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When will the team for Saturday be announced?

Started by Mozart26 REPLIES830 VIEWS· 03 Jul 2023, 14:30
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Jul 2023, 14:30
#1
03 Jul 2023, 14:30#1

This is an important test for the Boks given the lack of any coherent Bok picture at this time. Where are we after a dismal 2022?

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,225 posts
03 Jul 2023, 15:46
#2
03 Jul 2023, 15:46#2

Rassie usually announces on Tuesdays. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
03 Jul 2023, 18:05
#3
03 Jul 2023, 18:05#3
This is true….Dismal performance by the Boks in 22….Especially the loss against IRELAND and France….those teams has got our number….it is of utmost importance that we bring something new this year….we will have to wait and see what happens Saturday….but if we don’t start well, and the same crash-ball nonsense, I believe it will set the tone for a disappointing 23….L hope not.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
03 Jul 2023, 22:10
#4
03 Jul 2023, 22:10#4
Mpower you are speaking crap - we were better than Ireland and France We lost to Ireland thanks to a piss poor ref and an inability to kick for poles That Irish try that should never have been a try on two counts - an Irish boot kicking the ball through a ruck and the blatant forward pass by the reserve prop Against France we lost thanks to an early red card
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
03 Jul 2023, 22:18
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03 Jul 2023, 22:18#5
Both games were tight ….but it’s mostly the opportunities we did have, that we could not finish….if we can finish of chances and execute properly, we would be doing way better….also to much of our possession gets kicked away….we should attack more with our possession that would also improve things more….hope that is the goal for Saturday.
DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
04 Jul 2023, 09:43
#6
04 Jul 2023, 09:43#6

The Boks were bumbling and clueless against France. It would be very easy to take every phase of the Boks against France and Ireland and rip them apart. 

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
04 Jul 2023, 10:27
#7
04 Jul 2023, 10:27#7

Here's the team everyone is predicting:

15 Willie le Roux, 14 Kurt-Lee Arendse, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 André Esterhuizen, 11 Canan Moodie, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Duane Vermeulen (captain), 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Marco van Staden, 5 Marvin Orie/Jean Kleyn, 4 RG Snyman, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Ox Nché.

That probably means the likes of Steven Kitshoff, Malcolm Marx, Vincent Koch, Eben Etzebeth, Lood de Jager, Franco Mostert, Jasper Wise, Evan Roos, Deon Fourie, Jean-Luc du Preez, Faf de Klerk, Elton Jantjies, Damian de Allende, Jesse Kriel, Cheslin Kolbe and Makazola Mapimpi will either be on the bench for Saturday or will be in the squad that travels to New Zealand a week early.

We'll know for sure in about 2 hours time.

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
04 Jul 2023, 11:55
#8
04 Jul 2023, 11:55#8

Team was announced:

15 Willie le Roux, 14 Kurt-Lee Arendse, 13 Lukhanyo Am, 12 Andre Esterhuizen, 11 Canan Moodie, 10 Manie Libbok, 9 Cobus Reinach, 8 Duane Vermeulen (c), 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Marco van Staden, 5 Marvin Orie, 4 Jean Kleyn, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 Ox Nche.

Subs: 16 Joseph Dweba, 17 Thomas du Toit, 18 Vincent Koch, 19 RG Snyman, 20 Evan Roos, 21 Deon Fourie, 22 Grant Williams, 23 Damian Willems e

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
04 Jul 2023, 11:57
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04 Jul 2023, 11:57#9

Very interesting blend of players. 

Can't believe Orie is in the team. RG on the bench

Duanne, the real captain, is starting and will captain the team. 

No Marx, Faf, Mpimpi, Kolbe, Kitshoff, Lood, Dud, Kriel etc. Guess they are in NZ 

Not sure how many player they sent ahead to NZ

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
04 Jul 2023, 12:08
#10
04 Jul 2023, 12:08#10

From SA Rugby:

"Another 17 or 18 players and team management members will travel to New Zealand on Sunday afternoon. That group of players will be decided following the Test against Australia – based on the team’s needs for the forthcoming Test against New Zealand and player performances against Australia.

