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Where to now with selection

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SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 12:14
#1
07 Nov 2022, 12:14#1
It’s time to change things up a bit One certainty is we can’t play Willemse at 10 just like Frans should never have been selected there. They have similar software - they can’t manage and direct games from 10. Also it was obvious that playing Kolbe at 15 was a mistake and Willie is a must to start I was also very disappointed in Faf when he came on, he has lost his zip. Standing there looking at the ball instead of getting stuck in and passing it lead to a turnover at one point So if Willie is at 15 and we can’t play Willemse at 10, it has to be a centre that he plays but should it be 12 or 13? With Lood likely out we need to replace him and that can’t be Mostert for then we lose any physical edge we could gain over France and later England. So either we bring in the impressive Jason Jenkins at 5 or we move PSDT to 5. I think the side I’m leaning towards is: 15. Willie 14. Kolbe 13. Willemse 12. de Allende 11. Mapimpi 10. Libbok 9. Hendrikse 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. PSDT 6. Kolisi 7. Wiese 8. Roos 16. Mbonambi 17. Ox 18. Thomas 19. Jenkins 20. Kwagga 21. Nohamba 22. Esterhuizen 23. Kriel With that side we lose an extra line out option but so what de Allende and Willemse can mix it up at centre by interchanging depending on how they want to play it
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Nov 2022, 13:32
#2
07 Nov 2022, 13:32#2

I would shift dud to 13 and Damian to 12 where he has played most of his games. Libbok is a must starter. He has showed over the last 18 months that he can control the game. 

Agree on Jenkins to 5 or PSTD. 

Would give Roos a crack, dodgy stash Wiese wasn’t very effective.

I would give the black brothers a crack. Trevaa, Bongi and Ox. 

Kitsi and Koch on the bench and tell Flab Malherbe he needs time in the gym and less time around the braai and in the kitchen licking the spoon. 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
07 Nov 2022, 13:34
#3
07 Nov 2022, 13:34#3

And did you see the size of Frans prop. 145kg!!!! 

So shorter scrummagers would help us

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 13:39
#4
07 Nov 2022, 13:39#4
Nyakane has been poor this year so he is a no go for now Defending at 13 is a real art and I think Willemse would cope better than de Allende as he is quicker and more aggressive defensively But I’d have the two mix it up - if you want to carry in traffic at 12 then DA is the obvious go to , if you want to be more expansive then Willemse is the go to at 12. Horses for courses during the match. Defensively I’d have Willemse at 13
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2022, 15:32
#5
07 Nov 2022, 15:32#5

So Kriel was brilliant on defense according to you Dave, but you drop him. And you drop our best forward on Saturday ….Mostert.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 15:56
#6
07 Nov 2022, 15:56#6
I don’t select 13’s based on their defence and Mostert was certainly not our best forward Why would I suddenly select Mostert - I don’t rate him at all never have never will A physical liability. He would not smell my Bok squad of 100 players and I mean that sincerely Had he beefed up in his career things could have been so different for him. Imagine all that heart and energy coupled with 125kg of beef and muscle
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
07 Nov 2022, 16:57
#7
07 Nov 2022, 16:57#7

Mostert has been more consistent in his effort each game that I have watched than most if not all the forwards he is playing with.

He might not be the choice of many but if I was a selector he would be my second forward of choice after Eben.

The same goes for Smith.

The other forwards like du Toit, Captain K, Weise are not in the same league.

Faf is over and done.

Willemse is not a fly-half that is clear.

Kolbe is a wing.

We all understand what needs to be done with selections why can the IDIOTS who actually select the teams not see or understand it.

Is it stupid, out of their league or just plain ignorance.

By the way Dave you did in an earlier selection select a Stormers lock who got some play time off the bench and was a disaster.

Plus he is in the present squad as well.

