14 Nov 2013, 16:18#3
A confident Lambie is a different animal.
We need to compare apples with apples.
Which Lambie will show up come Sunday?
14 Nov 2013, 16:30#5
And tell me Buggered ... how many of those matches did he start in and how many at 10?
14 Nov 2013, 16:32#6
Clean, your statement highlights someting very important about Lambie. "Which Lambie will show up" that pretty much sums it all up. He cannot be relied on. Also, his goal kicking is just not good enough for an international flyhalf. That is why the Bok management keep on going back to Morne as a default. Hopefully we'll soon see Goosen assume his rightful place in the Bok no.10 jersey, but in the mean time, Lambie is nothing more than a stop gap, while Morne recovers.
14 Nov 2013, 18:02#7
Sun-Tzu, more food for thought...... the number of tries scored by the listed gentleman:
Jannie de Beer-2
Morne Steyn-8
Naas Botha-2
Joel Stransky-6
Braam van Straaten-2
Louis Koen-0
Percy Montgommery-14
Gaffie du Toit-5
Ian McCallum-0
Andre Pretorius-2
MDMonkey D Luffy
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14 Nov 2013, 20:05#9
if thet gave lambie half the chances they gave morne in 2012, im sure lmabie will come through in flying colours.
mornes game is just too one kick pony, we have seen glimpses of what the Boks can doo on attack in 2013 and it has looked impressive, but in order to continue down that positive expansive track, meyers going to need either lambie or goosen leading th way at 10.
but its clear by the way meyers recent selections that hes going to go all in with the veterans as the backbone core of his plan.
in someways hes trying to mimic the All Blacks and the way the core of their team still has its veterans in place like carter, read, smith, nonu, whitelock, franks and woody, but the difference between the All Black verteans and the 'canterbury NZ Springbok' veterans is NZ have always been a part of the NZRU system the whole way through, its a 100% NZ with no bit part players plying their trade in all corners of the earth.
if goosen or lambie dont get a decent chance by RC/4nats to play some decent gametime, the 'canterbury NZ Springboks' can kiss their RWC chances goodbye,
14 Nov 2013, 21:13#10
Sasu busy with his regular remarks again.....
STSun-Tzu
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14 Nov 2013, 21:48#11
Sas, Lambie has had years to make an impression; an entire EOYT, entire Super XV campaigns. Yet all he has are two CC games. Lambie is a poor man's Earl Rose, not even a Pretorius. Hell Brent Russell was more successful at 10! Every 10 that has been touted as more "creative" have turned out to be more limited and far less useful. Whether you like it or not, the truth is the truth.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Nov 2013, 01:10#12
Yeah Morne is so great that he has a win record of 61.5% for the Boks, so what has been the point of all those points kicked given they have only won us a dismal 61.5%
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
15 Nov 2013, 01:13#13
Yet he is a points machine, as stated above. Please explain how Lambie makes up for this.
SASaffolk
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SASaffolk Captain30,741 posts
15 Nov 2013, 01:45#14
Lambie cannot be judged as a test 10 yet as he has had no investment there. Had we seen him play there for the last 3 years or so, we would have seen more fluidity in the Bok backs given Lambie is a far better rugby player than Morne with far better attacking instincts and attributes.
His goal kicking is probably marginally behind that of Morne and that is the only department where Morne has the edge.
Why not insult us all and inform us that Morne is the more creative of the two, the more athletic, the quicker and the better defender?
Bottom line is, Lambie is a far better rugby player than Morne, who sadly has had little investment as our 10.......instead we have had to endure a ponderous plodder as our pivot, thanks to a conservative coach or two.
Given Lambie and Goosen at your disposal, why oh why would any rugby man select Morne???
Its like choosing cheese over chocolate!!
15 Nov 2013, 11:23#15
It's pointless having talent oozing out of every orifice when your incapable of playing to your potential due to nerves.
First task would be to manage your nerves properly. Get it under control.
Playing on the verge of a panicked state leads to disaster.
Also, showing your talent against a lesser side is one thing but what happens when you suddenly find yourself facing one of the bigger dogs?
That is where the men are separated from the boys.
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
15 Nov 2013, 15:58#16
Saffex, Lambie had an ENTIRE EOYT to show something! It took Morné one test to cement his place. That's the quality of great players, they just come in and deliver. Think of Van Niekerk, Schalk, Juan, Habana, Brussow, Alberts, Willie, Vermeulen, Matfield, Bakkies, Du Preez, Frans, Joost, Andrews and so many others it would be at great length I list them all. Not one took several years to "get a chance to prove themselves in that one great test that's always over the horizon". Now we see Watson, Mvovo, Nokwe, Spies, Pretorius, Earl Rose, JJ, Adi, Hall and many other flops. Lambie has started five tests as flyhalf, played 7 off the bench; he has played the vast majority of his rugby for the Sharks at flyhalf in three seasons. He has had more than enough time, more than enough opportunity. Morné was on the verge of being dropped last year and the EOYT was a massive platform to show something. You rarely get opportunities like that Saffex, you have to take them with both hands with ravenous intent. Lambie blew it, and I do not see a future for him. Meyer has his sights on Goosen it would seem as a youngster to develop as the next Bok 10 post 2015.
