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Why Hansen left out some players & included others in the ABs

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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 May 2014, 00:33
#1
13 May 2014, 00:33#1

When a new player comes into the All Blacks' training environment, coach Steve Hansen is trying to learn about them as much as they're trying to learn the playbook.

Since training camps have become the rage ahead of the June test window, the All Blacks have run a series of get-togethers with a larger group of players.

Sometimes Hansen and his coaching group will leave out those they know well but keep them in mind for test selection, while they take a punt on others they want to know more about.

Hansen announced his latest 36-strong training group yesterday and they will assemble for a camp in Christchurch from Sunday to next Tuesday and in Wellington from Sunday, May 25 to Tuesday, May 27.

He's been playing very, very well and ticked all the boxes.Steve Hansen on Malakai Fekitoa

The wider training group includes five players who are uncapped at international level.

Highlanders midfielder Malakai Fekitoa, Blues lock Patrick Tuipulotu, Hurricanes halfback TJ Perenara and hookers Nathan Harris and Liam Coltman have all been summoned, although Perenara was a regular squad member last year. They may not make the final cut to meet England in a three-test home series next month but the selectors will be comfortable they have done enough to canvas the newcomers.

Fekitoa only recently turned 22 but has had an eye-catching string of games for the Highlanders in 2014. "His form was such that we couldn't not include him," Hansen said.

"He's been playing very, very well and ticked all the boxes and he's someone we are very interested in looking at and getting to know a bit better."

The 21-year-old Tuipulotu is a player who holds similar intrigue.

Hansen acknowledged hooker was an ongoing concern, with veteran Crusaders rake Corey Flynn leaving at the end of the Super Rugby season to link with French club Toulouse. Behind Keven Mealamu and the ever-improving Dane Coles there's a noted lack of depth.

Coltman is known to the selectors after spending time with the All Blacks last year but Harris, who has impressed for the Chiefs this season, is someone who could develop nicely.

Halfback is a position where Hansen has chosen to leave out veterans Andy Ellis and Piri Weepu with an eye to ironing out a few "rough edges" from Perenara's game, while Chiefs No9 Tawera Kerr-Barlow is also getting better.

Hurricanes No8 Victor Vito has been recalled after improving his physicality but joins a congested loose forward mix. Selecting the returning Jerome Kaino was a no-brainer, while the broken ankle suffered by Crusaders lock Luke Romano means fellow Cantabrian Luke Whitelock will take part in the Christchurch camp, while Hurricanes second-rower Jeremy Thrush will get a chance at the Wellington camp.

Blues outside back Charles Piutau's knee problem allowed Hansen and Co to pick an extra first-five, which resulted in Colin Slade being selected to practise alongside Aaron Cruden and Beauden Barrett.

Hansen will name his squad to meet England on June 1.


Hooker Nathan Harris. Photo / APN

Hooker Harris takes fast elevator to the top

Nathan Harris has gone from No4 at the Chiefs to No4 in the country in the space of a few months.

The 22-year-old Chiefs and Bay of Plenty hooker attended 2013 All Blacks camps under the hooking apprentice scheme, but his official elevation to the wider training group has been meteoric, when one considers he has started just the last two Chiefs games, and has logged just 220 minutes all season.

In Harris' favour is that his lineout throwing, at an 88 per cent success rate, is rather more accurate than the 67 per cent of regular Chiefs No2 Rhys Marshall, according to the Rugby Herald Stats Centre. He has benefited, in the first instance, from the neck injury which has stymied Hika Elliot's season, and, secondly, from the concerted effort of the Chiefs pack in the last two rounds. Corey Flynn's departure to French club Toulouse at the end of this Super Rugby campaign has also aided his cause in the national pecking order.

Liam Coltman, of the Highlanders, is the other young hooker named, alongside the Canes' Dane Coles and Blues veteran Keven Mealamu. It is not beyond the realms of possibility that Harris could see action in the June series against England given Coles has a bad back and Mealamu's calves are often problematic.

Harris discovered the selection news after the Chiefs' win over the Blues in New Plymouth last Friday night.

"Nathan Harris has been waiting for an opportunity and once he's been given an opportunity, he's been particularly impressive," said All Black coach Steve Hansen. "Liam Coltman's been on the scene for a while and has come along nicely. We're not sure whether they are ready for test rugby, but we'll find out more at the camp."

Two years ago, Harris was part of the New Zealand Under-20s in South Africa. He subsequently outed himself as the man at the centre of rape allegations, which he vigorously denied. The case was later dropped by police.

