Where to with De Allende

Are you saying that because a player is not currently in the Bok squad, Meyer does not rate him?

well i hope not as i reckon he might be a bok in a couple of years as JDV wont last much longer. with WP management nothing is impossible they managed to overlook a player like willie le roux and hordes of other great talent

maybe he should go to toulon then meyer will select him LOL

Mike, read my question again.

I have the names of both the camps. Who were the sick lame and lazies who were included in the first camp?

In April, when the training camp was held, it was after round 9. Not even halfway through the S15 competition, so I do not see hwo you can talk about De Jongh's disastrous S15. In the following camp De Jongh was gone.

What you seem to misunderstand is that, at first, your impression of "off form " is just that. Your impression. You are not the national coach and while you are fully allowed an opinion, it is not your job on the line, and it is not your bigger plan of what is to happen in months to come and what is to be put in place.

The second part is that once you have the players that you see as part of your bigger plan, you have to keep them involved, even if they are not physically 100%. You have a deep-rooted dislike in Morne Steyn and it is your right, but he fits in in what Heyneke Meyer has in his planning. Last year a lot of people, including Heyneke Meyer realised that Steyn has been playing too much rugby. It did not take a rocket scientist to work that out. He dropped him out of the team but kept him in and involved in the squad. It paid off. You will obviously disagree, but it has paid off. The same was done with Patrick Lambie. He spent a lot of time with the Bok squad, even though he hardly had any game time. He was there and he was involved and it paid off. This year was a mixed bag for Lambie, because his team went through a bad patch and then there was all the shenanigans at his franchise.

Now, as far as De Allende goes, he is a talented player with lots of talent but does that mean that he has to be in the mix right now, at this moment? Is he his teams first option when the team is at full strength, i.e. all the national players back, etc? I don't think so. Yes, Serfontein was injured at a time, but it is clear that he is in the mix and should rightfully be in the mix. At the time of the training camps, it was already clear that he was going to be in teh team, once fit again. It was after all only trianing camps in preperation for tests to come. De Allende's time will come, if he stays in contention. Remmeber the expression: "All good things.........."

I have probably wasted my time typing out all of this, because you would probably start of with a personal attack telling me that I am stupid, knows nothing and that I have been lying as well.

de Allende is the real deal........he has that ability to beat tackles and impose himself physically. He would be in my starting side on the wing. I'd have Willie at 15 where he belongs, with de Allende and Habana on the wing.

 The thing that getst on my tits is the fact Coetzee only select Howard for one game. What the hell!!!!!

In their first game for WP, De Allende and Howard combined beatifully. Now they are back to their midget size quota players. 

We need to get Howard and De Allende playing together, they are the future of WP and the boks centres, forget JJ and De Villiers to play in 2015. We got time to get these guys playing at a higher level. 

I really rate Serfontein too but they are making way to much hyped, the kid is turning into a bash it up centre. Probably be better for him if he went to the cheetahs. At least he will learn how to play with the ball

 Saffex, have you heard of this fella,Taz Fuzani, Coetzee have select to start on Friday. Whats up with these quota selections. Last year we had to put up with Marcel Brach who was no professional rugby player, not we have to put up with these

Nope Aplon  isn't slow....but de Allende is just Trevor Halstead reincarnated.

You guys go on and on and on and on about all these new players who are the next must players for the Boks. Who  has emerged in two seasons since the RWC....Etzebeth and maybe Willie. It's all speculative and over blown. So I'm not dreaming up anything Oom, I'm waiting for proof..... You are the dreamer.

@Saffex

Gotta disagree regarding de Allende.

I'm not convinced he has what it takes (speed wide) to be a top class wing.

Also, i find him to be fairly 1 dimensional at 12.

Sure, he has at times shown some deft touches on attack, and is a very good defender, but i feel that for international rugga, you need more than that. A 12 needs to have a bit of spark and good vision.

I'm not for 1 minute saying that we have anyone better! But I dont't think he has what it takes to ignite a Bok backline.

I'm hoping J Serfontein has a cracking 2014 season! I think they should have kept him at Currie Cup this year to get some more game time, and then start blooding him next year.

