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Whitelock, Retallick locking force to be reckoned with; by Wynne Gray NZ Herald

Started by Just_win17 REPLIES314 VIEWS· 17 Jun 2014, 23:37
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Jun 2014, 23:37
#1
17 Jun 2014, 23:37#1

Locks like loose-forwards perform best as a combination. It's hard to think the All Blacks' most capped lock Ian Jones would have been as productive alongside someone like Ali Williams.

They were too much alike, great lineout leapers with strong athletic ability around the field but might have lacked a bit of combined sting for the scrums, rucks and mauls.

Similarly Brad Thorn and Robin Brooke would have delivered a powerful engine but restricted the lineout options if they were paired.

After the All Blacks' triumph at the 2011 World Cup Thorn, Williams and Anthony Boric dealt with injury or wandered into the sunset leaving Whitelock as the team's premier lock.

He started all but the opening game against Tonga and by the end of the tournament had gathered 25 test caps after a debut the year before.

Whitelock is only 25 but has now played 53 tests and shown a range of athletic abilities outside his hard-core duties which make him an invaluable tight forward.

Alongside him in the test series with England has been Brodie Retallick, who at 23 is also showing a remarkable range of skill and endurance for such a new test lock.

He graduated to the All Black ranks in 2012 after a compelling debut season with the Chiefs. He made his debut alongside Whitelock and they have started 15 tests together.

For a while, Luke Romano and Retallick alternated as partners for Whitelock but when injury affected Romano, Retallick picked up the selection fortune. The scrum has not been affected while the pair's ability to range wide on attack or defence and their workrate at rucks and mauls has been superb.

Retallick tends to line up at the front of the lineout where his 2.04m, 117kg frame and timing ensures he is a very reliable source of possession.

Whitelock moves between the middle and tail of the lineout where he is adept at spotting mis-matches on throws or can disrupt the opposition with his timing and anticipation. Like his colleague he has a huge motor within his 2.02m, 116kg physique.

They have been in tandem for 11 of the All Blacks' present run of 16 successive victories honing skills in areas such as kickoff receptions and attacking the All Black restarts.

Whitelock and Retallick have not shut the door on rivals in the All Black squad. They will assist in the development of Patrick Tuipulotu, Dominic Bird and Luke Romano when he returns but right now they are engraving their names deep in the selectors' notebooks.

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
17 Jun 2014, 23:38
#2
17 Jun 2014, 23:38#2
Two excellent locks & more in the pipeline.
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
18 Jun 2014, 13:52
#3
18 Jun 2014, 13:52#3

very interesting article, JW, as it was other one you posted this same week about the tight five.

AB props, hooker and locks are playing like loose forwards around the field lifting the total game to another level. It's really worth to watch. They all had a great game against England last weekend and outplayed the english tight five for most of the match. Whitelock and Retallick had a lot to do in this. They are by far the most inform test lock pair atm.

And Whitelock is IMO the best lock in the world. He has no rival in the lineouts, his work rate is second to none (the only one near him is probably Retallick), all the matches he plays he spend the 80 min running everywhere, he's always the one who goes to get the ball after a penalti or another call is made, etc.

But he's also one of the bests (if not the best) lock at breakdowns, he's good at scrums, and carries th ball strongly. He's probably the most complete lock I've seen playing.

 

And Etzebeth is a great lock, good at lineouts, probably the strongest ball carrier but has a lot to work if he wants to reach Whitelock's level

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:03
#4
18 Jun 2014, 14:03#4
 ABasquefan
Welccome back - you have been absent for a while.
Insofar as the AB Tight 5 is concerned - they are of the weakest Tight 5 imaginable - their props are poor and their locks are average in Tight 5 play.   In loser formats Retallick looks good and Whitelock average.  But that is not going to win them games in the WC.   
I think amongst their forwards - their loosies are normally top class, but have suddenly also developed negative images.  McCaw was really poor in some aspects of the game in the latest two tests,  Kaino was red hot in the first test and very average in the second one - and Messam was largely invisible in both tests.  Read is more off with injury than he is available and when he did play for the Crusaders he was not a shadow of his performances in 2012 and 2013.
I would say their loosies are on a negative slide and that is for the AB's a bigger problem than even their rather bog ordinary Tight 5 is.   
 
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:13
#5
18 Jun 2014, 14:13#5
 Well said Mike I think you summed it up well. What are these kiwis smoking!! 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:17
#6
18 Jun 2014, 14:17#6
 Well said Mike I think you summed it up well. What are these kiwis smoking!! 

