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Why isn't Delande used as a Dummy Runner?

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
30 Aug 2022, 23:21
#1
30 Aug 2022, 23:21#1

The skip pass from flyhalf to outside centre is not seen as often as it used to be.
W hen the inside centre is a dummy runner to draw the defence, rather than take the pass. 

The outside centre can either pass outwards to the winger, or the fullback who has now joined the line on his outside, or inwards to a forward, or even the flyhalf who is running at an angle. 

I suggest passing above Delande when he is not in a position to run onto the ball at pace. Sometimes the inside centre does not even have to know they are going to be the dummy runner, by passing above them. 

And then I remembered AM is not playing, and Kriel is the outside centre...

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
30 Aug 2022, 23:57
#2
30 Aug 2022, 23:57#2

Bark trying to play coach... how cute! Yeah well it was tried a bit but didn't work out so well. That was 2018 into 2019. Am and Kriel did fuck all! Then widened the line and de Lindy was the playmaker. You retards really loved that shit... thought it was world class. Now we have Bark trying to dazzle with the basic shit he read online. Fuck me this is the same clown who says he knows better than Erasmus! Amazing! It'll blows this bozos mind when he learns that teams use multiple defensive systems in one game! XD! He'll literally shit his pants! Fucking hilarious! 

MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
31 Aug 2022, 00:02
#3
31 Aug 2022, 00:02#3

He's been used as a dummy his entire career Sharkbok.........

And I'm sure Kriel will appreciate a floated pass over the top of DDA that arrives at the same time as Koroibete's shoulder in his rather exposed ribcage!!

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
31 Aug 2022, 00:27
#4
31 Aug 2022, 00:27#4

Jessica Kriel was KOed 2 weeks ago.  Let's see how he deals with a few long floating hospital passes.
I was actually happy when he got knocked out as that meant Willie Leroux could get onto the pitch. 
He made a pathetic tackle on the All-Black winger that led to a clean break , and then the same player knocked him out shortly afterwards. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Aug 2022, 01:24
#5
31 Aug 2022, 01:24#5
Fuck it Shark you come across as one really ignorant rugby follower Everything is simple for you. You have no idea when it comes to the technical stuff You always sound like you are still at school when the coach says pass the ball down the line to the wing
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
31 Aug 2022, 01:54
#6
31 Aug 2022, 01:54#6

I understand that at least 50% of the time an inside centre should carry it up and take contact to set up a ruck for the next phase of play.

When none of the outside backline players has space, crashing the ball up to suck in defenders is a better option. A crash ball can run between the inside centre and flyhalf, or inwards towards the pack from the initial 1st phase lineout or scrum. 

This should be the option when the supporting runners are marked by their opposite number and have no space. So, passing the ball will just create a ruck further away from the forward fetchers.
And that is assuming the outside player catches the ball and has no space and is forced to go to the ground, which would be loose messy ball away from the fetchers. 

When there are overlaps the ball has to go wide. It needs to go through the hands to draw the defenders and create the space for a clean break. Kicking on an overlap is not the right option. 
Nor is Delande carrying the ball up when he does not run onto the ball at pace.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
31 Aug 2022, 08:22
#7
31 Aug 2022, 08:22#7

So you want a dummy pass to 13... what's the backline structure gonna be? 9 to 13? 9 to 10 to13? Maybe 9 to 15 to13 skipping 10 or no 10 at all? Maybe 12 or 11 at first receiver or 6 or 4? How are they gonna be lined up? How do the backs fit around the forwards? Who are your cleaners? How are you gonna protect wide ball? How does that fit into the next phases? Where on the field? Is it a starter play? What happens if it all goes wrong? Lots of shit to think about huh? But fuck me... haven't even asked who the defender we are targeting is? Do we want to attack the opposition 13 here? How do we fix their outside defender? There was a book I read as a kid.... can't remember the title.. was written by a kiwi coach. Still relevant today. Bark should fucking memorize that book before even dreaming of making another post! XD! You also learn that shit at a good rugby school. I guess people that didn't play to a good level at least can't see the simple stuff in the game when watching on TV. You can't fucking pull the wool over my eyes posting simple basic shit from a rugby website. Have some fucking sense man! But hey, maybe this will make you think a little more before criticising Erasmus. Let that shit sink in! 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
31 Aug 2022, 09:23
#8
31 Aug 2022, 09:23#8

Augie ... you seem to have all the answers.

