I'm just looking at the back line players in the squad but noticed that there is only one specialist 13 in Juan de Jong. Who do you think Meyer will pick and who would you pick?
Pro3,695 posts
04 Aug 2014, 14:25
#1
04 Aug 2014, 14:25#1
Who is Meyer going to select at 13?
Started by kingcorn30 REPLIES2,267 VIEWS· 04 Aug 2014, 14:25
Pro2,580 posts
04 Aug 2014, 14:35
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04 Aug 2014, 14:35#2
I don't even think Du Jongh is in the squad, unless I missed it. I would say Serfointain.
Pro3,695 posts
04 Aug 2014, 14:42
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04 Aug 2014, 14:42#3
You are right, looked at the squad in July. Only 3 centers in the current Squad. De Villiers will start and probably at 13.
Might be a combo of 12 - Serfontein, 13 De Villiers. Although there was talk of De Allende at 13 before he got injured.
Might be a combo of 12 - Serfontein, 13 De Villiers. Although there was talk of De Allende at 13 before he got injured.
Pro1,978 posts
04 Aug 2014, 14:47
#4
04 Aug 2014, 14:47#4
De Allende should get a crack..Serfontein is nothing special and too slow..JDV is best at 12...JDV and De Allende are superior players..They are faster, bigger, stronger and more skillful...It should be a no brainer really..
Coach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2014, 15:12
#5
04 Aug 2014, 15:12#5
There could be a problem here - because De Allende always played at 12 and De Billiers at 13 - before De Jongh came back from injury. I think De Villiers wanted it that way - because De Allende is a very clever and strong inside center with the ability to create space for players outside of him.
That may influence Meyer as well - but I think that De Allender is the only choice Meyer has at 13 if he passes the medical test today.
There is one thing I am delighted about and that is the absence from De Jongh from the squad. he is a good finisher once somebody else puts him into space - but he also has a terribly poor defense record.
That may influence Meyer as well - but I think that De Allender is the only choice Meyer has at 13 if he passes the medical test today.
There is one thing I am delighted about and that is the absence from De Jongh from the squad. he is a good finisher once somebody else puts him into space - but he also has a terribly poor defense record.
Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2014, 15:14
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04 Aug 2014, 15:14#6
Knowing useless Meyer, he will probably play Etzebeth at 13
Captain26,388 posts
04 Aug 2014, 15:19
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04 Aug 2014, 15:19#7
Mike, on what do you base your choice of Da Allende at 13 for the Boks? I can only ever recall him at 12 and wing for WP and the Stormers. It might be a viable option, and I would like to see him there for the Boks, but it would be stupid playing him there in a test without properly testing him there first. Jean will probably start at 13 with him and whoever is 12 swapping from time to time during the game.
Pro4,378 posts
04 Aug 2014, 15:22
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04 Aug 2014, 15:22#8
I think Saffex might be onto something there......a bold selectorial choice, Sir
Captain30,741 posts
04 Aug 2014, 15:24
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04 Aug 2014, 15:24#9
I would not put it past this ignorant fool.......I want to see what the idiot is going to do after we squeeze past the Argies and lose to Oz and NZ.......that's going to be a laugh
Coach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2014, 15:59
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04 Aug 2014, 15:59#10
Kingcorn
I always had a very high opinion of De Allende and has placed an extensive background report on him on the site, about 18 months ago already. His fuirst appearances in the Stormers team was when ehc ame off the bench for the Stormers in a CC game against the Bulls and scored a very good try. Was then surprised when they moved him to inside center against the Sharks when de Villiers was injured and in that game ran through Francois Steyn as if he was not there.
After the return of De Jongh he was moved to wing - where he was equally useful and he could even play on the wing for the Springboks.
Saffex would have a fit - but from my point of view he is a better center than Serfomtein. He is physically stronger, pacier and have some really good passing and off-loading skills.
I think that Meyer would select him at 13 and depending on the status of the game - he and De Villiers will change position on the field of play.
I think that Meyer knows we are in a dwang with 13's and he would really like to see De Allende filling that position on a permanent basis in future. He is a definite for the 13 position in the Argentina tests and we will then see how he develops further.
