward for a good 13 is one with pace and good feet.......that is why I think Kobus v/Wyk of WP is one for the future. He played all his age group rugby as a centre and 13 is where he should be playing.

 

These guys bring speed and a good step to the 13 role........they are there to exploit the little space you get given in test rugby.

 

Sadly both JJ and Serfontein playing for the Bulls have been done no favours as they don't play attacking rugby, its all percentage stuff.

 

Serfontein is a great talent but he does not have the sheer pace required at 13......he is a creator not a finisher, whereas JJ is a finisher.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2014, 17:12
#13
07 Nov 2014, 17:12#13
Neither Step nor JJ are destined to be Bok greats. Step is too slow and not strong enough to be a power centre. JJ is on cloud 9 most of the time....he is a wing in the van Wyk mode. But van Wyk is more of a competitor and a bigger contributor.
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
07 Nov 2014, 17:48
#14
07 Nov 2014, 17:48#14
Well, at this stage there are no other's pushing for a place. You have Jean de Villiers who will retire after the Rugby World Cup, you have Jaque Fourie who will retire after the world cup, you have JP Pietersen who is not the future 13, the only players exposed at this time is Jan and JJ with De Allende on 2 or 3 caps.
Andre Esterhuize still has a lot to learn, most likely the next coach or Meyer if he stays is not going to select Sithole, Jordaan or any others ahead of what he has already.
So whether you beleive they won't be greats is a little premature at this stage.
BI
biltongbekClub Pro749 posts
07 Nov 2014, 17:48
#15
07 Nov 2014, 17:48#15
Well, at this stage there are no other's pushing for a place. You have Jean de Villiers who will retire after the Rugby World Cup, you have Jaque Fourie who will retire after the world cup, you have JP Pietersen who is not the future 13, the only players exposed at this time is Jan and JJ with De Allende on 2 or 3 caps.
Andre Esterhuize still has a lot to learn, most likely the next coach or Meyer if he stays is not going to select Sithole, Jordaan or any others ahead of what he has already.
So whether you beleive they won't be greats is a little premature at this stage.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2014, 18:05
#16
07 Nov 2014, 18:05#16

Serfontein has far more talent than Jean. He has more flair and a better attacking skill set. He is no slower than Jean or Frans and has more than enough pace for a 12.

 

His physical strength is a strength.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2014, 19:15
#17
07 Nov 2014, 19:15#17
Serfontein has more talent than Jean....this ineffably stupid fat man (3/12) says that as if he has credibility.
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