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14 Feb 2024, 17:51#3
Kerevi ???
The obvious creative players are Libbok and Willemse, definitely not Esterhuizen and besides Esterhuizen turns 30 this year
Willie was our master at creating for others - Willemse and Libbok have that in them, so does Gelant
14 Feb 2024, 18:19#5
Willemse does have it in him to create that necessary space….Kurt-Lee,s try against England is a a example of Willemse creating…Esterhozen is definitely up there and with the input of Brown these guys will flourish…
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14 Feb 2024, 18:48#7
Yeah but you can’t rely on the offload as your creative tool - you need a player with the gift to scan, pause, identify opportunities and then execute to create for those around him.
DuPont is the master at this, Willie was for the Boks, Russell is for Scotland
Willemse and Libbok have elements of this
Esterhuizen and the offload is more of an individual, narrow vision tool to keep the attack alive whereas the creativity Im on about is more for the team as a whole - it’s a wider vision
It’s why France are struggling right now - their creator has gone awol
14 Feb 2024, 19:18#8
What about Moodie at 12? He has shown the potential to be very good there….but maybe also more a player that exploits the space rather then create it? Sascha Feinberg, although he is a bit on the small size, another one with the ability to create….plenty potential play makers.
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14 Feb 2024, 19:28#9
Moodie looks more of a finisher so 13 is ideal for him
I really like the look of Sacha - he looks set to be the real deal - he glides
Flyhalf looks his best option but potentially 12 if he muscles up a bit.
He certainly has the frame and is already a respectable 94kg
Brown will love working with Fassi , Arendse, Green, Moodie, Willemse, David Kriel, Libbok, Sacha, Williams, Nohamba and Hendrikse
14 Feb 2024, 20:18#10
I think space should be made for Henco van Wyk to….what a talent at 13.
14 Feb 2024, 20:23#11
A good Question would be, why has Rassie not picked Tyrone Green??? Is it a transformation thing or what?? The guy is good enough and only 25.
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14 Feb 2024, 20:33#12
Yeah Henco v Wyk looks good seems to always bust the first tackle and is a good defender
He is a similar kind of player to Jessie Kriel whereas Moodie is more like Am. They are just naturally gifted talents - they glide, they are smooth, great rugby brains
Kriel and v Wyk lack that finesse but they work
I reckon Green will struggle to get into the Bok side as he is white and would probably have to compete for a spot on the wing. It’s sad, I would not be surprised to see him capped by England soon once he is eligible after 5 years which will be in 2025
15 Feb 2024, 00:17#13
The same counts for Tambwe who has a desire to play test Rugby for the Boks, but somehow his SA Passport has not been sorted out yet….a guy like that with 9 tries in 19 appearances for Bordeaux Begles, can easily be capped by France.
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15 Feb 2024, 10:28#16
Esterhuizen turns 30 this year no point
We need to find the next young 12
Willemse or David Kriel for me
We also need to get Rickus Pretorious back playing in SA
15 Feb 2024, 10:35#17
Agreed on the age issue…it would be best to find that new young 12….Rikus by all means and he has played 12 or 13 already….very gifted player with a all round skill set.
15 Feb 2024, 10:38#18
David Kriel looks solid, but defence might be a issue?
15 Feb 2024, 12:31#19
Sometimes I wish we can leave voice messages on here : )
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15 Feb 2024, 12:49#20
David Kriel is a big guy at over 100kg or thereabouts. Same build and similar player to Jordie Barrett.
Runs good lines, has a great offload. Seems to easily slip tackles. His defence is good.
He also adds that utility element given he is equally at home at 12, 13 and 15
He has really impressed me at 12 for the Bulls - keeping the likes of Hendricks and Vorster out of the starting side
15 Feb 2024, 12:53#21
Yes he is also tall at 1,95 m 99 kg and Rickus is 1,93m at 102 kg…imagine those two as a Center pairing : )
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15 Feb 2024, 14:49#22
I want to see Jake play David Kriel at 12 and Moodie at 13 for the Bulls but chances are the fool will stick with Gans at 13 and play Moodie on the wing
Really frustrating
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15 Feb 2024, 20:23#23
I’d like to see this backline in the very near future
15. Fassi
14. Tambwe
13. Moodie
12. Willemse
11. Arendse
10. Pollard
9. Williams
21. Nohamba
22. Libbok
23. David Kriel
16 Feb 2024, 10:38#27
Esterhuisen will be 33 come 27 WC and hopefully in good condition …but a Young playmaker 12 is needed to slot in place seamlessly…DA will be 36 and maybe he will still feature, who knows with Rassie …Hopefully there is some surprises in player selection this season.
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16 Feb 2024, 12:47#28
Esterhuizen is too old now we need a younger investment at 12
With David Kriel (100kg) and Rickus Pretorious (104kg) we have physicality
But I fancy the idea of a Willemse/ Moodie centre combo
Willemse is a tough nut and I’m guessing these days he must be over 95kg closer to 100kg as he has definitely muscled up and likes the physical stuff. We would want him to attack space as much as possible but take it up in traffic when need be - obviously he won’t be as effective as DA or Esterhuizen taking it up but has a good offload on him so it’s a case of changing our mode of attack a little
I’m also hoping the currently injured SA schools inside sensation 19 year old Bruce Sherwood breaks the big time soon. He has already featured for the WP senior side.
Our new Jean de Villiers but even more skilful. He is a big physical unit as well with plenty of skill
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16 Feb 2024, 12:48#29
I see fucking Jake has Moodie on the wing again this weekend
Idiot
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16 Feb 2024, 16:35#31
Spot on King - our rugby has got it so right we can’t say the same for our cricket
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16 Feb 2024, 17:19#33
Impressive list of merit non white players:
Fullbacks:
Gelant / Fassi
Wings:
Mapimpi / Kolbe / Nkosi / Tambwe / Zas / Arendse / Skosan / Senatla / Sergel Petersen / Davids / Jacobs / Maxwane / Edwil vd Merwe / Ismiel / Rhule / Lleyds / Penxe / Dyantyi/ Pienaar
Centres:
Am / Moodie / Willemse / Similane / Gans / Xamlashe / Hartzenberg / Lorenzo Julius
Flyhalves:
Jantjies / Libbok / Lombard / Hendrikse / Sacha
Scrumhalves:
Williams / Jantjies / Papier / Hendrikse / Nohamba
Props:
Nyakane / Ox / Matanzima / Ntlabakayne / Mchunu x 2 / Nqoboko / Sandi
Hookers:
Mbonambi / Dweba / Mbatha / Scara
Locks:
Moerat
Loosies:
Kolisi / Buthelezi / Xaba / Vincent Tsituka / Emmanuel Tsituka / Carr / Notshe / Dayamani / Augustus / Gumede / Morabe / Sangweni / Oupa
65 players the majority of which would not let a test side down and some of which are close if not the best in their respective positions not only in SA but in the game as a whole