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Why rugby has backs.

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XaviPro1,924 posts
03 Apr 2017, 20:48
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03 Apr 2017, 20:48#1

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Why Rugby Has Backs

It is largely unknown to players and followers of the modern game that rugby started off purely as a contest for forwards in opposition in line-outs, scrums, rucks and mauls. This pitted eight men of statuesque physique, supreme fitness and superior intelligence in packs against one another. In those days, the winner was the pack that won the most set pieces. The debasement of the game began when backs were introduced. This occurred because a major problem was where to locate the next scrum or line-out. Selecting positions on the ground for these had become a constant source of friction and even violence.

The problem was resolved by employing forward rejects, men of small stature and limited intelligence, to run aimlessly around within the field of play. Following a set piece, the ball would be thrown to one of them, who would establish the next location either by dropping it or by throwing it to another reject for dropping. Very occasionally, a third reject would receive the ball before it would be dropped, and crowds would wildly cheer on these rare occasions. Initially these additional players were entirely disorganized but with the passing of time they adopted set positions.

 

For instance, take the half-back. He was usually one of the smallest and least intelligent of the backs whose role was simply to accept the ball from a forward and to pass it on to one of the other rejects who would drop it, providing the new location for the forwards to compete. He could easily (given his general size) have been called a quarter forward or a ball monkey but then tolerance and compassion are the keys to forward play and the present euphemism was decided on.

The five-eighth plays next to the half-back and his role is essentially the same except that when pressured, he usually panics and kicks the ball. Normally, he is somewhat taller and slightly better built than the half-back and hence his name. One-eighth less and he would have been a half-back, three-eighths more and he might well have qualified to become a forward.

 

The centres were opportunists who had no expertise but wanted to share in the glamour associated with forward packs. After repeated supplication to the forwards for a role in the game they would be told to get out in the middle of the field and wait for instructions. Thus, when asked where they played, they would reply “in the centre”. And they remain to this day, parasites and scroungers who mostly work as lawyers or used car dealers.

 

You may ask, why wingers? The answer is simple. Because these were players who had very little ability and were the lowest in the backline pecking order, they were placed as far away from the ball as possible. Consequently, and because the inside backs were so diligent in their assigned role of dropping the ball whenever they received it, the main contribution to the game made by the winger was not to get involved. Their instructions were to run away as quickly as possible whenever trouble appeared, and to avoid tackles at all costs. The fact that the game was organised so that the wingers didn’t get to touch the ball led to an incessant flow of complaints from them and eventually the apt description “whingers” was applied. Even though the “h” dropped off over the years, the whingeing itself unfortunately has not.

 

Lastly, the full-back. This was the position given to the worst handler, the person least able to accept or pass the ball, someone who was always in the way. The name arose because the forwards would understandably become infuriated by the poor play invariably demonstrated by that person, and call out “send that fool back”. He would then be relegated well out of everyone’s way to the rear of the field.

 

So there you have it. Let’s return to the glory days of a contest between two packs of eight men of statuesque physique, supreme fitness and superior intelligence. The rest can go off to where they will be happier – playing soccer.

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XaviPro1,924 posts
03 Apr 2017, 20:51
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03 Apr 2017, 20:51#2
 Found this on the webbings, not sure who to attribute with it. Might be a Mr Tony Lembke.

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
03 Apr 2017, 21:15
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03 Apr 2017, 21:15#3
Excellent article! Whoever wrote it knows his rugby.
Thus has it ever been . . . strong, brave and manly forwards spilling blood, sweat and tears to win the ball only to give it to the backs and see some mincing little paff knock it on or kick it back to the opposition, sending the noble forwards back into battle to win the ball all over again while the backs pose for the cameras, compare hair gels and discuss skin softening products.
Piano movers and piano players!
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XaviPro1,924 posts
03 Apr 2017, 21:25
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03 Apr 2017, 21:25#4
 Somebody has to chat up the wives and girlfriends Rooi...... 
It's a tough job but us backs are up to the challenge, when we're not comparing hair products of course.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
04 Apr 2017, 03:21
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04 Apr 2017, 03:21#5
 Brilliantly funny article I thought I read that there were no specific positions in the very beginning of rugby?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
04 Apr 2017, 07:14
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04 Apr 2017, 07:14#6
JW, in the early days of rugby there were no specific positions for forwards who would pack down in the scrum or form the lineout pretty much in the order they arrived, but I think there was always a distinction between forwards and backs . . . or warriors and nancy-boys . . . whatever you prefer to call them.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
04 Apr 2017, 08:15
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04 Apr 2017, 08:15#7
 Thanks xavi, enjoyed that .
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
05 Apr 2017, 07:56
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05 Apr 2017, 07:56#8
LOL...thanks for that Xavi...good rugby humour but way back...a team consisted of only references to fullback, three quarters, half backs and forwards comprising of 15 members.