Why not tell us how you would fix the Boks ... from selections to game plan.

The floor is yours.



PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Aug 2022, 09:49
#9
31 Aug 2022, 09:49#9
DDA only ever carries the ball up. He has 64 Caps and 35, that’s right 35, points to his name…meaning 7 tries. After 64 caps, it’s exceedingly difficult to put together a highlight reel of decent passes or quality support runs that he’s made. The defence from his fanboys is, once you read between the lines, DDA’s mandate is basically that of a lose forward. Defend a channel, smash it up and get over the ball where you can. My question; If that is how the Rassie Federation want our 12 to play…why not just pick a loosie in that position? I challenge anyone to attempt to point out what a ridiculous proposition that is via listing what is required from DDA at 12 that many of our loosies couldn’t do far better. Explain to me how Kwagga or Roos could not do what DDA does and better. There won’t be clear answer. There never is. It’ll be vague nonsense like “Kwagga isn’t a 12” or “flankers can’t play at 12” or “more skill is required at 12”…which can all be summarised down to “because” without an explanation. Go on, rugby geniuses of Ruckers, make your argument. Hopefully you’ll put some reasoning after the word “because” since if you don’t then all it’ll tell me is that you’re simply appealing to tradition. Note…i’m not saying loosies should play at 12. I’m saying that loosies could replace DDA at 12 and do better.
PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Aug 2022, 09:56
#10
31 Aug 2022, 09:56#10
“When none of the backline players has space, crashing the ball up is a better option to suck in defenders. A crash ball can run between the inside centre and flyhalf, or inwards towards the pack from the initial 1st phase lineout or scrum. “ I agree with this, VisKop. The kicker is that DDA has more time than both the 9 and 10 to asses the situation. By the time the ball gets to him, any back line player, even at club level should know whether to smash or distribute. He always seems totally oblivious despite having more time than anyone else to make a decision. Some here have been pointing this out for YEARS.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
31 Aug 2022, 15:29
#11
31 Aug 2022, 15:29#11

I would rather have Kwagga, or an equally skilled loose forward at 12 than Delande. 
Kwagga can at least draw and pass to create space. The best Delande can do is shovel the ball along adding minimal value. 


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
31 Aug 2022, 19:13
#12
31 Aug 2022, 19:13#12

If de Lindy has to pass in a planned move he is okay... he just can't think things through. Can't feel where the pressure is coming from. You don't have to look and see what's going on, the game goes to quick to havveto fucking stop and think. You feel the flow of the movement and pick up visual cues. De Lindy has never ever been able to do this simple shit. It's crazy. You should know it before you ever get to senior level. You get to this level and need that hands on coaching you're in the shit! But as shit as he is he is now being blamed for everything. You ass holes won't embrace the truth... they're all shit. Am and Willemse have a easy as hell step to see coming but it can help a bit. But none of them are constructive in the running they do. It just isn't something that comes naturally to you guys... so why make them do it? Erasmus has it just right. 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Sept 2022, 00:06
#13
01 Sept 2022, 00:06#13
You clueless twits are beyond understanding the value of DA Inside centres don’t have a history of scoring tries in the modern game Scoring tries is not the measure of an inside centre you fool
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,227 posts
01 Sept 2022, 00:17
#14
01 Sept 2022, 00:17#14

The main requirement of a centre is knowing when to crash-ball and when to pass, then being good at executing either. 
Scoring tries is a bonus. 

Delande overdoes the crash ball, especially when he does not run onto the ball at speed. 
It is like watching a re-run, as the opposition outnumbers him. We all know Delande will try to carry the ball up, even if he isolates himself or if there is a chance to pass wide. The Delande wrestle mania...



SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Sept 2022, 00:34
#15
01 Sept 2022, 00:34#15
Fuck me how many more times do you need to be told that DA is playing according to instructions If the coaches thought he was doing something wrong we would see something different from him or him being dropped DA is the best carrying 12 in the game, the guy has freakish strength But he is equally capable of beating defenders through skill as we have seen with some of the breaks he has made this year
XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
01 Sept 2022, 00:59
#16
01 Sept 2022, 00:59#16

Luamape - 15 matches, 8 trys

Samuel Kerevi - 38 Matches, 8 trys

Duh Allende - 56 Matches, 7 tries

Sure wish he start using some more skill...

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2022, 02:22
#17
01 Sept 2022, 02:22#17

Simple answer…because his brain would lock and even as dummy runner he’d crash into an opponent. Tell me it ain’t so!

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Sept 2022, 09:44
#18
01 Sept 2022, 09:44#18
Saffex You can’t blame the game plan for his mistakes and bad decisions. If he’s only there to smash it up then fine. But for years now he has been making schoolboy errors that aren’t excusable no mater how you slice it. I swear, we’ve been saying this 3-4 years already…
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Sept 2022, 09:55
#19
01 Sept 2022, 09:55#19
Your take on what constitutes errors is a load of shit If he was that bad he would have been dropped ages ago You lot are seriously clueless
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
01 Sept 2022, 10:15
#20
01 Sept 2022, 10:15#20

Oh really Bilbo?? Throwing shitty passes, running the wrong direction fucking up moves, crabbing into the outside backs squeezing them into touch and leading defenders into the receiver, shitty body position in contact, turnovers, weird kicks into nowhere for no reason, shitty offloads (seems to retards only hate this now... after he was playing like SBW! SMFH!!!)... I could go on for days...

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Sept 2022, 11:19
#21
01 Sept 2022, 11:19#21

Is it though, Saffex?

Never, like ever, running support lines or being remotely near play on break outs. I guess that's not an error...just general suckage. Of course, this is only one element of his play.

Omissions can be crimes to ya know


CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
01 Sept 2022, 11:41
#22
01 Sept 2022, 11:41#22

Jean De Villiers ... 108 test matches ... 27 test tries.

On average that's a try every 4 test matches.

De Lindy scores a try every 8 matches. 


There are a few players like Siya Kolisi who no matter how poor are never dropped. Why not De Lindy? He's al most as useless.


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
01 Sept 2022, 11:43
#23
01 Sept 2022, 11:43#23

DA is the best carrying 12 in the game, the guy has freakish strength

Yeah sure Bilbo... Kerevi ran all over the motherfucker last year... Blocks don't have ONE strong carrier! Hear that??? NOT ONE you mash potato bodied fool! 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2022, 15:07
#24
01 Sept 2022, 15:07#24

Actually Dave is firmer than mashed potato….more like avocado bodied.

MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
02 Sept 2022, 09:57
#25
02 Sept 2022, 09:57#25

Nah, mashed potato poured into a balloon. Pretty sure of it. 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Sept 2022, 10:21
#26
02 Sept 2022, 10:21#26
Am, at 12, is within the event horizon of the DDA black hole. Sound can’t escape black holes and this is why Am’s protestation won’t ever be heard. Question; When two players are within a black hole and one calls for a pass, does the other hear him? The evidence says “No”
MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
02 Sept 2022, 11:48
#27
02 Sept 2022, 11:48#27

Am is his own black hole. Three black holes... 10... 12... 13...

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
02 Sept 2022, 13:54
#28
02 Sept 2022, 13:54#28

How would you know, Tit?

You and your loudmouth can't save us from our woeful predicament ... and yet here you again ... mouthing off ... pretending to be in the know.

Haaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!!!

 


MS
Mrs SearlePro1,533 posts
02 Sept 2022, 19:43
#29
02 Sept 2022, 19:43#29

Clowncunt, your yapping is starting to look weak. What the fuck does having a say have to do with being saving the Blocks. Are YOU the fucking chosen one? No? Then put your hoof back in your blab hole. Thanks in advance. 

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