So be fair and give credit when it is earned and due.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 17:16
#8
07 Nov 2022, 17:16#8
I’m not rugby naive enough to not see past the energy and heart Mostert brings That’s all he brings - if you can’t see that he brings nothing to the party physically then you need your eyes checked I expect a test lock in particular a Bok one, to be able to impose themselves physically. We they carry the ball in traffic I expect a metre or so gained, not being bashed backwards. I expect to see big clean outs not being unable to clean out an 18 year old Goergian fullback. I expect to see big enveloping hits that stop players in their tracks, not nice little textbook low tackles one expects from a back Mostert would not make my squad of 100 players Who is the Stormers lock you are referring to?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2022, 17:42
#9
07 Nov 2022, 17:42#9
Go to minute 61.50 of the game to see how physical the Duds are. Mapimpi has just carried and  is down….Dud Allende is trying to protect the ball, Dud Toit comes in to help. But the Irish 6 lifts them both off the ball. Dud Toit is knocked on his arse and the ball is turned over to Ireland.
Is that the kind of physicality you are referring to Da ve?
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 18:19
#10
07 Nov 2022, 18:19#10
One thing is for certain Moz - there is no questioning the physicality of de Allende and PSDT Being a physical player does not mean that every time you carry you are going to be effective or that players can’t knock you back Hell one only needs to watch the massive Etzebeth on the charge, most times he is very effective but sometimes he gets bashed backwards - it happens to everyone So many factors play a part - body position, your momentum, the defenders momentum, feet position etc etc
AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
07 Nov 2022, 18:56
#11
07 Nov 2022, 18:56#11

Moerat did.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2022, 19:18
#12
07 Nov 2022, 19:18#12

My point is Dave I see no physicality that’s unusual in Dud Toit. He is too tall for a ball carrier, those long shanks are an easy target. I see no particular strength over the ball. I think for a lock he is relatively quick, but not for a flank. He should be playing 5, but then again, he isn’t a great lineout option. Kinda falls between two stools. He made up for it a bit by his energy, but these days that rarely lasts more than 20 minutes.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 19:41
#13
07 Nov 2022, 19:41#13
Well Moz the reason PSDT won player of the year was because he was the Boks go to in carrying in traffic. He was extremely effective giving us forward momentum and setting up phases Our success back then hinged on this. Regardless of what you think of him no ordinary players wins that world accolade However since Rassie departed our game has slipped and PSDT was injured and has not like most of our players rediscovered his form. Eben and Lood are tall like he is and they are no more or less effective in the carry
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 19:58
#14
07 Nov 2022, 19:58#14
AJH when did Moerat fail? How much test time has he had? You are speaking shit
MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
07 Nov 2022, 22:21
#15
07 Nov 2022, 22:21#15

Who is Nohamba? Not a bad team....but doubt that Rassie will change much....maybe a Flyhalf.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
07 Nov 2022, 22:26
#16
07 Nov 2022, 22:26#16

Not so sure about Hendrikse…..what is he really adding and he’s vulnerable to a charge down. Faf added some energy when he arrived on Saturday.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
07 Nov 2022, 22:46
#17
07 Nov 2022, 22:46#17

Dave I must retract my posting accusing you of selecting Moerat.

On doing research he was selected as a lock in the touring squad and and has played in two tests.

Sorry for my mistake and nothing personal intended.

Thanks.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 23:01
#18
07 Nov 2022, 23:01#18
No probs
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 23:03
#19
07 Nov 2022, 23:03#19
Nohamba is the live wire little 9 that played for the Sharks and has now moved to the Lions He is the starting 9 there - very impressive player - great great service
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
07 Nov 2022, 23:05
#20
07 Nov 2022, 23:05#20
Moz Hendrikse is good, but has gone into his shell a bit - maybe playing under instruction He has a good rugby brain - is good at putting players into space Scrum half is pretty open - there are a few players putting their hands up
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,226 posts
07 Nov 2022, 23:17
#21
07 Nov 2022, 23:17#21

Hendrikse is solid. Not many mistakes, except some up-and-under, kicks when under pressure at the base of the ruck. 
He has not set the world alight, because he acts more as a distributor, instead of attacking the fringes of the ruck like say Joost Van Der Westhuizen.

South African scrumhalf kick more from the base of the ruck than other test teams, instead of passing to the flyhalf. 


AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
07 Nov 2022, 23:45
#22
07 Nov 2022, 23:45#22

What flyhalf really....can you blame him.

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
08 Nov 2022, 01:41
#23
08 Nov 2022, 01:41#23

Savea, the world's best loosie weighs 95kg.

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