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Who will be picked for the next game against Argentina?

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KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
08 Sept 2022, 12:57
#1
08 Sept 2022, 12:57#1

The boks arrived in Argentina a couple of days ago and travelled together from NZ with the bargies. So there was no stop over back in SA but instead opted to go against the time zones. Probably shorter or cheaper flights. Who knows. 


I thought the guys would go home at least, and then set off together. 


There are also no re-enforcements being added to the team either. So likes of Roos and Coetzee probably won't see a test cap until after the Rassie era. 


We are super light on Flyhalf and it looks like we may end up with the same team as before. Not sure what the status are on Jantjies, Kolbe and Esterhuizen but I believe that they are with the team. 


The boks have line up a couple of A Games against clubs at the end of the year so we may see the fringe players getting a crack then. 


Here is what I think the bok squad would look like. but what it should be. 


  1. Ox (Coach Picks) / Kitshoff (My Picks)
  2. Dweeb / Marx
  3. Nyakane / Malherbe
  4. Etzebeth
  5. Lood
  6. Kolisi 
  7. Mostert / Louw
  8. Wiese 
  9. Hendriks
  10. Willemse
  11. Moodie
  12. Dud Allede / Esterhuizen
  13. Kriel / No one else
  14. Mpimpi / No one else
  15. Le Roux / Gelant
  16. Marx / Dweeb (Gobbler should have been in the squad)
  17. Kitshoff
  18. Malherbe / Koch but coach will pick Nyakane 
  19. Moerat / PSDT
  20. Kwagga
  21. Reinach or Faf
  22. Jantjies 
  23. Frans Steyn / Gelant

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
08 Sept 2022, 14:17
#2
08 Sept 2022, 14:17#2

Just a question.  Why should Esterhuiozen - who  failed in the 2018 and 2019 tests be picked ahead p De Allende  who came off a very good game against Australia?

Toy selection of Nyakane is puzzling - the starting prop will be Malherbe and the selection for the back-up will be  either Koch or  Nyakane.   

If Du Toit is fit he will play at 7 - Mostert is very questionable and bullied in tight  aspects of the game.    Mostert would not be in the Springbok squad at all.     

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Sept 2022, 16:08
#3
08 Sept 2022, 16:08#3

Why? Because Allende has gummed up our back play since 2015 and only looked good in a dominant Bok team last week. And not so good, he botched tries and missed tackles.


As for Dud Toit ….every time he doesn’t play we win….witness the Lions series and the second Aussie test. Mostert does everything he does, but better eg the lineouts.

Why Nyakane or Ox? Like it or not our scrum with Kitshoff and Malherbe was easily handled by the flaccid Oz pack. They are better players in general play, but they can’t scrum.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
08 Sept 2022, 18:47
#4
08 Sept 2022, 18:47#4

Oh silly little yarpies... now de Lindy was dominant... the Blocks squirting shitty passes all over... only able to kick... were great and have the best pack... fucking hell. I'll finally give Mozart a cookie for seeing through the Block front rower bullshit. But... they aren't always good in open play. Malherbe is too unfit to be useful and Kits got fucked. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
08 Sept 2022, 23:03
#5
08 Sept 2022, 23:03#5
Well given we need to make sure we win both against the Argies in order to stand a chance of winning the RC we can’t afford to experiment Given the squad my side would be: 15. Willie 14. Gelant 13. Moodie 12. de Allende 11. Mapimpi 10. Willemse 9. Hendrikse 1. Kitshoff 2. Marx 3. Malherbe 4. Etzebeth 5. Lood 6. Kolisi 7. Elrigh Louw 8. Wiese 16. Dweba 17. Ox 18. Nyakane 19. Moerat 20. Kwagga 21. Faf 22. Esterhuizen 23. Kriel
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
09 Sept 2022, 16:12
#6
09 Sept 2022, 16:12#6

Interesting picks Saffex, why shift Moodie to 13, he hasn't played any URC games there and been mainly used as a full back or wing. 

I also thought you said that Jessie had a solid game. 

Gelant was terrible on the wing when he played for the Boks against Aus. 


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Sept 2022, 19:46
#7
09 Sept 2022, 19:46#7
I want more than solid - Kriel gets no game time as a Bok 13 given how good Am is there and it shows along with the suspect form all players based in Japan show. It’s time to move on. I want to see the introduction of younger players now. Moodie has played all his school boy rugby at 13 so he is more than comfortable and familiar with the position I disagree that Gelant was poor - the guy is a class act and I’d want to seen him and Willie roam with a view to creating Gelant needs game time at test level - he is a special talent
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
09 Sept 2022, 21:42
#8
09 Sept 2022, 21:42#8

Not sure school boy to test rugby can be compared. De Allende used to be a 13 at school too. 

Looking at the bulls squad, Simalane joint them for next season. So don't think Moodie will see the 13 jumper any time soon 

But also, you don't need game breakers in every position. If Kriel can organise the defence, have some good running and passes he should be fine. 