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:38
#7
18 Jun 2014, 14:38#7
 Mike, we may as well give up then if our AB team is that bad. 16 wins on the trot is really unacceptable!Retallick had a blinder last week and so did Whitelock with his kick-off receiving.Our lineout for once worked superbly with Retallick catching every ball that was thrown to him. You've always been critical of his lineout ability so how about paying a compliment when it's due.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:41
#8
18 Jun 2014, 14:41#8
Abasquefan : Welcome back.!
The usual chest beating from our SA friends. They fail to see basic facts like because of the style of play & poor player management they can't field a decent pack. Look at all the injuries to their top forwards. They can always trot out bakkies & wee matfield but they are only available because they are semi retired or being managed better in Europe . These facts will be the undoing of the Bok pack today & in the Rwc .well you can always join in supporting the ABs if you want to see good forwards play  
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:47
#9
18 Jun 2014, 14:47#9
 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OU JW HAS FINALLY CRACKED.   
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:48
#10
18 Jun 2014, 14:48#10
 Your locks are smaller than our  loosies! Bwahahahhahahaha
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
18 Jun 2014, 14:59
#11
18 Jun 2014, 14:59#11

 thanks Mike, I tried during this weekend to enter this site but I couldn't.

 

We'll speak in a couple of months about how weak the AB tight five are after they run over the springbok's one. The old and slow boks tight five won't even know where their AB counterparts are.

 

And the loose trio Kaino-McCaw-Read is simply the best in the world. Kaino was the best loose forward and best player of 2011, and he's reaching his best form. McCaw is the best ever openside flanker. And Read is the best 8 of the world and the few times he played this season he showed his class, probably he didn't reach his top form but this doesn't mean that he was a shadow of his past performances. They'll no doubt show bok loose trio deficiencies, mainly their slowness and lack of involving at breakdowns

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jun 2014, 15:06
#12
18 Jun 2014, 15:06#12
 Its was funny then how England B walloped the abs and would but for disgraceful mistakes by ref have won the game. Ditto second test where the yellow again undid England.Now you tell us the tight five is magnificent and the loose trio of crocks like mcaaw, read ou fading and wee kai ned ou are the worlds best.  oh my aching sides.
These kbbs are smoking strong stuff! 
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2014, 15:16
#13
18 Jun 2014, 15:16#13
 AB
Meyer is mad to select the tight 5 he had last week.   I think that by the time of the RC the tight 5 would look different to the last one.  He should get rid of Matfield - Botha is already out for the coming test against Wales and hopefully would stay out.
A tight 5 with the following players would indeed be problematic for all sides:-
1  Mtawarire2  Du Plessis3  Malherbe4  De Jager/Etzebeth5  Etzebeth/De Jager
I had a quick look at the stats for the past test and neither Retallick or Whitelock showed much in tackling or ball carries.   They made combined 6 tackles in nearly 80 minutes each on the field of play.  The youngster - De Jager - made 11 tackles in 40 minute and they really were hard tackles.  
I would also like to see Alberts being shown the door.  We have some really fast loosies available - but Meyer is sticking with donkeys like Alberts.   I would rather be more woriied if Hansen replaces McCaw as a loosie - tht would really present a problem - since he is not up to standard anymore and a change will strengthen the back row of the AB's     
AB
ABasquefanPro2,549 posts
18 Jun 2014, 15:19
#14
18 Jun 2014, 15:19#14

thanks JW,

as you said they fail to see basic facts. They think they have the best forward pack just because they beat a no-national team and a weakened Wales (3 rd last 6 nations) and they cannot recognized how the AB pack demolished the english pack, with the AB' and the springboks' the bests in the world.

 

@beeno,

don't you still know that not only the size matters?

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
18 Jun 2014, 15:24
#15
18 Jun 2014, 15:24#15

Beeno: are your top locks playing for the Boks right now? The answer is no, they are injured. Is weeee Matfield playing? What about Bakies? Yes they are playing. Tragic but true.

 

Poor player management & too much emphasis on the killer hit, in the end it wears down your best players & you have to oil the wheel chairs & push poor ol' matfield & bakies out onto the field. Ah the waste... we would rather play your best team but what can we do... at least we can try and enlighten you as the reasons but are you listening? We await an informed response

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2014, 15:24
#16
18 Jun 2014, 15:24#16
I cant remember when last I saw Retallick make an impression. Whitelock is a handy player but nothing special  
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
19 Jun 2014, 00:06
#17
19 Jun 2014, 00:06#17
 Saffex, have another look at last week's test. Retallick was all over the park and had a great game!
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
19 Jun 2014, 00:28
#18
19 Jun 2014, 00:28#18
Rugby 365 Team of the Week:
4 - Brodie Retallick (New Zealand):
For some time now the muscle and enforcer in the All Black team.
Bubbling under: Alexandre Flanquart (France)"
Of course we won't say who was selected at 4 for Planet Rugby, Beeno is already fragile mentally and revealing their pick might push him over the edge, lol
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