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When a ref is determined to give a team the game....

Started by Mozart22 REPLIES1,157 VIEWS· 06 Apr 2018, 16:42
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Apr 2018, 16:42
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06 Apr 2018, 16:42#1
.....it's pretty obvious. Any chance and that yellow jersied prat was going to award a penalty try in that last stanza. One could mention a number of calls, but the attitude was most clearly demonstrated when the Canes finally got down into the Sharks 22 after defending most of the half.....and the prat says that repeated penalties down there could result in a yellow, Sickening!
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2018, 17:36
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06 Apr 2018, 17:36#2

Agreed = there was a number of penalties second half aiming at stopping Sharks progress.   In one such case the Hurricanes started a maul and the Sharks lock went straight through the maul and was then penalized for going off-side from the side of he maul - unbelievable.   Then there was players from an off-side position going for the Sharks scrummie causing a turnover.  

Wonder how incompetents  like that gets to be refs?    

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Apr 2018, 17:59
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06 Apr 2018, 17:59#3

@ Mike and Moz

...But don't you guys know? 

It's all in our heads. We just imagine things and dream up excuses. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
06 Apr 2018, 19:05
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06 Apr 2018, 19:05#4

Plum

Don't spoil it - Mozart and I agreeing on something!!!!

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
06 Apr 2018, 19:09
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06 Apr 2018, 19:09#5

They do say that nothing brings piece like a common enemy Mike

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Apr 2018, 20:15
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06 Apr 2018, 20:15#6
So far “neutral sources” such as Planet Rugby & Rugby 365 have not highlighted the refs performance. I watched the game at 2:30 am my time so was not only one-eyed but also bleary eyed. I will watch the end again. One thing I will say is that if a kiwi team committed so many penalties in the red zone you would have been bleating about that.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Apr 2018, 20:21
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06 Apr 2018, 20:21#7
Straight from 'neutral source' Rugby 365: 'It capped a pulsating match in which the lead changed five times as both teams left nothing in the tank. But the visitors can feel aggrieved about some of the refereeing decision in the last 10 minutes and the dramatic six minutes after the full-time hooter had already sounded. Sharks captain Ruan Botha was at his most diplomatic best in his post-match reaction. "A few calls didn't go our way," Botha said, as he tried his best to hide his obvious disappointment. Despite whatever controversy there is around the final outcome, the result means the Hurricanes are now sitting pretty at the top of the competition standings. Both sides scored four tries, with braces for Hurricanes centre Laumape and Sharks wing Lukhanyo Am.' Still one eyed JW?
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
06 Apr 2018, 20:54
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06 Apr 2018, 20:54#8
I read this Moz, doesn’t sound too bad to me. It doesn’t rise above the usual grumbling level. I expect statements indicating an inquiry is called for, etc.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
06 Apr 2018, 21:10
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06 Apr 2018, 21:10#9

Home town reff like Peyper and many others. Not necessarily a cheat. Gets off on the cheering crowd, can't help himself. Poor sod.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
06 Apr 2018, 21:30
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06 Apr 2018, 21:30#10
Spot on Draad, these weak personalities blow for the home team.....he was busting out of his skin to blow up the Sharks after the siren ....just to give the crowd the red meat they wanted. Pathetic twit.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
06 Apr 2018, 22:18
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06 Apr 2018, 22:18#11
Lets not pussy foot around the issue oaks. i ts called cheating and it happens all the time. The down under refs are very consistent
3K
3ku1Pro2,580 posts
07 Apr 2018, 00:08
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07 Apr 2018, 00:08#12

Lol I would expect this. But I Could name the amount of times kiwi sides lost in SA. Due to home bias reffing. So don't give me poor Sharks nonsense. Lets b objective. Sharks were borderline offside the whole game. Sharks give away th most penalties in the whole comp. The last five they just were not disciplined enough. And they were giving away blatant penalties. Their was also a few big momennts in the Canes 22. Where they won a scrum. And Lousi of the Canes won a line out. Canes defended well. And were composed. Sharks deserved to win. But can you lot learn to be gracious in defeat? Or is that too much to ask? I know its a harsh reality. But face the fact Sharks lack of disciplin objctively cost them the match. Up 37-28. They should of closed out the game. Were the moments in the game Canes got away with infringements at the breakdown? Yes their was. 

