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Who is the worst Bok defender?

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sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
09 Oct 2013, 15:10
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09 Oct 2013, 15:10#1
Who is the worst Bok defender?by Brenden Nel 09 October 2013, 11:34

The Springboks relied too heavily on their rush defence and were not accurate enough against the All Blacks – a factor that ultimately led to their demise at Ellis Park last Saturday.

Much has been said of how and why the Springboks lost the Castle Lager Rugby Championship finale in Johannesburg this past weekend, but while some have sought to blame substitutions and players, the defeat comes down to a simply failure to execute the defensive pattern correctly.

While the game was open and played at an exceptional pace, the Boks may have well had a better chance to keep things tight in their search for victory, although the added factor needing a bonus point left that card unplayed as the Boks looked to go for broke.

And it was ultimately this desire – as one management member said afterwards: “We didn’t want to die on the field wondering” – that cost the team as they looked for turnovers and big hits and rushed the All Blacks, too often getting it wrong.

A very sober look at the statistics afterwards paints a big defensive headache for the Boks, who pounded the All Blacks and forced them to make 141 tackles, missing 31 – or an 82% success rate in the game.

On the other hand, the Boks had to make just 77 tackles – and missed 33 – or a success rate of 70%. While nothing should be taken away from the All Blacks execution in getting five tries at Ellis Park, defence will be a massive factor for the team when they get together again before the end of year tour.

And what about the individuals? Some players were crucified by the public and pundits afterwards for their contribution, and while some were blinkered, there is a lot to be concerned about in the missed tackle stats for the Springboks.

Despite being booed off the field, Zane Kirchner was not the worst defender on the day. In fact, his defence stats read pretty well if you consider that 33 missed tackles equates to two a player in the side.

And while nobody will give Kirchner that credit, he did miss two tackles – but he was hardly the biggest culprit on the day.

The statistical analysis shows that the player forced to make the most tackles was flyhalf Morne Steyn – who succeeded with nine out of 13 tackle attempts – showing how the All Blacks targeted his channel.

JJ Engelbrecht – another to have been hauled over the coals – made six tackles and missed only two – hardly the stuff that lynching mobs are made up of.

In fact, the player with the worst tackle statistics is one who is seen as one of the heroes in the Ellis Park game – Willie le Roux. According to the post game statistics, Le Roux made only one tackle, missing four, in a defensive performance he will have to look at.

Other notable tackle stats see Jan Serfontein - widely acknowledged to be out of his depth and out of position on the wing, making three and missing three tackles in the game, while the two front rankers Jannie du Plessis (made 2, missed 3) and Tendai Mtawarira (made 3, missed 3) are also high on the error list.

Captain Jean de Villiers, who was electric on attack, also missed two tackles – one which led to a try.

Which all goes to prove that sometimes, the players widely blamed for defensive errors are not the ones who commit them.

The Boks were out on their feet at Ellis Park, but now they know they can score four tries against the World Champions. Their defence needs work and players didn’t keep to the system. But at such a frenetic pace, the game was always going to open up and holes would have been there.

Much will be said at team level when they meet again about the way they defended at Ellis Park. But to correct the faults, you need to know where they were made in the first place.

The Bok backline features quite heavily on the Rugby championship statistics – with Le Roux and Kirchner both topping the metres made, and very high on ball carries.

Captain Jean de Villiers leads the defenders beaten stat, and along with Willie le Roux are the top South Africans on the linebreak stat.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Oct 2013, 15:16
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09 Oct 2013, 15:16#2
Jean has beaten 19 defenders this year in tests, JJ has beaten 14.......both have a good record for the year in beating defenders......the measure of a centre. In the test against the AB's on Sat, Jean beat 5 defenders, JJ 4.........but some tell us JJ was poor, go figure!!  
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
09 Oct 2013, 15:16
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09 Oct 2013, 15:16#3
Brendon Nel is clearly not very strong at maths!""the Boks had to make just 77 tackles – and missed 33 – or a success rate of 70%"
Missing 33 tackles out of 77 is closer to a 50% success rate which is very poor. 
Apparently Willie LeRoux made 1 out of 5 tackles. Jan Serfontein 3 out of 6
Jannie Duplessis was his  normal usless in defence making 2 out of 5. A total liabilty in every match.
It must be in teams game plans to run at Jannie because he is bound to miss the tackle.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Oct 2013, 18:15
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09 Oct 2013, 18:15#4

Sharkbok

 

The way they calculate the success rate is by adding the successful tackles and the missed tackles together - thus getting to the total attempted tackles - according to them 110 attempted tackles.   The 70% is taken as a result of the fact that they made 77 tackles and worked out as a percentage of 110 - making it 70%.

 

The problem is that the actual acceptable ratio is about 14% - that is more than 50% below the actual rate achieved by the Springboks.    The All Black failure rate of 18% is also on the high side as it is about 4% higher than norm.