I discovered this when I tried to ascertain what position my very late great uncle played in 1910...it simply said forward.

I could not find the team list only the British Lions side which comprised of :

Name
Position Club Country First Test Second Test Third Test Stanley Williams Full Back Newport England Played Played Played Mel Baker Three-Quarter Newport Wales

Played Reg Plummer Three-Quarter Newport Wales


Maurice Edward Neale Three-Quarter Bristol England Played Played Played Alexander Foster Three-Quarter City of Derry Ireland Played Played
C.G. Timms Three-Quarter Edinburgh University Scotland[1]


Jack Jones Three-Quarter Newport Wales Played Played Played Jack Spoors Three-Quarter Bristol England Played Played Played Kenneth Berridge Wood Three-Quarter Leicester England Played
Played Noel Forbes Humphreys Half back Tynedale Walesuncapped


Arthur Norman McClinton Half back North of Ireland Ireland


G.A.M. Isherwood Half back Cheshire and Sale England uncapped Played Played Played Eric Milroy Half back Watsonians Scotland


Tommy Smyth(tour captain) Forward Newport Ireland
Played Played William Tyrrell Forward Queen's University Ireland


Dyne Fenton Smith Forward Richmond England Played Played Played Phil Waller Forward Newport Wales Played Played Played James Reid-Kerr Forward Greenock Wanderers Scotland


R.C. Stevenson Forward St Andrews University RFC Scotland Played Played Played L.M. Speirs Forward Watsonians Scotland


E. O'D Crean Forward Liverpool Englanduncapped


Harry Jarman Forward Newport Wales Played Played Played O.J.S. Piper Forward Cork Constitution Ireland Played

William Albert Robertson Forward Edinburgh University Scotland


Charles Pillman Forward Blackheath England
Played Played W.J. Ashby Forward Queen's College Ireland


F.G. Handford Forward Kersal England Played Played Played Tom Richards Forward Bristol Australia Played Played
Jim Webb Forward Abertillery Wales Played Played Played

Results


Date Opponent Location Result Score Match 1 11 June South Western Districts Mossel Bay Won 14–4 Match 2 15 June Western Province (County) Cape Town Won 11–3 Match 3 18 June Western Province (College) Cape Town Won 9–3 Match 4 22 June Western Province (Town) Cape Town Drew 11–11 Match 5 25 June Western Province Cape Town Won 5–3 Match 6 29 June Griqualand West Kimberley Lost 0–8 Match 7 2 July Transvaal Johannesburg Lost 8–27 Match 8 5 July Pretoria Pretoria Won 17–0 Match 9 7 July Transvaal (County) Johannesburg Won 45–4 Match 10 9 July Transvaal Johannesburg Lost 6–13 Match 11 13 July Natal Pietermaritzburg Won 18–16 Match 12 16 July Natal Durban Won 19–13 Match 13 20 July Orange River County Bloemfontein Won 12–9 Match 14 23 July Griqualand West Kimberley Lost 3–9 Match 15 27 July Cape Colony Kimberley Lost 0–19 Match 16 30 July Rhodesia Bulawayo Won 24–11 Match 17 6 August South Africa Wanderers Ground, Johannesburg Lost 10–14 Match 18 10 August North Eastern Districts Burgersdorp Drew 8–8 Match 19 13 August Border East London Won 30–10 Match 20 17 August Border King Williams Town Drew 13–13 Match 21 20 August Eastern Province Port Elizabeth Won 14–6 Match 22 27 August South Africa Crusaders Ground, Port Elizabeth Won 8–3 Match 23 3 September South Africa Newlands, Cape Town Lost 5–21 Match 24 6 September Western Province Cape Town Lost 0–8


But there is a picture of the First Test Side...he is second on the left, middle row standing... I ' m trying to paste




Oops it won't on my desktop...don't know why...might on my laptop...I think jpg does not work on this.



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WardadPro6,663 posts
05 Apr 2017, 11:36
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05 Apr 2017, 11:36#9
 Was it the first touring ABs who started using men in proper positions and formations ? As a former tight head I whole heartedly agree with this article . Sea gulling backs are the bane of all decent hearted backs what with their sneaky running fast dodgy biz.Unlike yer straight running head down no deviating plowing into the enemy forwards .Brave men charge at a wall of muscled jersey without fear while the wee sneaky gits in back look for an opening that precludes harm to their lovely hair dos.
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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
05 Apr 2017, 12:48
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05 Apr 2017, 12:48#10
  the winner was the pack that won the most set pieces.

Basically, determined by reffing.
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