- Campbell Burnes

All Blacks' training squad:

Hookers: Keven Mealamu (Blues), Nathan Harris (Chiefs), Dane Coles (Hurricanes) and Liam Coltman (Highlanders).

Props: Charlie Faumuina and Tony Woodcock (Blues), Ben Franks (Hurricanes) and Wyatt Crockett and Owen Franks (Crusaders).

Locks: Patrick Tuipulotu (Blues), Brodie Retallick (Chiefs), Jeremy Thrush (Hurricanes) and Dominic Bird and Sam Whitelock (Crusaders).

Loose forwards: Jerome Kaino and Steven Luatua (Blues), Sam Cane and Liam Messam (Chiefs), Victor Vito (Hurricanes) and Richie McCaw, Kieran Read and Luke Whitelock (Crusaders).

Halfbacks: Tawera Kerr-Barlow (Chiefs), TJ Perenara (Hurricanes) and Aaron Smith (Highlanders).

First five-eighths: Aaron Cruden (Chiefs), Beauden Barrett (Hurricanes) and Colin Slade (Crusaders).

Midfielders: Ma'a Nonu (Blues), Conrad Smith (Hurricanes), Ryan Crotty (Crusaders) and Malakai Fekitoa (Highlanders).

Outside backs: Cory Jane and Julian Savea (Hurricanes), Israel Dagg (Crusaders) and Ben Smith (Highlanders).

APNZ

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 May 2014, 00:38
#2
13 May 2014, 00:38#2
This would explain why players like Any Ellis were left out. Ardie Savea was left out and for good reason, i.e. he is still developing physically (not big enough) and they have already had him in training camp & on tour so they know him & will keep an eye on him to see how he develops at s15 level.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
13 May 2014, 01:01
#3
13 May 2014, 01:01#3
 I see the All Blacks are looking to steal Fekitoa. How can the Pacific Islands team develop if the All Blacks continue to steal their best players.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 May 2014, 01:13
#4
13 May 2014, 01:13#4
Sharkbok: good one mate, lol In fact he moved to NZ when he was 15 years old. What about the Beast, does he have SA citizenship yet?  
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
13 May 2014, 03:01
#5
13 May 2014, 03:01#5
 Ah yes the old "stealing the PIs players" chestnut ,virtually all ABs of PI descent where actually born in NZ or where citizens when picked ,plus NZ is one country that actually aids PI rugger as opposed to just cherry picking talent .
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
13 May 2014, 03:32
#6
13 May 2014, 03:32#6
New Zealand have poached so many of the PI players, that they had children in New Zealand that grew up to also become professional rugby players. New Zealand has stolen a whole dynasty from PI. 
Having backline players that weigh over 110kg but have the skill level of small players is why New Zealand backline play is so good. Other countries either have small skillful players or big clumsy backline players.
In South Africa most small players with a few exceptions Willie LeRoux, Breyton Paulse etc are deemed too light- and often rightly so. We instead up with some pumped up creatine players that have lost all ability to step and crash ball remains the first port of call.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 May 2014, 13:05
#7
13 May 2014, 13:05#7
 
It's a sensitive issue. One the Kiwis don't like talking about and when they do they try to move around it in such away that it's justified.

Comments like "plus NZ is one country that actually aids PI rugger as opposed to just cherry picking talent" ... as if this now gives them the right to bring in the annual harvest of talent from the Islands.

They themselves don't have the talent to dominate the world at this sport so why not recruit from other nations?

The All Blacks should represent not only New Zealand but the entire series of islands that litter the ocean round those parts. That would be just and fair. Sadly this is not the case. The Kiwis take all the glory and we all know how they love to pat themselves on the back. 

They scour the islands for talent and then celebrate when they find some rugby genius monster on one of the islands. "He's an All Black in the making, mate!!"

It's always been like that. It will always be like that.

We bring in 1 from Zimbabwe and suddenly it's an issue.  

Laughable.

At least we get to see these talented Islanders play. How many of them would have vanished, never realizing their full potential, while denying us the pleasure of actually seeing them in action.


BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
13 May 2014, 14:10
#8
13 May 2014, 14:10#8
 Clean Cunt..Your'e making a habit out of commenting on shit you know nothing about...Why dont you ring Fekitoa up and ask him where his allegiance lies? Ask him if he wants to return to the Islands and play or become an All Black..Leave the ball in his court...There ain't no gun to his head!!
Its much the same as life with your mrs..Show her my picture and ask her if she wants to stay with you as she "grew up" with you or if she wants to hop on my dick because its a much better prospect. It can offer her so much more ;-)
NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
13 May 2014, 14:22
#9
13 May 2014, 14:22#9
duplicate
BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
13 May 2014, 14:31
#10
13 May 2014, 14:31#10
 Clean Cunt doesnt understand the fact that these players only make it to the top level due to what NZL offers them in the way of rugby skills from school level up.If they stay in the Islands, they will end up just being big athletes with raw skillset. NZL hones their skill and instills professionalism which is why Fiji, Tonga and Samoa dont come close to beating NZL.
They have bigger players. Often just as fast if not faster but still lose by 60+..They learn all the intricacies of the game in NZL and where you need to be to perform on the biggest stage instead of just learning to play backyard rugby. Malakai Fekitoa would not be half the player he is if not for NZL so why should he not repay the faith that the country showed in him?
Please dont expect Clean Cunt to get this. He doesn't even know what sarcasm is!
NU
nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
13 May 2014, 14:37
#11
13 May 2014, 14:37#11
 You are growing on me BL. 
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
13 May 2014, 15:02
#12
13 May 2014, 15:02#12
Well of course we are off the subject but that is par for the course, lol Amazing how many topics are just used as an entry point for brining up ongoing "debates", e.g. JJ, Frans, etc. & this one where one poster wants to take a dig at another

Anyway, back to the point of the article. It lets us know (as though we needed to be told again) that NZ has so much talent & Hansen knows how to keep an eye on emerging talent and develop it. This is why we see Ardie Savea going on tour last year and Harris being bought into the camp this year. Another example of the total approach to rugby in NZ. Also, players like Vito and maybe Slade are included in the camp to keep them happy (lowers the risk of them going off the Europe or Japan) & keep them in the pipeline if needed. Smart!
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
13 May 2014, 15:26
#13
13 May 2014, 15:26#13
 
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With that 2 incher of yours?? ... consisting of 1.5 inches of foul smelling foreskin.

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There's a reason why your called SmallCock, LimpDick!!!

You probably have to stroke each hair when standing in front of the urinal and whichever one reacts is the one you use to piss out of.

Or do you sit down and dry yourself off with some 2 ply ... hey big boy???

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!



 




BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
13 May 2014, 15:36
#14
13 May 2014, 15:36#14
 Thought of my dick get you all hot and bothered there Clean Cunt?? It warranted a whole piece on it from you..
Your material is pretty outdated though so please excuse us if we spare our laughter.I rest my case on you and your ability to comment on shit you know nothing of..You wrote a whole piece on my dick which u have never seen and it holds as much value as your piece on NZL selecting Islander born players. Both topics you know nothing about.
Lets talk about how I put my foot in it on my other thread I started after the Saders v Reds..ha ha talk about slow on the draw!
Clean Cunt, could you be the "slowest" poster on here??
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 May 2014, 12:44
#15
14 May 2014, 12:44#15
 
Hey SmallCock ... I see you didn't refute it.

Interesting!!!

I presume it hangs there like a limp piece of hollow spaghetti ... huh?

Tell me ... can you do tricks with it?

Can you slurp up water with your trunk?

Huh?

Can you roll it up like an elephant does it's trunk ... hmmmm?

How about whistling through it. In what key do you perform?

Shame ... having a foul piece of tube like flesh dominating the length of your pecker must really have hurt your confidence.

It's no wonder you wanna shag other guys wives.

I think I now understand why your such an Arsehole.

Ever heard of circumcision? It's a medical procedure that'll rid you of that silly piece of hanging flesh.

I realize it would make your penis look more like a pressed stud but hey ... what can you do ... right, SmallCock?


BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
14 May 2014, 14:32
#16
14 May 2014, 14:32#16
 Yep, I can perform many tricks with it..My favourite is one I like to call the disappearing act. It involves, me, it and your wife..That trick never gets too old for her. 
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
14 May 2014, 15:36
#17
14 May 2014, 15:36#17
 
Yeah right ... who you kidding ...

Best bet for you is to lean your pressed stud up against the washing machine during it's rinse cycle.









BO
BoklogicPro1,978 posts
14 May 2014, 15:51
#18
14 May 2014, 15:51#18
 You sure do know a whole lot of tricks with regards to a "pressed stud!" Something you wana tell us??
Perhaps with a bit more length, the wife wouldnt be playing hide the sausage with randoms!
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