 

The fact is that all players are virtually guilty.  Especially those whose missed tackles let to tries being scored against the Springboks.   If some tackles were made that should have been made - the All Blacks would have scored at least two tries less, namely -

 

*   the tackle missed by Alberts on Read - which preceeded the Ben  Smith try; and

 

*   the complete hash De Villiers, Steyn and Engelbrecht made of the defence to prevent the Barrett try.

 

A third try that could have been prevented was in part due to the clumsiness of Alberts in falling over his own feet and not trying to recover the ball after Aaron Smith was tackled.  Alberts ended up in the heap of players in the subsequent maul and not trying to defend against the push over effort by Messam and Read.  

 

You cannot win a match where players miss 30% of attempted tackles.   The question remains who is to blame?   Tackles in traffic is easier to make and the fact that the forwards missed so many tackles caused major problems further out as well.    That makes the figures of the forwards, the scrummie and the flyhalf worse - because the tackles they missed were mostly in traffic.   Further out tackles are much more difficult to make and the chances of missing an open field tackle of a player at speed are much higher than when tackles have to be made in traffic.

 

Our other problem is the immobility of our loosies.   There tackle count is low - because in the main they are limited to tackling around the fringes and marginally  outside of the fringes.   Anything outside of that their contribution is zero.   The AB loosies are all over the field and if a backline player missed a tackle - the loosies would make the cover tackle.   That is why their tackle count is basically 66% higher than the count of the SA loosies.  

 

I personally think that there are serious deficiencies in the present team - which will not be fixed by continuously giving the same culprits further chances.        

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
09 Oct 2013, 19:06
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09 Oct 2013, 19:06#5
 Jannie Du Plessis.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Oct 2013, 20:23
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09 Oct 2013, 20:23#6

This article is of course pure nonsense. Kirchner missed two tackles but he positioned himself so poorly eg in the halftime try, that he couldn't lay a finger on a player he should have tackled ergo....no missed tackle. JJ totally misses Nonu in the run up to the try, but because he never actualy went through a tackling motion...no missed tackle. You have to look beyond the stats.

 


 

My list would be as follows:

 

1) Worst Zane Kirchner....the worst tackling Bok fullback ever.

 

2) JJ who never finishes off a tackle by himself....he is the perfect offload target.

 

3) Pienaar, whose misses have hurt us many a time 

 

4)Morne who has made some good low tackles even on Nonu, but is bad up high.

 

5) Willie who can tackle low and bring his man down singlehandedly in open field, but makes a lot of careless misses.

 

The rest of the Bok backs are pretty solid tacklers.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Oct 2013, 20:41
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09 Oct 2013, 20:41#7

Mozart

 

Yes - with exceptions, the forwards are good enough tacklers when they can get to the player to be tackled, which is a very narrow range in the channel -  virtually with the exception of Bismarck  and Etzebeth - nothing outside of that narrow range.  They are tacklers in traffic and often enough missed those as well (eg Jannie).  However, missed tackles only count when a tackle attempt is made - not where players are not speedy enough to follow the ball around the field of play and not in a position to make tackles.   That is why the tackle count of our loosies  is so ridiculously low compared to loosies of other teams. 

 

 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Oct 2013, 00:02
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10 Oct 2013, 00:02#8
Crap JJ did not miss Nonu at all, I have checked that and the stats are spot on. JJ only missed one tackle and that was on Barrett.

The worst offender was Morne who missed 4, three of which lead to tries. The guy is scared of contact and hopefully with Goosen fit this weekend, we will never see useless Morne in the Bok side again. What people see in this bloke is beyond me. He lost us the test against the AB's
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Oct 2013, 02:39
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10 Oct 2013, 02:39#9
 Nonsense Nonu ran straight past him....JJ is a sieve. JJ's tackles are flurry of arms and little jumps....but through it all the tackled player continues to progress until a second defender arrives. Pa p!
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Oct 2013, 02:50
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10 Oct 2013, 02:50#10
 Wrong he does not, I have watched the game.....there was only 1 miss by JJ and that was on Barrett, if JJ had missed Nonu the stats would have picked that up.
JJ missed 1 tackle, Jean 2 and Morne 4......so who were the worst defenders in order here???
CO
CouchpotatoRookie28 posts
10 Oct 2013, 06:31
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10 Oct 2013, 06:31#11
Jannie, Morney and Willie  
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Oct 2013, 06:51
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10 Oct 2013, 06:51#12
Actually most of Willie's missed tackles are "round the corner tackles" when rushing up at kickoff time. And how Kirchner isn't on your list Potato is incredible. Hell Savea did a perfect Lomu on Mike Catt replica, using Kirchner as the doormat. And apart from his missed tackles there are a host of times he overran the move and wasn't even in position to tackle, like in the halftime try.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Oct 2013, 08:59
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10 Oct 2013, 08:59#13

The worst Springbok defender -

 

MOZART

 

Because he continuously DEFENDS the INDEFENSIBLE. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
10 Oct 2013, 15:44
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10 Oct 2013, 15:44#14

Nice one Oom, I think you have discovered the pun....sort of!

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
11 Oct 2013, 16:14
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11 Oct 2013, 16:14#15
 The 2nd worst one is Morne
The 3rd worst one is Kirchner
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