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Why did White found it necessary to state that reputation count for zilch and that players must earn their places in the Sharks team?

Started by clevermike6 REPLIES2,912 VIEWS· 12 Feb 2014, 19:10
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2014, 19:10
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12 Feb 2014, 19:10#1

This happen even before the start of the Super 15 and one wonders what brought it on.   White would not make statements without reason - so he must have been thorough;;u unhappy with certain experienced players with high reputations.


I wonder what miffed off White so badly that he gave a very clear warning to the so-called reputation players on the Sharks team.


One wonders which players caused him to make that rather public warning.   Was it -


*   Jannie du Plessis - whose scrumming was problematic against Saracens?


*   Willem Alberts for doing squat in the Saracens game and apparently regarded the trip as a weekend off in London"


*   Francois Steyn - for reasons unknown?   


Those three and Beast are the reputation players in the Sharks team and at least one or even more of the mentioned players  must have irked him to make the statement.


Looking at the squad and the fact that White made Deysel the VC of the Sharks and a certainty to start at 7, makes  me believe the main comments were aimed at Alberts.   He is known to have a shockingly low work rate in Super 15 - had that last year in Super 15 - and that he may have to watch out if he wants to remain in the squad.


However, he could also have had Steyn in mind.  Steyn could have been made VC and White refrained from doing so.   Is Steyn's conditioning this year up to standard?  One would only be able to see that over the next three weeks and see how White reacts with regard to player selections after the first few rounds.


What I di know is if I was a reputation player I would start performing on a top notch basis,


       

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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
12 Feb 2014, 19:17
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12 Feb 2014, 19:17#2
 Mike you seem to be mumbling
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AgPleezDeddyClub Pro900 posts
12 Feb 2014, 19:20
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12 Feb 2014, 19:20#3
I don't think it was necessarily aimed at any of the reputation players, I think he said it to give the whole team a boost and incentive. For the older lads, it's incentive to carry on performing despite your reputation and for the younger lads it's incentive to get the form to get into the team.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
12 Feb 2014, 20:56
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12 Feb 2014, 20:56#4

APD


You may be right - but encouragement to players can be provided without media involvement.   I think it is likely both encouragement of players to perform and maybe a veiled warning  to some players that their reputations would not be enough to keep them in the team and performance on high level is also expected from them, 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
13 Feb 2014, 20:38
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13 Feb 2014, 20:38#5
 
clevermike

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Posts: 9098 Why did White found it necessary to state that reputation count for zilch and that players must earn their places in the Sharks team?
February 12, 2014, 17:10:09

This happen even before the start of the Super 15 and one wonders what brought it on.   White would not make statements without reason - so he must have been thorough;;u unhappy with certain experienced players with high reputations.


I wonder what miffed off White so badly that he gave a very clear warning to the so-called reputation players on the Sharks team.


One wonders which players caused him to make that rather public warning.   Was it -


*   Jannie du Plessis - whose scrumming was problematic against Saracens?


*   Willem Alberts for doing squat in the Saracens game and apparently regarded the trip as a weekend off in London"


*   Francois Steyn - for reasons unknown?   


      

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The reasons for Frans Steyn's inclusion is only unknown to the uninformed. While you may think that you know everything about everybody and how every coach think, you are quite bloody dof. This is why Jake White is relying on Frans Steyn:

White has big plans for Steyn

Durban – The performance of unknown 19-year-old centre, Andre Esterhuizen, against Saracens at the weekend was hugely encouraging for the Sharks, and it reminded seasoned supporters of the debut performance of another powerfully built 19-year-old some years ago, Francois Steyn, who will be the first-choice No 12 before Esterhuizen.

Steyn was a late withdrawal from the match because of injury, giving the youngster from North West his opportunity, but the 26-year-old Steyn remains the inside centre of choice as he enters a crucial stage of his career.

For so long, Steyn was the immensely talented youngster whose gung ho approach could be excused on the vagaries of youth, but he is now entering a different stage of his career and needs to show maturity as well as the “X factor”.

Sharks coach Jake White agrees, and he knows Steyn’s ability and personality better than anyone, having introduced the Free Stater to international rugby when White was Bok coach and Steyn still a teenager.

“I’m fortunate that when I coached the national team, a lot of youngsters earned their first Test caps – Frans Steyn, Ryan Kankowski, Odwa Ndungane and Bismarck du Plessis were some of them,” White said before the Saracens game.

“I’ve known what makes Frans tick since he was a schoolboy at Grey College,” White said of a youth who won games for White and the Boks with outrageous drop-goals and booming long-range penalties, and played a significant role in the Boks’ 2007 Rugby World Cup triumph.

“I know how he thinks. His whole life has changed,” White said. “He is married and has a child – his value system has changed. I’m sure that will have an impact on the way he plays.

“Last year, he went through three coaches before the year ended. Frans likes stability, he likes to be guided without force,” White said of the player who fell out with White’s successor at Bok level, Peter de Villiers, who angrily told Steyn that he should not expect a straight answer to Steyn’s plea that he be taken off a merry-go-round that saw him play for the Boks at 10, 11, 12 and 15.

So Steyn packed his kit bag and went for big bucks to Parisian club Racing Metro.

Last year he returned to the Sharks, only to suffer a horrible calf injury against the Highlanders that resulted in him spending more than a week in a Dunedin hospital, and almost the rest of the year on the sidelines when a knee injury then struck in his comeback to training.

“He is still a prodigy, a sensational player, a freak,” White said.

“He was spoken about as the guy who could change rugby. That’s what’s so exciting. I’m back (from Australia), and sat him down and told him I really need him to show everyone what I think he can do. (So, you see ou Maaikie, Jake has effectively selected Frans Steyn on his reputation)

“That’s important, because when he’s next to flyhalf Patrick Lambie, you will see a much better Patrick, and Frans taking control of the things he can.

“He’s still a work in progress,” White said of a player who has already played 53 Tests, but has been absent from the international stage for two years.

“He came back here and had a knee operation after that calf injury, so he’s not 100 percent yet, but everyone knows what his 80 percent is, and that’s better than most people when they’re 100 percent.”(You see, ou Maaikie, another example of Steyn being selected by Jake on his reputation.)

The Sharks conclude their pre-season preparation with a match at Ellis Park against the Lions next week, before playing the Bulls at Kings Park on February 15.





As you can see ou Maaikie, you have clearly either misunderstood Jake's reputation remarks, or you have once again formulated your own idea of what he said and/or meant.
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Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
14 Feb 2014, 14:16
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14 Feb 2014, 14:16#6
 
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Feb 2014, 12:17
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15 Feb 2014, 12:17#7
 Good morning ou Maaikie.
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