I prefer Gelant at 15. Willie is 50/50 and we really need to give the 15 jumper to someone else. I don't think Willemse is best used at 15.

I think we both agree 12 / 10

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Sept 2022, 22:01
#9
09 Sept 2022, 22:01#9
I want game breakers wherever possible - I don’t want my centres doing a job. It’s Jake who has said Moodie is a 13. I went and checked out his footage at school and that is exactly where he played Agreed Gelant at 15 but given the squad and the fact that Willie is in good form I’d leave him at 15 and play Gelant on the wing Similane might start at 13 for the Bulls but until he muscles up and sorts his defence out he won’t stay as a starter. I hope he does sort these issues out as he is super skilled with ball in hand I’m disappointed none of the big unions have picked up Griquas captain and 13, Xamlashe he looked really really good to me. He is only 23 and 96kg - he reminds me of Am I see the young Pumas 13, Sebastian de Klerk has moved to the Bulls - he was also very good in the CC - made the most breaks and scored loads of tries Both our talented 12’s have pissed off to Japan in Rickus Pretorious and James Mollenze - huge pity. We need to lure them back
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
09 Sept 2022, 22:19
#10
09 Sept 2022, 22:19#10

It might be better to move Moodie to 13 now, because the Boks do not have depth at outside centre when compared to wing or fullback. 

That would give him enough game time before the world cup at 13. He would be a good utility player if he can cover outside centre and wing/fullback. 
He looks strong enough, even though he is only 19.

Moodie looks fast, but other wingers are probably faster. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
09 Sept 2022, 22:27
#11
09 Sept 2022, 22:27#11
Yeah his pace is perfect for 13 - he is naturally physical and will fill out He could be really good at 13 in the Ioane mould. Seen some really good offloads by him in his highlights video
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Sept 2022, 22:58
#12
09 Sept 2022, 22:58#12

Mozart

I did not ask for your comment and what you wrote is BS anyway,    Your comments are as per normal totally prejudiced and you actually lied about every instance where you describe him being inadequate/    

The question dealt with Esterhuizen  anyway and he was a flop in the tests he played in in 2018 and 2019 - and the flops were factually proved.     Why is he still in the squad?   Because he did well in the Engli,sh club rugby and he is a back-up player - nothing more.      

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Sept 2022, 07:47
#13
10 Sept 2022, 07:47#13

Looking at the above horseshit it kinda of hit me... You don't really know what kind of players you have. Big bold bright ideas for things that don't fit the puzzle. Azania produces lots and lots of wings. Most depth in the world at making wings. Not all really good ones but lots of them. Wings at 9, wings at 12 and 13, even wings at 10 sometimes, wings at 15. Ex Saff has been indoctrinated into thinking this shit is normal. That's why you fuvks can't play attacking rugby ... Wings want to run and finish. Even Jean was a wing and had a tendency to put his head down and bolt... HE was good enough to do it far better than any other Block though. Doesn't always work that way though. Kriel is a wing, Willie Plonka is a wing, DenLondy is really a wing too . Most of your scrummies are wings as well. All big runners . Willemse is more a wing than anything else. Only played in other positions because he had X factor but then shoved into 12 and 15 coz it didn't work . Sooner you faggots figure this out the better for Azania. Funny shit knowing you'll never get it. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Sept 2022, 13:32
#14
10 Sept 2022, 13:32#14
I see the ignorant attention seeking twat is still about
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Sept 2022, 14:13
#15
10 Sept 2022, 14:13#15

I see Ex Saff has fuck all else to say but make more fertilizer with his second anus. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Sept 2022, 14:24
#16
10 Sept 2022, 14:24#16
Attention seeking twat You are more than pathetic Worthy of a snot klap
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Sept 2022, 14:26
#17
10 Sept 2022, 14:26#17

With your little mittens... I fucking doubt it bud. Doubt you could move two steps before collapsing into your belly puffing and wheezing. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Sept 2022, 14:46
#18
10 Sept 2022, 14:46#18
Attention seeking twat
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
10 Sept 2022, 16:58
#19
10 Sept 2022, 16:58#19

Rosie trans getting worked up. 

It's its blood pressure that concerns me. The poor it is going to expire at some point. 


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
10 Sept 2022, 17:44
#20
10 Sept 2022, 17:44#20

You're worried about blood? Then wear a tampon you feckling. If you're too broke, just line your bloomers with an old sock. 