From what I have read about De Allende and especially the comments of experts on him - Dixon said that he is so talented it depends entirely on him whether he wants to be a Springbok or not - in other words if he decides to play and play well - the Springbok selectors will have no option but to select him.
I am sure he will do very well and be the Springbok cenmter for the next 8 years - he is only 22 years old.
The young guns (Pollard, De Allende and De Jager) are likely to be fixtures in the team after the RC .
I always had a very high opinion of De Allende and has placed an extensive background report on him on the site, about 18 months ago already. His fuirst appearances in the Stormers team was when ehc ame off the bench for the Stormers in a CC game against the Bulls and scored a very good try. Was then surprised when they moved him to inside center against the Sharks when de Villiers was injured and in that game ran through Francois Steyn as if he was not there.
After the return of De Jongh he was moved to wing - where he was equally useful and he could even play on the wing for the Springboks.
Saffex would have a fit - but from my point of view he is a better center than Serfomtein. He is physically stronger, pacier and have some really good passing and off-loading skills.
I think that Meyer would select him at 13 and depending on the status of the game - he and De Villiers will change position on the field of play.
I think that Meyer knows we are in a dwang with 13's and he would really like to see De Allende filling that position on a permanent basis in future. He is a definite for the 13 position in the Argentina tests and we will then see how he develops further.
From what I have read about De Allende and especially the comments of experts on him - Dixon said that he is so talented it depends entirely on him whether he wants to be a Springbok or not - in other words if he decides to play and play well - the Springbok selectors will have no option but to select him.
I am sure he will do very well and be the Springbok cenmter for the next 8 years - he is only 22 years old.
The young guns (Pollard, De Allende and De Jager) are likely to be fixtures in the team after the RC .
Club Pro492 posts
04 Aug 2014, 16:11
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04 Aug 2014, 16:11#11
"Serfontein is nothing special and too slow..JDV is best at 12"
Boklogic
Not true. You definitely didn't watch the June matches or you are deluded, one or the other. Serfontein has in fact proved that he can play superbly at 12 for the boks, he is a strong ball runner with determination. You say he is too slow but in reality JDV is no faster than Serfontein, clearify? I don't regard JDV as a bad player and I wouldn't remove him from the squad as he brings experience around the players but the reasonable option is to play him off the bench at this stage. Serfontein needs to be first choice inside centre so he can develop as a even better international player, if it doesn't happen sooner or latter that potential will be wasted just like what happened to other players in the past.
Kingcorn
To answer your question I think Meyer would opt for De Allende at 13 (If fully recovered) There has been speculation that De Allende would've start in all the June tests if he wasn't injured. And I would of course back the centre combo of Serfontein at 12 and De Allende at 13.
Boklogic
Not true. You definitely didn't watch the June matches or you are deluded, one or the other. Serfontein has in fact proved that he can play superbly at 12 for the boks, he is a strong ball runner with determination. You say he is too slow but in reality JDV is no faster than Serfontein, clearify? I don't regard JDV as a bad player and I wouldn't remove him from the squad as he brings experience around the players but the reasonable option is to play him off the bench at this stage. Serfontein needs to be first choice inside centre so he can develop as a even better international player, if it doesn't happen sooner or latter that potential will be wasted just like what happened to other players in the past.
Kingcorn
To answer your question I think Meyer would opt for De Allende at 13 (If fully recovered) There has been speculation that De Allende would've start in all the June tests if he wasn't injured. And I would of course back the centre combo of Serfontein at 12 and De Allende at 13.
Captain49,914 posts
04 Aug 2014, 16:12
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04 Aug 2014, 16:12#12
You have to love puerile stuff like:
"Dixon said that he is so talented it depends entirely on him whether he wants to be a Springbok or not - in other words if he decides to play and play well - the Springbok selectors will have no option but to select him."
Unfortunately this kind of throw back to 1950s thinking is still rife.
Coach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2014, 17:09
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04 Aug 2014, 17:09#13
Mozart
Sure - but Dixon coached the guy and obviously knows more about him than you do. There is nothing wrong in what he said - but it does not fit in with your line of bullshit thinking.
Anyone who thinks that Matfield, Morne and Bakkies are still good enough is not able to think at all or retarded in thinking - so I take your comment as coming from the great rugby illiterate.
