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Who shouldn't play Saturday

Started by Mozart28 REPLIES632 VIEWS· 13 Aug 2019, 23:35
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
13 Aug 2019, 23:35
#1
13 Aug 2019, 23:35#1
My list would be: Kolbe....nothing left to prove after the RC. Pollard.....our one irreplaceable player. Faf has overdone the box kick, but contributes when it gets tough. Etzebeth....still our best lock with nothing to prove. Mostert...his contribution is not in doubt. Vermeulen......should be our captain, and may yet. ....on the basis of the last two tests I'm tempted to include Nyakane who has certainly proven me wrong! There are no other Bok tightheads making a real scrumming difference....give Wilco a go on Saturday. So balancing the need to avoid losing irreplaceable players and building continuity....I'd go: Willie. Nkosi if available. Am. Frans. Mapimpi. Jantjies. Reinach. Kitshoff. Marx. Wilco. Snyman. Stephanie. Kolisi. Kwagga. Marcel. It might help seeing Kolisi and Kwagga playing side by side, Stephanie at lock and Marcel in an extended role. It also gives players struggling for form......Willie, Kitshoff, Marx....another chance to find their best.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Aug 2019, 00:01
#2
14 Aug 2019, 00:01#2

I'd protect Pollard, Faf, Willie and Nyakane most. Probably Thor and Eben too. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2019, 07:04
#3
14 Aug 2019, 07:04#3

Mozart

As per normal you got it all wrong - although the team you picked will lose against the Argentinians.   They cannot and will not win.  That midfield have zero defense and Steyn and Am together represents a sieve, especially if Jantjies is included too.

I do not think Mostert should play - he is useless in open field defense an is poor as a Tight 5 player.   The line outs against the AB's was a mess largely due to Mostert.   

So the unbalance in the team you said should play is weird.   Maybe they should play that mess and a loss will then be jubilated about by you two - especially since you are still trying to hide away from admitting the winning the RC trophy by the Springboks.  .  .      


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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Aug 2019, 13:03
#4
14 Aug 2019, 13:03#4

Steyn and Am are rock solid defenders. In fact, under Rassie, our best defenders at 13 are Am and Mapoe. We don't need to revisit the day Kriel became Bok Sushi. 

"Maybe they should play that mess and a loss wi ll then be jubilated about by you two - especially since you are still trying to hide away from admitting the winning the RC trophy by the Springboks.  .  . "

Jubilated? Since when do we do that? I have seen you take joy in Bok losses, downplay or deny certain achievements. You are quite a bitter person. All I do is call a spade a spade. With regards to the RC, I'm not interested in the abbreviated competition. If you think this was some grand achievement then you are kidding yourself. To add insult to injury, the real winners are Australia, who are on the verge of rediscovering themselves just in time for the World Cup. We on the other hand bumble around giving ourselves pats on the back. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2019, 13:20
#5
14 Aug 2019, 13:20#5

AO 

"Rock solid defenders" - that is a joke is it?  Steyn played for nearly an hour in the three games he did play in this year and his total tackle count was 5 with two missed tackles.  That is certainly NOT rock solid.  

No I do not rejoice in Springbok losses like Mozart and you do.  I identify the poor players who messed up and criticize them - not the team.   I do not hate Erasmus like you two do and I did not keep quiet about the Springboks winning the RC trophy like you and Mozart did.  Get over it.

The latest news is that Ersmus has probably seen enough of the questionable Steyn performances and the talk of town is that Esterhuizen may play at inside center on Saturday.     Not tha t he is much better than Fransie.   

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
14 Aug 2019, 13:23
#6
14 Aug 2019, 13:23#6

PSDT should definitely be rested...had a huge work load this last 2 seasons...and he has nothing to prove, regardless of some of the sentiments on this site.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Aug 2019, 13:27
#7
14 Aug 2019, 13:27#7

I'll be honest with you. I wouldn't even trust Steph against minnows. He had two genuinely good games last season and has yet to have a good one this season. Can he be trusted in the World Cup? In a close game, he's a hell of a risk. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2019, 13:45
#8
14 Aug 2019, 13:45#8

No AO - the players you "trust"  have continuously fouled up in tests and those you distrust is routine performers of high quality,  Prejudice is not an acceptable norm for performance evaluation.  I can think of a few other risks than Du Toit - who definitely will not be a risk.    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Aug 2019, 13:59
#9
14 Aug 2019, 13:59#9
Steph was already exposed last weekend. The same problems from years ago still persist. I wonder if anyone has ever brought these to his attention, or if he has the clout to recognise it himself. If Rassie persists with out least capable rusher, the quite clearly Rassie is a fool for putting him in those positions. Eben does a much better job of rushing and catching the carrier. 
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2019, 14:20
#10
14 Aug 2019, 14:20#10
At least 3 instances where the defence was compromised by Stephanie rushing out of line, including the Bargie try.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2019, 14:20
#11
14 Aug 2019, 14:20#11

When and how was he exposed?  Certainly not by the lies Mozart peddled on site.   So Rassie is wrong and you are the Idiot Speaker again.   Get real for a change dim fool. 

Note Mozart is avoiding that BS spreading thread he posted like a plague - so be careful you are falling into the same BS hole he fell into already.    

