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Why did Graeme Smith leave international cricket?

Started by clevermike13 REPLIES207 VIEWS· 09 Mar 2014, 19:06
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Mar 2014, 19:06
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09 Mar 2014, 19:06#1

I read somewhere a report in which something was mentioned - indicating that the relationship between Domingo and Smith was not a good one.   The following needs to be noted -


*   Smith himself indicated that he was not on song with Domingo as he was with Kisten.  He mentioned that he considered retirement from the time Domingo was appointed.


*   Domingo himself did not really have a relationship with Smith and most likely was not on talking terms with him either.  While De Kock was batting in one of the ODI's Domingo told AB to tell Smith that he will never again play in the SA ODI side.   That was to my mind unacceptable.   Domingo should have spoken directly to Smith - not through a third party.  Be it as it may the above rumour was confirmed as Smith left the same day for Cape Town.   


*   There must be more to the Tsolekile story than Cricket South Africa denied as being the case.   


Be it as it may - Smith resigned and the discussion at persent is around his successor. Everyone seems to agree there are two alternatives, namely AB and Faf - with a rather surprising indication that the final selection may be Faf.  


AB and Faf have been friends from school days - where Faf was the school cricket captain and AB one of the team players.     Before becoming captain of the ODI side AB never captained anything - whereas Faf has a history of captaincy of various levels since his school days.   That makes him stronger in the leadership stakes - or that is what is said by various sources.  Irrespective of who is made captain - the other one will be the vice captain.


The general concensus of opinion is that if AB is selected he will have to give up the wicket keeping duties and for that the only replacement named is De Kock.   In the latter regard it is mentioned that De Kock is already on a CSA contract.


The first test series SA will play is against SriLanka and De Kock will pick up valuable experience playing in sub-continent conditions in the IPL in April.        

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KeaganzulusmithClub Pro175 posts
10 Mar 2014, 01:59
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10 Mar 2014, 01:59#2
 I just think that the increased level of politics in CSA and the team had worn on greame along with a coach he doesnt see eye to eye, i think that he just chose to spend the last few years of cricket relaxing and playing for some money in england also i think that he wanted to leave the south african team in a good spot for the next guy to come in so that he give him a fair start unlike what andrew did for mr cook. Just a personal opinion no fact just what i get the feeling from the dressing room 


De Kock class one day batter but should not open at test level! not yet! way to young to put him against the best in the world with the nice new swinging ball rather bat him 6-7 and give me a haddin role where he comes in to either save the innings or to smash the ball out the park! 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
10 Mar 2014, 02:43
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10 Mar 2014, 02:43#3
 Keagan
Not entirely sure about where in the batting line up De Kock should bat.  He was very good in the domestic competition where he faced up to bowlers like Steyn, Philander and Morkel - there are not many bowlers on par or better in world cricket than those 3 - plus all the rest of SA top bowlers.  So he may not be at a loss as an opener as  many others imagine.   One will have to see what the experts - and especially the new captain - does in the relevant regard.   
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KeaganzulusmithClub Pro175 posts
10 Mar 2014, 13:57
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10 Mar 2014, 13:57#4
 Mike, what im saying is the fact yes he is well suited to open much like smith opener who wont hang around block and that he has proved he can do it at domestic level but international level is a big step to take and although he has face our big three thats only ever been on our wickets, would you feel comfortable in chucking him in at 1 or 2 against india away to face the spin with out easing him into the sceen first. He may do a warner and smash the ball everywhere get off to a flying start or he might do a phile hughes and do nothing but harm his confidence. 
I would give the boy time he is young enough to wait at the lower end for a while before climbing to number one rather be safe than sorry, but tbh i do agree and say he should take the gloves from AB mainly because AB is the worlds best fielder and from my understanding was only ment to be a short term stay until they found the new mark? 
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
10 Mar 2014, 14:27
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10 Mar 2014, 14:27#5
Maybe he quit because he made kak runs 6 innings in a row, and he then realised that he is just not good enough anymore!!! There isn't always a conspiracy.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
10 Mar 2014, 14:38
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10 Mar 2014, 14:38#6
The test captain has to be AB as there are no question marks over his selection.......Faf on the otherhand is hardly a world beating bat assured of his place over the next 3 years or so  
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
10 Mar 2014, 14:38
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10 Mar 2014, 14:38#7
Actually I could live with Smith's poor form with the bat, it's his unbelievably stupid decisions I struggle with.

I mean really, it's a bright sunny day at Centurion with no cloud, no wind, nothing . . . Smith fortunately wins the toss and then goes and blows the advantage (not to mention the entire series) by inviting the Aussies to have a bat. No wonder Michael Clarke was having a bit of a snigger. One of the worst decisions I've seen from any captain and I sincerely believe one that cost us any chance of winning our first home series against the Aussies for over 40 years. Twit!
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KeaganzulusmithClub Pro175 posts
10 Mar 2014, 14:41
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10 Mar 2014, 14:41#8
thing is blue everyone has a bad series king K had many even the little master had an awful run in 2010 but came back strong in 2011, smith is a veteran of the game and still could of offered much to the team. 
So by your reasoning then alister cook should hang his gloves up cause he had a bad summer  in aussie land? so should joe root? 
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
10 Mar 2014, 16:26
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10 Mar 2014, 16:26#9
keagan, his form has been sub-par for a while now, but he had an especially terrible series against Aus, both batting and as captain as Saffex has pointed out. Age is not on his side and I think he made the right call by calling it a day now, rather than throwing his name away by trying to stay on past his sell by date. 
I will openly admit that I cannot stand Smith, but an average over 50 does not lie, and he certainly deserved to be part of the test setup for a long time. I just feel that he recognized his lack of ability to keep up, and stepped down. The stress of being a captain in South African cricket is massive, and I reckon on top of the fact that his form has been crap lately, he is probably just gatvol of the pressure.  
 
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KeaganzulusmithClub Pro175 posts
10 Mar 2014, 20:11
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10 Mar 2014, 20:11#10
 fair enough blue i thought you were jut another smith basher who disreagurds everything he has done for his country haha but its not the case, i agree it was the right time but still bieleve some behind the scenes hands also played apart. 
saffex are you saying fafs not good enough for that he is i dont quite get that part of your statement. 
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ChippoPro3,372 posts
11 Mar 2014, 00:36
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11 Mar 2014, 00:36#11
Here's some food for thought.Since mid December 2102 smith has averaged 43.84.
Now how many other openers do we have at the moment that would average 43.84 when IN form?
Smith is a huuuge loss guys. Let's not kid ourselves. 
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Arthur JohnPro1,748 posts
11 Mar 2014, 01:24
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11 Mar 2014, 01:24#12
 Hoor Hoor!
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
11 Mar 2014, 01:44
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11 Mar 2014, 01:44#13
Damn right Smith is a huge loss.......we dont have anyone close to replace him......Elgar is handy but will never average 50 at test level over an extended period.

SA cricket will now slide without Smith and Kallis......lets face it AB, Amla, JP, Faf, Steyn, Philander and Morkel are all the wrong side of 30 or close to
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Mar 2014, 02:57
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11 Mar 2014, 02:57#14
Saffex
I agree that on test level Kallis and Smith are major losses - in the shorter versions of the game they are not - since they have become batting flops in the latter versions.
In any event - we need to start replacing the older players with  younger ones and that in most cases means that there is a slump in respect of test cricket.   In the case of the shorter versions of the game - we have been in a slump for years and only recently started to go forward again when Kallis and Smith were not in the side.  When they were - the slump returned with a vengeance.
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