Sure - but Dixon coached the guy and obviously knows more about him than you do. There is nothing wrong in what he said - but it does not fit in with your line of bullshit thinking.
Anyone who thinks that Matfield, Morne and Bakkies are still good enough is not able to think at all or retarded in thinking - so I take your comment as coming from the great rugby illiterate.
Captain40,032 posts
04 Aug 2014, 17:43
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04 Aug 2014, 17:43#14
I think Meyer will ultimately go for Jean at 12 and Allende at 13. BUT he may start the first test with Jan at 12 and Jean at 13 and play Allende off the bench - the way I would go. Allende has been out for a long time.
When fit Allende is a must have player for the Boks.
Post Jean its looking like Jan and Allende as our centers?
When fit Allende is a must have player for the Boks.
Post Jean its looking like Jan and Allende as our centers?
Coach57,555 posts
04 Aug 2014, 18:22
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04 Aug 2014, 18:22#15
Beeno
I am not so sure about what Meyer is going to do with De Allende. I still think that the likely candidate for 13 will be De Allende because De Villiers is not as effective at 13 as he is at 12. What I am sure of is that De Billiers and Meyer will talk this one over like it is unbelievable and De Villiers's input will count with Meyer.
I am not so sure about what Meyer is going to do with De Allende. I still think that the likely candidate for 13 will be De Allende because De Villiers is not as effective at 13 as he is at 12. What I am sure of is that De Billiers and Meyer will talk this one over like it is unbelievable and De Villiers's input will count with Meyer.
Pro3,695 posts
04 Aug 2014, 19:46
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04 Aug 2014, 19:46#16
I like the option of De Allende at 13, he seems to have the right skill set to be good in the role. The only problem is that 13 is the hardest position to defend on the field. Jacque Fourie was a successful convert from 15 to 13. For me there are two key skill sets a 13 needs. 1. Running onto the ball and into space. Being able to read opposition back line play so that he can cut down any move. If you look at Jacque Fourie defence, he often use to push up, to see what's coming. In return it cut down the players option to pass to 13 or any player in that channel as it could lead to an intercept, but he was also good enough not to leave a hole for a player to run into at an angle. Another great asset of Fourie use to be his pace to be able to get his timing right. Adam Ahsley Cooper showed it over the weekend of what a well time run can do to defence. Tuilagi use brute strenght and pace. I think De Allende can do the job and if he can work on those two key areas, can become a permanent bok.
Now we just need to find a decent 9
Now we just need to find a decent 9
Pro3,695 posts
04 Aug 2014, 19:47
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04 Aug 2014, 19:47#17
Also, don't forget that De Allende and De Villiers are playing in the worst coached team ie the stormers.
Captain26,388 posts
04 Aug 2014, 19:50
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04 Aug 2014, 19:50#18
De Alende's best position is 12, but I haven't seen him at 13 yet...
Pro3,695 posts
05 Aug 2014, 14:30
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05 Aug 2014, 14:30#19
So Meyer Confirmed that he wants Jean to play at 12 for the boks. Would be interesting to see who will be playing 13. He has hinted that it might be De Allende whom I would back at 13. By far the most elusive runner of the 3.
Coach57,555 posts
05 Aug 2014, 14:43
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05 Aug 2014, 14:43#20
We will know the team by next Wednesday afternoon - but I have a feeling it might be DE Allende
Pro3,695 posts
05 Aug 2014, 15:48
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05 Aug 2014, 15:48#21
To select De Allende at 12 would be a bold decision as he is yet to start a test match or even get a cap. I would have thought that he would have used Serfontein as he already know the system. But to have to big centers in the midfield, with Jean being the more creative of the two.
I also think that with De Allende at 13, we might see more of our wingers actually get the ball in space.
Probable backline
9 Pienaar10 Steyn11 Habana12 De Villiers13 De Allende14 Hendriks15 Le Roux
Bench
Hougaard - Scrumhalf and WingLambie - Flyhalf, center and FullbackSerfontein - Center
Going to be hard to pick the bench cover
I also think that with De Allende at 13, we might see more of our wingers actually get the ball in space.
