STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
10 Jul 2014, 14:18#3
Frans is one of the key catalysts for momentum in every team he has ever played for Michael. He gets the team going forward, it's a guarantee every time; that's extremely valuable in modern rugby. One of the best defenders in the game, one of only a handful of backline players who can utterly destroy even the most powerful of forwards. His devastating carries create a huge vaccum, soaking up a many as three defenders at a time. He has to be marked heavily and this in itself is exploitable. With that offload, long pass and massive boot, he is the perfect inside centre. He is a strong persona that you can build your entire gameplan around. To insinuate that he is a liability is a disgrace beyond redemption. But then hey, Goosen - a player who has never landed a dominant tackle in three seasons at all levels of senior rugby, the worst defender in Springbok history who has already single-handedly cost the Boks DIRECTLY two All Black tests - is a must. That you back some of the most average players I have ever seen play says it all.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
10 Jul 2014, 14:43#5
Swiel obviously isn't ticking all the boxes just yet. I think he is a good player, but he has a lot of work ahead of him. Ultimately, nobody has really done enough to own the 10 jersey. This is what's ultimately costing them. Not Jake's fault, just the cards that were dealt; he's making the best of it and that, right now, is Frans - And that's coming from someone who never wanted him at 10, not even when everyone knew he was the next Naas.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Jul 2014, 14:56#6
Jake the Snake is a good coach, but his mouth is too big sometimes and his loyalty to his employers is suspect. Jake comes first...always. Although he is a far better coach and manager as Alistair, I'm glad he's at the Sharks and not in CT. It looks like Gert might be better for WP ATM.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
10 Jul 2014, 14:59#7
Jake will always outperform any South African coach. Meyer is the closest, but Jake has more experience. The Stormers need a complete overhaul, and that requires an architect to put it all together; currently only Jake and Meyer have shown any capacity to do that.
CLclevermike
Coach57,555 posts
CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Jul 2014, 15:06#8
Sun Tzu
Problem is that Styn has the reputation of getting go-forward balls for thr Sharks but in the whole of Super 15 thus far this year he did it exactly once in the Crusaders game. The rest of the games he was a mess. All your praise singing sounds nice on paper - but on th field of play it really is never in evidence. There is no way the countless possession losses and lack of line breaking ability will be countenanced by other coaches.
Steyn was very good before his departure for France and never on that par since his return. Reputation players not producing tangible results are problematic for any team. Maybe it is the knee problem that really reduce Steyn to the slow and unproductive player he is at present.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Jul 2014, 15:07#9
That might be so. Rassie tried it, but almost destroyed the team's identity. Gert learned a couple of things since he coached WP way back, and Jake is coaching the Sharks.I agree that WP needs a complete overhaul and I think Gert has already made some positive strides to achieve this, but there are a lot of work to be done still.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
10 Jul 2014, 15:13#10
Gert may be no architect, but he isn't stupid either. I hope it works out for him, I don't like seeing the Stormers playing like a third-tier side. But part of that evolution, particularly in the try stakes means moving on from Jean. As a player who can spot an intercept, he is dangerous, but as a functional piece to a wider array of units? He is of very littlr value. He has been holding the Stormers and Bok back for too long.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Jul 2014, 15:18#12
De Allende seems to be coming on nicely and there was some other centres in the wings as well, so I think there is life after Jean, as there will be after Scalla. Even the Cheetahs were able to find someone after Juan.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jul 2014, 15:44#13
I have been a big fan of Frans but I have veryserious doubts about him. He looks aboiut done right now. Biggest assets is that massive boot but the althlete of old looks to be gone.I have gone off Alberts. He work rate is very poor. If you want big number 7 there are mor worthy options like Burger 114 kg, Potgieter about the same, Du Toit and also Du Plessis at close to 120 kg. All work much harder than Alberts and have more skills. Personally I like Alberts better at lock.
I think Jake is trying to get Frans to put the pacy jordaan into space where if he cuts a line he is through to score. I also though Sweil showed some very classy touches and should at least beon the bench gaining experience. Zeilinga is a good flyhalf and nice alround package.
Small is defintely a big step up from Alistair so hopefully we will do better next year and hopefuly palyers will be better managed and ther will be less crippling injuries. It would seem the Stormers could still have a good sqaud in 2015. We shall see.One wonders if in 2015, a WC year, whether some foreign based pla yers will return to SA so as better to catch Meyers eye.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jul 2014, 15:49#14
Jean and Habana are still worthy of being chosen for the Boks. The young guns need to prove they are better. That I dont believe has happened. Who exactly are better?
I look fowrard to seeing how Jean goes after his refeshing break - once he has settled in again.
It appears that cained ou came back from Japan all fired up - if the kbbs are to be believed.
In what shape will Bekker be. Not that its critical but the more top players we have in great form the better.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jul 2014, 15:56#16
Hahahahahahha very funny snapster. Jean has consistently been out best 12. Nobody yet has been better. Nobody.
Frans is way off the pace. Those knees must be shot. I have been watching him and really cant find cause for hope - very unfortunately as he looked destined to be an all time great.
We may see him in the RC and see then if he can lift his game. Perhaps he is coasting. Its clutching at straws stuff.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Jul 2014, 16:01#17
Fransie does not want to play for the Boks Beeno.
DBDbDraad
Captain26,388 posts
DBDbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
10 Jul 2014, 16:21#19
Saffex, do you actually watch the rugby? Jan might be the future, but Jean is still the present and will be our captain till the RWC if fit to play. Now, unlike your drivel, that's a fact you can take to the bank.
BEBeeno1
Captain40,032 posts
BEBeeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Jul 2014, 16:29#20
Snapster you wrote off both Habana and Jean and was forced to eat humble pie.Jean was a 2013 nomination for SA player of the year. Where were Frans and Jan? Not on the list. I grant you Jean at 33 and 103 kg is getting on. BUT if merit is the principle then somebody has to play better to unseat him. It hasnt happened yet.
It's great to still have Jean around. Buys us time while Jan matures and gives us an excellent mentor.
See the bigger picture snapster! Understand the game. Dont be like ou windpomp!