27 Aug 2014, 17:17#2
Conrad reminds me of the type of player the Wallabies used to have ,smart contributor in lots of plays that go unnoticed because he is so slick and also an important part of the leadership group .Fekitoa is still a wee bit one dimensional especially regarding passing .Some geezer wrote an article in the roar about how Conrad was "over rated " and he couldnt understand why he was an AB. you just cant explain some things to blokes who rate youthful rockem' sockem' exuberance ahead of match winning experience,skill and smarts in a body thats still doing whats asked of it.
GTGonzo the Great
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27 Aug 2014, 19:41#3
smith is like fourie... smart as hell. you cant replace smarts with youth! fekitoa will nevet be in the same class as conrad no way in hell. pure physicality can be stopped a super brain will always find a way!
JWJust_win
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27 Aug 2014, 19:48#4
Yes Fekitoa is a bit one dimensional at the moment. He will develop but never be a Conrad. Croty showed us some skills & smarts do I am glad he got his first start.
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27 Aug 2014, 20:04#5
shame about crottu could be a crucial blow coz he played a blinder! no need for sonny when he and nonu come back.
JWJust_win
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27 Aug 2014, 20:45#6
We will need all of them for the RWC
SASaffolk
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27 Aug 2014, 22:01#7
Smith is on the way out Fik is the new real deal. The ABs get it right they introduce Fik with an eye to replacing Smith unlike the Meyer way where useless washed up has beens are recalled to replace classy youngsters.
You don't see the kiwis doing that. Their model is spot on.
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28 Aug 2014, 01:20#8
well eventually maybe but thsts when smith really is done. nz nevet throw kids out helplessly... not ever. even carter had to slowly prove himself at 12. and man if youback fekitoa then damn hahahaha youve just ryined his career by jinxing it!
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28 Aug 2014, 01:20#9
well eventually maybe but thsts when smith really is done. nz nevet throw kids out helplessly... not ever. even carter had to slowly prove himself at 12. and man if youback fekitoa then damn hahahaha youve just ryined his career by jinxing it!
MOMozart
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28 Aug 2014, 02:09#10
Actually what you don't see the ABs doing is dropping in form veteran players for flavor of the day newbies....there is a NZ team. Think about it this way...none of Hendriks, de Allende, Lambie, Goosen, Pollard, Reinach, Malherbe, Lomp, or Coetzee will make the AB team ...if we pick them we are conceding the advantage.
SASaffolk
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28 Aug 2014, 02:15#11
Rubbish hendricks is better than Jane, De allende as good as Fik who are both on the rise while smith is slipping, lambie, Goosen and pollard are better than Cruden, reinach is as good as smith, malherbe is better than the older franks, lood is as good as retallick and better than whitelock and coetzee is better than mc caw and messam.
MOMozart
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28 Aug 2014, 02:31#12
Not yet Cloudy...couldn't have said it better. It most of those cases probably never.
CLClaydog
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28 Aug 2014, 03:56#13
Saf- fex you would seem to have it in the bag then, just selections holding you back.
28 Aug 2014, 07:29#14
It looks like HM prefers to toss the youngsters in at the deep end and see how they fare ,would that be true ? Or does it just appear that way ? I like how young blokes like Ardie Savea are inoculated with the ABS team culture first and gradually get blooded without being bloodied .Being given a run on when the pressure is off must make it much easier to handle and become used to test match stresses.
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28 Aug 2014, 12:35#15
lambie cant read defences, cant fix his man, cant tackle, cant pass well, he is slow and cannot make even the most basic decisions. man cruden is not the perfect 10 but he is pretty useful lambie has zero! goosen is just a bare bones link. with all those angled runners coming onto the ball at pace at the cheetahs it doesnt really matter that he cant play flat because they target the wider channels with their raw speed where they can play off of their 13 and 15 or the forwards before reversing play on one of their attack patterns (strauss is SO awesome at getting that quick go forward ball to setup the reverse). so saggex, you be trippin'
BEBeeno1
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28 Aug 2014, 12:57#16
De Jongh a deadly open file dtackler - hahahahaha good one Dr Moz!
Conrad carthorse is way over hyped. If abs were wise they would play Feki. Thankfully Conrad looks set to stay as do es mcaaaw etc.
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28 Aug 2014, 13:10#17
de jongh is our best defensing 13 period look at the stats he is the best if you dont take fourie into account.
BEBeeno1
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28 Aug 2014, 13:38#19
hahhahahaha now ou gonzou joining in on the joke!! Moz you are in bad company!
GEgeneraltit
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28 Aug 2014, 13:44#20
Not necessary every SA fan would agree, Mozart, there are those that give credit and favour in the right context. Age and/or maturity has on it's own got nothing to do with it in every case...it is entirely individualistic...Cloudy mentioned Frank Bunce who was 35 with Fitzpatricks AB's and shear class and fit...and a steps ahead of those latter day players mentioned.
It's individual fitness, sharpness and strength...what applies to one man does not necessary to another. Matfield and Botha (Bakkies) are entirely a different story.
Gonzo your view on PL is utter nonsense and crap. G is for Gonzo, goiter, gonorrhea and gout...hey ho says Rowley...lol.
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28 Aug 2014, 13:45#21
hahahahaha! prove it bud! i double dare ya! 32 tests you go and find this awesome players evidence that he aint shidt. go on big mouth. or are you a no show like your namesake?
MOMozart
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28 Aug 2014, 18:05#22
Lambie is a small, slow chap with no step and little confidence. Yep, let's have more of those!
De Jongs test stats are about 92 per cent tackle success. They are lower in the. s15, for the simple reason that de Jongh attempts plenty of low probability kick chase tackles. He doesn't watch his stats. The Stormers emphasize the deep tackle.
If De Jongh were to hang back like JJ and only tackle in structured defensive situations he would be very high on the list. But this is post graduate stuff....don't let it worry you HasBen.
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28 Aug 2014, 19:34#23
you are so right mozart! its kinda like morne at ellis park all of his misses were chasing from behind after new zealand already tire a gaping chasm in our defence ... even made some try saving tackles. but the twisty snake man mika used that to lie. all dirty liars.