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Nov 2013, 21:34#17
Cer adyne
I am sure of one thing. When the guy pulled the chain he was trying to flush you down the drain - so be careful with the pics you post on here.
16 Nov 2013, 00:14#18
Ohhhh that hurt, ou Maaikie. Think I will have to phone the suicide helpline now. You are such a poepol you know. You cannot handle your lies being shown up time and again and then you resort to personal attacks, as usual. Not like it is really bothers me at all. I just find it strange that the one who is always ready with personal attacks is also the first to start pissing about personal attacks. Any way, I actually pity you because as they say in Afrikaans: "Salig is die wat arm is van gees".
CLclevermike
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16 Nov 2013, 01:16#19
Sun-Tzu
I agree with you some players come in and delivers immediately - those players are the highly - talented ones in their positions. However, I have been following the career of Morne Steyn since the time he played under 21 in 2004 - also his time with the Bulls.
He never really was a talented flyhalf - but determined to make the grade, he started to specialise in two issues attached to the game - namely his kicking game - both at goal and strategic. Being a very determined and hardworking person (a nice person to boot) he developed those two aspects of his game to a high level of performance.
For the rest there is one thing he could never learn from outside sources or even by training, that is the most important component of flyhalf play - and that relates to ball sense - the reading of the game and instinctive decision taking that would derive optimum benefit for his team.
The latter remains a problem - despite his ability to kick penalties and conversions - the results only rarely impact on the outcome of games - problem is he was always one-dimensional and predictable - allowing the opposition to benefit even more from having him as their opposing flyhalf than they lose from his goal kicking abilities.
There are in fact three aspects of his game that makes him utterly predictable, namely -
* The fact that he never attack the gain line himself and they can consequently not bother about defending against him;
* The fact that they can re-organise their defences in advance and fall back to recover kicks or go for the next ball recipient to tackle him.
* The fact that he always stood too deep in the pocket and only htis year on the instruction stood less deep and passed the ball mpre than he used to.
Over the years there was at times negatives in his game. In key games he missed goal kicks when one expect him to make it. It is largely die to nerves that he missed 80% kicks at goal in Dunedin, 50% in the Bulls - Brumbies semi-final this year and 33% at the Ellis Park test.
Never really a good defender Morne really has like Engelbrecht a flawed tackling technique - this year it became even clearer than in the past
I think that with all the faults assigned to :Lambie - there is one thing he ois not - and that is the predictability issue. He does vary his game and is good in reading the game. Where in the case of Steyn - the opposition knows exactly what to expect - in the case of Lambie they do not know.
That for me is the main my reason why I rather see Lambie as flyhalf ahead of Steyn..
STSun-Tzu
Club Pro713 posts
16 Nov 2013, 17:13#20
"Where in the case of Steyn - the opposition knows exactly what to expect - in the case of Lambie they do not know."
There are some issues with this. There appears this persistent belief that in order to be a good attacker one must always do the unexpected or be unfathomable. This is hogwash at best for it does not equate to calculated genius, rather erratic-ism. No wonder then why so many players plied their trade on this notion and subsequently faded into obscurity. The more "out there" one tries to become the more limited and predictable they become; its a simple truism that is applicable to all methods and modes of living. Rugby is a simple game where there are never really any secrets, particularly at professional level. Everyone knows what to expect. The secret is to what you do well and make the right decision more often than not. In terms of attacking rugby? The various units of attack are finite and require the unification of the team (not the individual.) Morné has already proven that he can function in this capacity quite well at both test and provincial level. Its also no wonder that the Boks great attacking stats this year are the result of finding balance in the team and using them more - expanding the team attack beyond one-up runners. There is so much to this that you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge because the very core of your perception is the unfounded loathing of an individual. I have noted how you pick and choose what 'facts' to look at because your focus is not understanding, but rather supporting the unfounded delusion so as to press home your gospel to every poor soul is present to be bludgeoned with it. Its erred so much on the extreme in your 7000+ posts that clearly you have become dulled to its severity. Be that as it may, its obviously your life, your choices and you alone will bare the consequences of the choices you personally make (I hope ), I merely entreat you to become more flexible in your thinking and to consider other possibilities and achieve a greater balance. You obviously aren't intrinsically stupid, just prejudiced.