In saying that, I also understand that Meyer wants to expose him to international rugga slowly.

Saf... what was our Junior Bok 12's name? The coloured fella? He also looked incredible until he got injured!

Flash, de Allende is not a 12, I reckon his spot is 13.......he is not your creative/flair type of player, he is more of a finisher who relies on strength and a good step. Not sure where Moz gets his take on his defence as he is a damn good defender as you say.

He has the credentials to make a good centre as his physicality takes him over the advantage line.

The coloured centre who played for the Baby Boks played 13, his name is Justin Geduld, far too small for senior rugby, does not even weigh 80kg. He is part of the Bok 7's squad, that is where his future lies.

Lets look at it objectively. Is De Allende good enough in the centres for 2015. I will list a few reasons why he is not:

Jean De Villiers

Jan Serfontein

Robert Ebersohn

Pat Howard

Stokkies Hanekom

Just a few players mentioned above more likely to create tries than De Allende. Is he good enough for the wing in 2015. A few more reasons why he is not:

Bryan Habana

Willie Le Roux

JP Pietersen

Gerhard Van Den Heever

Anyone faster than De Allende that has not been listed, feel free.

Way too many okes on here just willing to dish out Bok caps. Mike, you seem very anti about a lot of the Bok selections. Lets put there last game into perspective. The ref fucked them in a huge way yet we restricted NZL to 4 tries. Let me tell you something. NZL only had 1 forward on that field that could slightly match Bizzy and that is Read. Smart player but he is also very McCaw like in the way he is clever and devious. Often doing illegal shit. Bizzy was terrorising the AB's at the breakdowns and in his short time on (14 mins) before the card, he already stole 2 balls and made some big carries. More than their specialist fetcher in Cane!

We lost Bizzy and Alberts. That changes everything. Those are our two biggest ball carriers. Our game plan revolves around our big guys mauling and carrying and so on. How can we play our game plan with just Vermuelen and Etzebeth! Had the AB's lost Read and Whitelock, would their pack have been able to stop our pack pushing their scrum around? Smashing their forwards into the ground and picking up tries at will? NEVER!

NZL scored a try from an early 5m line-out. Easiest time to score. Another when Bizzy was off and had to grind for another 2. No flash back line moves. They had a grind against a 7 man Bok pack.

This is a good Bok team. We dont need to make too many changes now. We just need this team to grow into a formidable unit. We cant keep changing. We will never get combinations going!

Oh brother ... now Howard's a class act ... funny, last week he was dog shit ... I guess it goes from day to day with ol Stupid, huh?

Smoke a spliff today and Howard's good ...get back on the meths tomorrow and suddenly he's awful.

Tell me Stupid, what's it gonna be today??

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaaaaaaa ... De Allende a Bok wing????

And I suppose you fancy HouGat at 9, huh ... or ... wait ... Jantjies at 10 ... right??

Shampies!!!  Never mind, Stupid. I know your trying ...

There is a very big difference between a good player and a Bok.

De Allende reminds me a lot of Robbie Fruean. Big powerful runner that will never amount to much cause that’s all he is … a big powerful runner. He needs a skillful inside man to set things up for him cause he doesn’t have the talent to do it himself. He had a cracker of a season when playing outside SBW a few seasons back but fell away completely when this dynamic talent was replaced by a talentless average Joe like Crotty.

There’s a whole lot more needed to make it at the top. He doesn’t have it. A player cannot always depend on someone else’s efforts to look good. He has to create his own opportunities at times, as well as that for his fellow team mates.

Sorry Mike … I don’t rate De Allende at all. I know Stupid does but hey … what’s new … the fool’s confused at the best of times.He has difficulty determining which is his arse and which is his elbow.

With regards to the Bokke … I believe we have what it takes to beat the All Blacks … even with this team. The same team you keep shooting down … yes I do agree that it needs a tweak here and there but little snippets of brilliance has shown itself and Meyer’ll get it right. We need to be patient with him. His passion to do us proud is all I need to support him.

Besides … the All Blacks are not as special as we keep hearing from their one eyed supports. They’ll have us believe they’re invincible but a little physicality and they go off limping … holding shoulders and throats … bitching all the way ... calling for red cards and such like.