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Aug 2019, 14:26
#12
14 Aug 2019, 14:26#12

If only you'd open your eyes.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2019, 15:34
#13
14 Aug 2019, 15:34#13
Yes note that Mozart never posted on that thread before this: Aug 14, 2019, 14:32 Thanks Pakie......point proven. Modern defences pass responsibility laterally when a runner moves into the next lane, it's a chain link fence. But there was no link because Stephanie had shot out of line.....and was totally focused on the player he thought he would have to tackle. At no point did he even glance at the ball carrier. Look at the angle of Vermeulen's head vs Stephanie's in frame 3. I'm guessing somewhere between frame one and frame two, Sanchez threw the quick dummy which scrambled Stephanie's brain. ........ Happy now? By the way Google the time difference, it might help you understand.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2019, 16:39
#14
14 Aug 2019, 16:39#14

No BS 

Lies won't help - Du Toit was guarding the player directly opposite him and Mostert was supposed to tackle Sanchez and made a royal bugger-up of the tackle.   So your idea is obvious blame Du Toit for the Mostert f#ck up. 

But lets get back to this thread,   You posted a team above listing 15 players of which only 6 is in the starting line-up and one is on the bench.   Fransie the Fat is nothing more than a player Erasmus tried to see what he can produce as a back up to De Allende and he showed near to nothing in the process,  So he is on the bench again.

Why do you not try and get rid of your prejudice and start learning about the players that is useful and those not so.    

Nice to see there are two line-out jumpers in the team and not one as w as the case on Saturday.    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2019, 16:39
#15
14 Aug 2019, 16:39#15

No BS 

Lies won't help - Du Toit was guarding the player directly opposite him and Mostert was supposed to tackle Sanchez and made a royal bugger-up of the tackle.   So your idea is obvious blame Du Toit for the Mostert f#ck up. 

But lets get back to this thread,   You posted a team above listing 15 players of which only 6 is in the starting line-up and one is on the bench.   Fransie the Fat is nothing more than a player Erasmus tried to see what he can produce as a back up to De Allende and he showed near to nothing in the process,  So he is on the bench again.

Why do you not try and get rid of your prejudice and start learning about the players that is useful and those not so.    

Nice to see there are two line-out jumpers in the team and not one as w as the case on Saturday.    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2019, 18:18
#16
14 Aug 2019, 18:18#16
Lomp who was defrocked twice against the Aussies a line-out jumper? Where's the smiley?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2019, 19:26
#17
14 Aug 2019, 19:26#17

He also took 7 line outs  losing 2 in one test (after a long injury break with virtually no comeback game time) - not 3 line-outs missing  like  Mostert did  in 2 tests and being cut out for jumping in lineouts altogether in the last test.   The line-outs against the AB's were chaotic at best,  

I warned  a year ago that  Mostert is physically too weak to be really competitive in Tight 5 play and too weak to really compete in line-outs.   As per normal proven correct.      

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Aug 2019, 19:31
#18
14 Aug 2019, 19:31#18

Your preposterous theory regarding Mostert's strength and lineout prowess has been given a gentlemanly boot in the bum, right out the door, into the gutter where it belongs. You have no dignity to revisit the object of your shame. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2019, 19:59
#19
14 Aug 2019, 19:59#19

No it was given a boot to all of you after the serious problems in the line-outs against the AB's and after Mostert was cut out completely from line-out jumping in the Argentina test, LMAO     

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SebPro2,680 posts
14 Aug 2019, 20:26
#20
14 Aug 2019, 20:26#20

It's a sort of rugby laboratory experiment, partially quite clever but not convincing enough but full marks nevertheless...nothing ventured nothing gained. Rassie I like your style.

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Aug 2019, 22:08
#21
14 Aug 2019, 22:08#21
Mostert should be nowhere near the WC squad we need real locks on board
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2019, 22:37
#22
14 Aug 2019, 22:37#22
Where's your promised evidence Dave?
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
14 Aug 2019, 23:17
#23
14 Aug 2019, 23:17#23
I need to watch the game again Moz bit pushed for time but I will
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Aug 2019, 08:36
#24
15 Aug 2019, 08:36#24

Huffer you say the big winners are Oz and we just bumble along. 

Then you once again disparage Steph.

You are going nuts. I really can't take this BS seriously. Difficult to understand why an intelligent person like you would post this stuff unless you are just stirring the pot. Surely you can't believe this nonsense!


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Aug 2019, 08:41
#25
15 Aug 2019, 08:41#25

In Eben, Snyman and Lood we have three top locks. 

It is truly amazing and tiresome to see them being trashed time and again!

You cannot play Mostert against a powerhouse pack. Play him perhaps against a light fast pack. 


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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2019, 13:52
#26
15 Aug 2019, 13:52#26
No Beenkop Mostet should not be in the squad at all. It amazes me that so called rugby men on this site are taken by Mostert running around full of guts and energy and completely missing out on the actual impact the guy has in contact. Surely your test lock should be able to impose himself physically as Eben, RG, Lood and PSDT do? I just don’t get it. The only non physical lock that merited selection in his prime was Matfield because he was such a great athlete with a great rugby brain. Something Mostert can only dream of
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Aug 2019, 14:20
#27
15 Aug 2019, 14:20#27

"I just don’t get it. The only non physical lock that merited selection in his prime was Matfield because he was such a great athlete with a great rugby brain. Something Mostert can only dream of  "

Ou Maaikie just crapped in his best Sunday School dress.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Aug 2019, 14:30
#28
15 Aug 2019, 14:30#28
Vlag you still alive?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 15:07
#29
15 Aug 2019, 15:07#29

Ceradunce

I always called Matfield a great player up to his retirement in 2011 - after his return to rugby under Meyer he was a farce and liability - desperately trying to ruin his own  reputation.  

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