But it did not cost Sharks the game. Face the facts. Sharks give away the most penalties in the comp. And they were clearly blatantly doing so in the final five mins. I thought their were a few forward passes Sharks got away with. But thats Rugby. Rub of green an all. To suggest the Ref was determined to give the game to the Canes. Is a bit laughable. Looking at the Stats. The Sharks conceded 15 Penalties to the Canes 5. That says it all Disciplin lost them the game. Not the cheating ref . A piece on the game summed up the last five

"The Sharks were so desperate to hold onto victory that they conceded a number of penalties and a yellow card, in a frenatic four mins of extra time as the Hurricanes banged away on the Try Line".

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2018, 02:20
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07 Apr 2018, 02:20#13
I don't have the time to waste on documenting something that was so obvious. But if you want one example, go back and look at the number of skew throws into the lineout the Canes made....not one was called. And that's not just me, your NZ commentators remarked on it during the commentary. Some Saffas on here have called out poor reffing decisions against NZ teams in SA. You chaps never break ranks, it makes for a less candid and decent debate.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2018, 02:25
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07 Apr 2018, 02:25#14
Here's an example of standing up for the truth after the Bools beat the Canes: mozart on Ruckers Forum mozart Hall Of Fame 23004 posts Feb 25, 2018, 00:46 The try was a try. The ref made a mistake and the TMO cravenly said there wasn’t enough evidence to over rule. In fact Perenara’s hand was in contact with the ball all the way down and he appeated to get finger pressure on the ball. That was early enough to suggest that the Bools could have responded, but felt like a home town decision to me.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2018, 02:52
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07 Apr 2018, 02:52#15
The sheep in Farmer Brown's are too afraid to bleat Cloudy.....welcome back by the way, you were missed.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
07 Apr 2018, 03:09
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07 Apr 2018, 03:09#16
Yes, welcome back Cloudy, we missed you on here that's for sure.
Any reference to sheep is bound to distract Mozart so well done
Mozart, if I get the time I will watch the last 30 mins of the game again but watching it this morning I felt the Sharks were desperate on defense and lost their discipline. A lot of infringements in the red zone always risks a yellow. Maybe the ref got some calls wrong, I will see for myself.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2018, 03:55
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07 Apr 2018, 03:55#17
Yep, still eating the Tim Tams....they go nicely with Fortnum's Royal Blend tea.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
07 Apr 2018, 08:53
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07 Apr 2018, 08:53#18

So sad to see this kind of thing.

Undoubtedly the Kiwis will get away with it ... again.

Sickening.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
07 Apr 2018, 09:36
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07 Apr 2018, 09:36#19

Not so much that he pinged the Sharks for their errors and infringements, but rather that je missed those from the Canes.

For the record, I'm not saying he is a cheat or that the Sharks should have won. I'm saying the laws of rugby makes for grey areas that makes it difficult to reff without upsetting some fans...the forward pass law being a prime example 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Apr 2018, 15:29
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07 Apr 2018, 15:29#20
The penalty on Am at minute 81 which launched the Canes out of their half was dubious. Am tackles a Canes runner and is himself tackled as he is affecting the tackle and pushed over to the Canes side of the ruck. He does nothing to interfere with the ball....which is totally available. The ref starts to raise his arm......hesitates, showing he isn't sure....then makes up his mind and grants the penalty. If that was a penalty there were at least 30 similar situations that weren't called.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Apr 2018, 02:38
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09 Apr 2018, 02:38#21
And here's Mallett on the same penalty: 'The Sharks had used impressive linespeed the entire game. They got off the line and were in the Hurricanes’ faces, forced turnover after turnover and just physically dominated. But in those last five minutes, they started to stay on the line and wait for the Hurricanes to run at them, to prevent conceding a penalty. 'That allowed the Hurricanes to hold onto the ball for five minutes and they got three penalties. The ref was very harsh with the first penalty against the Sharks. When you are close to your line, you can expect the referee is going to be hard on you. But the one from 50m out was a tough decision on the Sharks.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
09 Apr 2018, 08:17
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09 Apr 2018, 08:17#22

JW EQUALS   -  


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BrycyPro4,671 posts
09 Apr 2018, 22:45
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09 Apr 2018, 22:45#23

Impressive linespeed = dict,  euphemism for offside with impunity ,..

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