The players that will travel to New Zealand on Tuesday are Steven Kitshoff (prop), Malcolm Marx (hooker), Eben Etzebeth, Lood de Jager (both locks), Franco Mostert and Jean-Luc du Preez (both utility forwards), Kwagga Smith (loose forward), Faf de Klerk (scrumhalf), Cheslin Kolbe and Makazole Mapimpi (both wings), Damian de Allende and Jesse Kriel (both centres), and Kolisi.

Jasper Wiese (loose forward) will join those players in New Zealand later in the week following the birth of his child on Monday. "

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
04 Jul 2023, 12:15
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04 Jul 2023, 12:15#11
So glad that van Staden is getting a look-in. Rate him very highly.
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
04 Jul 2023, 12:30
#12
04 Jul 2023, 12:30#12

The players who will travel to New Zealand on Tuesday are Steven Kitshoff (prop), Malcolm Marx (hooker), Eben Etzebeth, Lood de Jager (both locks), Franco Mostert and Jean-Luc du Preez (both utility forwards), Kwagga Smith (loose forward), Faf de Klerk (scrumhalf), Cheslin Kolbe and Makazole Mapimpi (both wings), Damian de Allende and Jesse Kriel (both centres), and Kolisi.

No 8 Jasper Wiese will join those players in New Zealand later in the week following the birth of his child on Monday.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
04 Jul 2023, 14:34
#13
04 Jul 2023, 14:34#13

Libbok will have Reinach, Esterhuizen, Willie, and Am. That's very useful for him. If the wings can show a bit more effort looking for work then that'd be good too. I'm not a fan of Libbok, but at least he has been given some useful ammo around him. I'm not so sure about the loose trio, but we'll have to wait and see what they deliver. Defensively, out wide, we are quite exposed, and aren't very well armed for the aerial battle. Australia must press this advantage. The bench is patchy. I'll be interested to see what Australia's lineup will be. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jul 2023, 14:50
#14
04 Jul 2023, 14:50#14

Key  combinations  are new. Reinach/Libbok…..Bongi/Klein. Etzebeth isn’t playing, DudToit is!

Harrassmiss is rolling the dice that he can sweep the first two tests by playing his fresh, best team against an AB team that has travelled. It could work again or we could be zero and two.This is a rare chance for Aussie to win in South Africa, but history is against them

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
04 Jul 2023, 14:51
#15
04 Jul 2023, 14:51#15

Nice to see Grant Williams on the bench…in that role he could be a weapon for us at the WC.

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
04 Jul 2023, 14:54
#16
04 Jul 2023, 14:54#16

I'll be interested to see where Australia and New Zealand are, we must frame all results in context. They were all time bad last season, if they are anything like that again, it's not very useful moving forward even if we do win one or both. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
04 Jul 2023, 20:03
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04 Jul 2023, 20:03#17
Happy to see Libbok and esterhuizen starting….Jean klein is also good, but Orie not so positive….but maybe this season he will show more…..the bench is quite Potent….those players will surely make a impact…..OZ will be up for it on Saturday…..we will have to defend well.
DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
04 Jul 2023, 20:08
#18
04 Jul 2023, 20:08#18

"So glad that van Staden is getting a look-in.

Rate him very highly."