MP
MpowerPro5,061 posts
11 Sept 2022, 01:11
#21
11 Sept 2022, 01:11#21

Just take a chill pill Rosie more often Chop. Only you yourself believe the Barf that you Barfing....Willemse is a player that would make a difference @ 12...much more than Duh Allende that would rather Ruck or not pass, instead of being a actual 12...its Am and Willemse + Willie that make things happen....Kriel must show something,  don't really understand his choice....yes pls Moodie on 13 rather than Jesse " Lost" Kriel....these sentimental R&N team Selections, is stupid and will not help the Boks future path to success.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
11 Sept 2022, 01:58
#22
11 Sept 2022, 01:58#22

What good is a pass if it's too the touch judge? De lindy passes better than Willemse. Willemse likes to try to step that's the only real difference... Willemse gets isolated more as a result. Only stupid yarpies rate Willemse. He is today's saviour just like de lindy was in 2015 when you ask sucked his cock. You'll hate him in a few years when reality finally sets in and you cry for the next version of these two clowns... happens all the ducking time in EVERY position! Moodie has no talent... can't read defence. Can't just stick a wing at 13 you dumbo. Only in Azania does this stupid shit fly! 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
11 Sept 2022, 11:54
#23
11 Sept 2022, 11:54#23

Rumours from the media are that Louw may finally get a spot on the bench in place of Vermeulen 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Sept 2022, 12:38
#24
11 Sept 2022, 12:38#24

does it even matter ... it all amounts to the same team of dweebs ... coached by the same ignorant therapist ... captained by the same wanker ... with the same kick everything away gameplan. 


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Sept 2022, 12:49
#25
11 Sept 2022, 12:49#25

CC

Welcome back on site.   I am always happy to read what you write and enjoy the jokes you come up with.    The real coaching disasters in the past decade was Meyer and Coetzee and cannot remember any criticism of them by you.   In that you are on par with Mozart, Kingcorn and others.           

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
12 Sept 2022, 07:58
#26
12 Sept 2022, 07:58#26

Thank you.

Well, Mike ... old age isn't for sissies ... 

There's an assortment of things that surface ... one of which is memory loss.

No matter ... The last decent coach we had was Jake White. That's 15 years ago.

Since then we've had a quota coach who rode on Jake's coattails. Thankfully his reign was short.

Then we had a deluded moron living in the past whose legacy is the historic loss to Japan ... he alone set our rugby progress back 5 years.

Luckily he too was ousted within his first term.

In stepped Coetzee ... and with him came record losses of 57 - 0 to the All Blacks.

Now we have a sell out  ... a lover of quotas ... a person who tears up at the slightest  ... who has done more harm to the Bok than anyone else.

I hope that refreshes your memory.




KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
12 Sept 2022, 09:22
#27
12 Sept 2022, 09:22#27

The best coach not to win a World Cup was Nick Mallet. Got booted for stating that test ticket prices were too expensive. Now enjoying life at Supersport and having to deal with dumb quota comments. 

Owen Nukumane and Moekehena that would have never been rugby players had it not been for quotas. 

Managed 17 wins in a row. 71 % win ratio. Had a bad run of injuries. 

White is up there and best for unearthing talent. Wish he would be more involved in the youth structures but the man wants to be an international coach. 

Don’t get me wrong on Rassie Niena. They can coach and know how to win, but they are ultimately sell outs and very good politicians. Knows what to say and please the administrators. 

Yet, now too afraid to get rid of the players they have. Not sure what other coaches would do with this quota system

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Sept 2022, 11:24
#28
13 Sept 2022, 11:24#28

The following are team predictions by two journalists:-

 Craig Lewis’ Springboks team prediction

15 Willie le Roux, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Damian Willemse, 9 Jaden Hendrikse, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Franco Mostert, 6 Siya Kolisi (captain), 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Steven Kitshoff

Garrin Lambley’s Springboks team prediction

15 Willie le Roux, 14 Canan Moodie, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Makazole Mapimpi, 10 Damian Willemse, 9 Jaden Hendrikse, 8 Jasper Wiese, 7 Elrigh Louw, 6 Siya Kolisi (captain), 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Trevor Nyakane, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Steven Kitshoff

Bar for Nyakane - I prefer the Garrin Lambley team proposal.       

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Sept 2022, 11:40
#29
13 Sept 2022, 11:40#29
Elrigh Louw ahead of Mostert all day
KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
13 Sept 2022, 11:45
#30
13 Sept 2022, 11:45#30

Agree on Louw, maybe time to shift PSDT back to lock, we have enough amazing players that can cover 7, it is lock where we need him the most

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Sept 2022, 11:47
#31
13 Sept 2022, 11:47#31
PSDT is not available by all accounts
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
13 Sept 2022, 12:34
#32
13 Sept 2022, 12:34#32

KC

Ti me to sent Mostert packing - he is not a lock or loosie backside - or perhaps he is.   

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
13 Sept 2022, 14:29
#33
13 Sept 2022, 14:29#33

Well I wonder if Mostert was a WP player if he would then meet the most important criteria to be selected in a Springbok team for some.

Just explain to us how Moerat makes the squad?

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
13 Sept 2022, 15:27
#34
13 Sept 2022, 15:27#34
I rate Moerat, certainly physical enough and gets stuck in. Also has attitude. Good player Give me Moerat at lock over weak Mostert any day
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