Whitley vs Read...both are tiny

Watched a highlights clip of Wellington game.

Players stats for the two 8s was...

Read 

Height 193 Weight 110kg

Whitley

Height 193 Weight 108kg

Wonder how Read is considered one of if not the best 8 playing right now when he, just like Whitely is obviously not big/physical enough for test rugby.

Similarly Kilosi and Cane are practically identical in size and weight...with Kolisu being a faster sprinter.

Surely NZ have an 8 somewhere that IS big enough for test rugby.

My advice? Drop Read now. The 100 test experiment has obviously failed. He's just not big enough.

E agerly awaiting the following sentence...

"The prematch player stats are normally out by at least 20%. Reid walks around at 130kgs and Whitely at about 75kgs. Don't believe what you see on tv."

I've been watching Read and Cane closely this season. They are excellent defenders and carriers. Read is an incredible player. Whiteley has also been very good. Does alot of dirty work. Kolisi and Cane could barely be farther removed from one another. 

plum

I beg to add to your comments  about Read and Whiteley - as well as on Cane and Kolisi.

I think that Read is in fact moving into what I call the declining stages of his career.   He was the World Rugby Player of the Year at one stage - but over the last three years his career was negatively affected by injury and for instance this year he played no Super Rugby.   Advancing age is also beginning to take its tole.  I think that although Hansen still regards him a good enough player insofar as NZ is concerned, I do not think he is the yardstick to measure performance against anymore. 

My problem with Kolisi is that he is incapable of one of the basic functions of a openside flank.   That is the issue of breakdown ball protection and recovery - inclusive of possession turnovers.   He tries hard and in some cases he did try to get turnovers, but I mostly result in penalties.    

In reality I accept Kolisi as a certain selection - but still see deficiencies in his performance - which is largely a bsent in the case of Cane.

"tiny" would be a slight exaggeration Plum.

Most loosies are around the 110kg mark.

Schalk weighs 114

Sam Cane weighs 103

Michael Hooper weighs 101

Pockock weighs 115

So 110 really isnt tiny.

I know some of the okes like Mako Vunipola weigh like 120kg's but they are built like animals.

I must be honest though, just judging from what i see in the tele... read looks much bigger than 110kgs.

@Rooi...

Yeah i think i got that wrong.

Sorry about that.

I see Plums point. I need to read properly before  I reply.

@ Chippo

FFS you useless idiot of mornic tosser can you not read even simple english because you are a...

hahahahahah

Just kidding man!!!

Had you there for a second huh?

If anyone on this site is guilty of misreading stuff i'm sure that title belongs squarely to me

No probs dude.

Back to the point.

The only complaint anyone has about Whitely is his size. No other down side to him has been mentioned here, that i can remember anyway. It's always that he's not physical enough. I've always believed that to be nonesnse.

So is he or is he not too small?

Any takers?

As for Kolisi

I'm not propping him up or knocking him down.

Jsut pointing out that he is also said to be too small but is the same size as the AB's first pick in that position...and a bit faster of the mark. Not that Cane's a slouch. That's all.

Admitedly, Kolisi is growing on me. Maybe more as a personality than a player but either way, i don't hate the guy.

Saying that, he has also had a few nice moments on the field this year. Just wish he'd made that pas s in the recent AB game.

Not saying you guys are wrong.

Just odd that everyone keeps estimating Read's weight too low and Whitely's too high.

From wiki to whoever is doing the player stats before games. haha Maybe Sky/DSTV get their stats from Wikipedia too.

Would nt suprise me if they did.

Mikey ,Mikey ,Mikey .

In your world any AB over the age of 23 is too old and in decline ,like DC ,Nonu and Maccaw who outplayed all their opponents both during and before the RWC 2015.

Nonu is still world class and Maccaw and DC would still be on any teams wishlist.

Plum

From all my time of watch NZ Rugby at a distance - I don't think they much care about what South Africans think - I don't think they really have much respect for them at all.

They may well do for 80 Minutes + on the field but off the field and South African Comment about anything concerning NZ Rugby isn't really worth shit. 

South Africans may think they do - but they don't know anything about NZ or Kiwi Rugby / Even less about the AB's.

Truth be known - I don't really think New Zealanders give a rats arse about South Africa or South Africans - In fact I think in true honesty - They have very little respect for South Africa and laugh at a distance as it disintergrates.    

Herr Drache, we agreed that we'd limit your role playing to further your therapy. 

is that because the White Souh Africans don't like what they are reading?

One White idot South African tried it on with me lasy year in Sydney.

Wouldn't take no for an answer - Told him that South Africans don't do it for me and I kicked him in the balls and as he went down I kneeded him in the head and then my boyfriend pissed in his face.    

LOSER

No, that's because you have a massive chip on your shoulder Troll....

PS, you've got some serious issues,  go see someone. 

Who said I was white? Look at that for racial profiling. I love to watch them fail. 

You can now explain to the rest of the white males on the forum why they are subhumans. 

... LOSER

"Told him that South Africans don't do it for me and I kicked him in the balls and as he went down I kneeded him in the head and then my boyfriend pissed in his face."

Sounds totally plausible.

Any more genial works of fiction you'd like to drop on us ?

Hahahahahahaha

@ Linda

Very unlady like of your boyfriend to squat in the street. 

In the street?

Ye right

Rugby Linda calls others gay as though it's an insult while at the same time being a guy that is posting about how his boyfriend defends his honour...On a rugby site.

Haha

Unfounded levels of repression and sadness on display for the world to pity.

Poor creature.

Just be fabulous.  Embrace those soft fabrics and bright colours. Dance like you really want to. Meeow until the sun comes up.

Stop hiding that copy of Yentl under your bed. 

You'll never be Barbra. But it's in your power to be the most flaming queen in the village. 

Good luck.

Haha

Mofgat!

Plum, you homophobe!

YENTL...LMAO!!!

The golden shower thing must have been a Freudian slip LOL, what do you think Plum...some serious undertones here?

Hehe - Idiots.

Hehe - irony.