He's had a few chances already...your missing friend Denny also rates him...I'm not a fan...a bools player must truly be exceptional for me to recognize him...Marco isn't there yet...not even close 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Jul 2023, 20:53
#19
04 Jul 2023, 20:53#19
Team against NZ will be: 15. Willie 14. Kolbe 13. Am 12. de Allende 11. Mapimpi 10. Willemse 9. Faf 1. Kitshoff 2. Mbonambi 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Kwagga 7. PSDT 8. Wiese 16. Marx 17. Ox 18. Koch 19. RG Snyman 20. Roos 21. Williams 22. Libbok 23. Kriel
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
04 Jul 2023, 21:18
#20
04 Jul 2023, 21:18#20
I think Rassie will take it easy on RG until he is back to his old self ….but he will definitely start together with Eben…Willemse 10 is a mistake….Libbok must get that spot as much as possible….Willemse can be a stand in 10, if need be…..Is this your team Saffex or the actual one? Because Mostert will and need to be in that Starting mix…I hope esterhuizen does well on Saturday and makes a good impact, then maybe DDA will come in of the bench….we need more attack in the midfield and that is not exactly his strong suit…Sad that Wilco is not in the mix….not that Koch is bad, but Wilco is better….Kriel should get lost or eventually pull his finger and show some of his better Form.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
04 Jul 2023, 22:31
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04 Jul 2023, 22:31#21
Not my team it’s the team I think they will play against NZ As for Mostert, hopefully the physical liability will be nowhere near the match 23 Can’t see him being there if Eben, Lood and RG are fit If it was up to me I’d choose the following I’d send the following to NZ Willie , Mapimpi, Kolbe , Am, de Allende, Willemse, Faf, Kitshoff, Marx, Malherbe, Etzebeth, RG, Kwagga, PSDT and Roos My team vs Oz would be: 15. Gelant 14. Moodie 13. JVR 12. Esterhuizen 11. Arendse 10. Libbok 9. Williams 1. Ox 2. Mbonambi 3. Thomas du Toit (c) 4. Jenkins 5. Lood 6. Buthelezi 7. JL du Preez 8. Dan du Preez 16. Dweba 17. Gerhard Steenkamp 18. Wilco Louw 19. Ruben v Heerden 20. Wiese 21. Jantjies 22. Jantjies 23. Kriel
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
05 Jul 2023, 07:08
#22
05 Jul 2023, 07:08#22
I would choose Rickus for cover for JVR and Grobbelaar for Dweba…..otherwise this team should be able to do well I think.
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
05 Jul 2023, 07:09
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05 Jul 2023, 07:09#23
Also a pity that Dan du Plessis is being overlooked by Rassie
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
05 Jul 2023, 07:25
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05 Jul 2023, 07:25#24
Rickus would be a better option than Kriel but I put him in to cover at 13 as he is a 13 Yes big pity about Dan du Preez the twins are pretty much on par so I’m not sure why only one has been selected Guess it’s the fact JL covers lock as well, which he should not given his height - he is not a lock
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
05 Jul 2023, 08:19
#25
05 Jul 2023, 08:19#25

Well, the real problem is that we have long in the tooth Vermeulen starting and Roos on the bench. I understand that they selected him for his experience and lack of having our captain or other leadership in the team. 

Not sure Vermeulen has anything left in the tank. He was okay for Ulster but mainly became a ruck inspector. Ulster was happy to cut him loose after this season. 

He doesn't have that line breaking ability anymore or being able to barge through tacklers like he use to. His ground skills is probably the only thing that still works for him. 

Orie is the other big mistake of this team selection. 

I am happy to see how the rest of the team plays. 

But the big problem is that Ox is crocked and Kitthoff is on standby, so we don't have a 3rd choice loosehead. Even though we do have plenty quality prop stocks. You would think that we would have at least 3 world class front rows, not to mention the quality of our lock stocks. 

What ever happened to Muchunu, he got one cap, sat behind Ox at the sharks and now not even in this squad. 

Another Rassie brain implosion by throwing players in the deep end, costing a test for his experiment and then player is nowhere near the squad. 

If he is the director of rugby, why doesn't he plan more A games. 

We could easily have organised A games against NZ and Australia last year. They would have welcomed it. 

DE
Deus Ex LemurPro2,355 posts
05 Jul 2023, 12:14
#26
05 Jul 2023, 12:14#26

He doesn't have that line breaking ability anymore or being able to barge through tacklers like he use to. His ground skills is probably the only thing that still works for him. 

That didn't stop Steph winning player of the year! That being the case, he is plenty good enough! 

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
06 Jul 2023, 09:34
#27
06 Jul 2023, 09:34#27

The Wallabies have announced their team:

Australia: Tom Wright, 14 Suliasi Vunivalu, 13 Len Ikitau, 12 Reece Hodge, 11 Marika Koroibete, 10 Quade Cooper, 9 Nic White, 8 Rob Valetini, 7 Michael Hooper (c), 6 Tom Hooper, 5 Will Skelton, 4 Nick Frost, 3 Allan Alaalatoa, 2 David Porecki, 1 James Slipper (c)
Replacements: 16 Jordan Uelese, 17 Matt Gibbon, 18 Zane Nonggorr, 19 Richie Arnold, 20 Pete Samu, 21 Tate McDermott, 22 Samu Kerevi, 23 Carter Gordon

No Taniela Tupou? Wonder if he's crocked?

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