Probable backline
9 Pienaar10 Steyn11 Habana12 De Villiers13 De Allende14 Hendriks15 Le Roux
Bench
Hougaard - Scrumhalf and WingLambie - Flyhalf, center and FullbackSerfontein - Center
Going to be hard to pick the bench cover
Club Pro560 posts
05 Aug 2014, 15:55
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05 Aug 2014, 15:55#22
jean at 12, great. so that means our 13 yet again is just a tackle machine.
Pro1,978 posts
05 Aug 2014, 16:55
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05 Aug 2014, 16:55#23
JeromeV..You are the deluded one if you think Serfontein is anywhere near the class of JDV right now (and ever I predict) and secondly, JDV was the fastest Bok over 40metres a few years back.
Last year, at the ripe old age of 32, JDV along with Habana were the fastest in the Stormers camp over 40 metres. here is a little excerpt from a write up on the Bok squad.
Last year, at the ripe old age of 32, JDV along with Habana were the fastest in the Stormers camp over 40 metres. here is a little excerpt from a write up on the Bok squad.
"Many observers feel that De Villiers, at 32, is in the twilight of his career and no longer has the turn of pace that has made him such a world-class operator in his prime.
Those observers may be interested to note that De Villiers and Bryan Habana are the fastest players in the Stormers squad over 40 metres.
The Stormers have not done De Villiers any favours with their style of play, using the big centre continuously to run through a proverbial brick wall and test the first line of defence in order to set up the next phase.
The Stormers expect him to be a battering ram and a Vodacom Durban July-winning horse at the same time. It is simply unfair."
Now please guys..Lets get over this Serfontein vs JDV debate..JDV is still a far superior player to Serfontein..
Of course I watched the June internationals and so what?? Am I supposed to be impressed by Serfontein? He did no more than I expected him to do.He was not brilliant..He was not great...He was not even particularly good..What he did was a holding job until Jean comes back hopefully..Any rugby man with half a brain can see that Serfontein is not in the same league as JDV... Everyone just assumes that the man is one year older therefore must be slower..Habana and JDV are still extremely quick and train harder than most...Yes, you will slow up with age but these men are athletes that are early 30's...Not late 40's!! Some of the best (actually most of the best) players in the world are in their 30's!!
Club Pro560 posts
05 Aug 2014, 16:56
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05 Aug 2014, 16:56#24
yeah but dunning did chase jean down the touchline in 2004 and caught him! hahahah. jean isnt that fast or that good. better than serf but it doesnt take much to do that.
Pro9,905 posts
05 Aug 2014, 17:12
#25
05 Aug 2014, 17:12#25
Hey Buggered ... I thought I told you to pull your head out your arse ... ??
Huh??
What the hell is it still doing up there ... ??
Now please ... I'm asking nicely ... PULL YOUR HEAD OUT YOUR ARSE!!!
Kapeesh??
Coach57,555 posts
05 Aug 2014, 17:14
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05 Aug 2014, 17:14#26
Bonzo
Who is a good 12 then - Francois Steyn?
Who is a good 12 then - Francois Steyn?
Coach57,555 posts
05 Aug 2014, 17:14
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05 Aug 2014, 17:14#27
Bonzo
Who is a good 12 then - Francois Steyn?
Who is a good 12 then - Francois Steyn?
Club Pro560 posts
05 Aug 2014, 17:23
#28
05 Aug 2014, 17:23#28
yes.
Coach57,555 posts
05 Aug 2014, 18:10
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05 Aug 2014, 18:10#29
Bonzo
That says it all - the most useless atta cking and defending center in Super 15 and you rate him!!!!!!!!!! This is side-splitting stuff we have here.
That says it all - the most useless atta cking and defending center in Super 15 and you rate him!!!!!!!!!! This is side-splitting stuff we have here.
Pro2,580 posts
07 Aug 2014, 16:17
#30
07 Aug 2014, 16:17#30
Duno about that F Steyn was nt half bad at times. He was a standout on attack againgst Saders in reg season. Just he cnt tackle haha, and hes irratic. So Pollard wnt get a start againgst Arg?
Coach57,555 posts
07 Aug 2014, 16:38
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07 Aug 2014, 16:38#31
Why not Matfield at 13 - he is always moonlighting in the backline anyway and is worthless as a lock.
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