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Willie has grown under Meyer's watch

Started by Beeno19 REPLIES194 VIEWS· 17 Jun 2014, 16:51
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jun 2014, 16:51
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17 Jun 2014, 16:51#1

A word of caution to the meyer knockers here. One may have doubts in some cases re Meyer but dont go and trash the man. 

Willie le Roux is testament to the fact that Heyneke Meyer amplifies a players' attacking potency, not detracts from it, writes RYAN VREDE.

I've grown tired of the rhetoric that seeks to paint Meyer as a force that draws all attacking skill from his players, particularly backline players. His detractors claim he creates kicking monsters, ones devoid of independent thought and action. What utter nonsense. 

As a start, a kick, when the field situation and opposition demands, and is executed correctly, can be a wonderfully creative option. Beauty is subjective, and its definition in a rugby context extends beyond a sweeping, running manoeuvre featuring deft sidesteps and offloads (Take rugby's most exciting move the rolling maul!!). Certainly those things are desirable, but their absence or rare exhibition isn't indicative of a lack of creativity, imagination or ambition. 

Meyer's players don't lack these skills and he doesn't lack the skill to coach teams to play in this manner. He opts to maximise other primary strengths and reduces the risk for defeat by opting to take more risks in the opposition's half than in his. Meyer continues to evolve his approach, but not at the expense of his side's potential to win. 

His formula is proven. His champion Bulls teams, and I include the sides that thrived post his departure from the franchise first in 2007, were consistently prolific scorers. Bryan Habana built his reputation as one of the game's best wingers under Meyer's watch and within similar attacking structures the Springboks are employing now. It is no coincidence that his try-scoring form returned under Meyer after a woeful period with Peter de Villiers in charge

And it is no surprise that Le Roux has emerged as the Springboks' primary attacking threat in the backline with Meyer at the helm. Le Roux isn't given a licence to dazzle. This is a good thing. Free rein would undermine his and the team's cause. Instead he is given freedom of expression within a framework. Meyer has added a tactical awareness to his game and has improved him as a tactical kicker. He is more for Meyer's tutelage, not less. 

What we saw through his excellent performance against Wales on Saturday was a player with a clearly defined role, one he understands and believes in, and a player high on the confidence gained from a coach who is completely invested in him.

I'm in no way trying to downplay Le Roux's role in his own success. His work ethic, talent, temperament, determination and rugby intelligence has crafted the player he is. The point I'm trying to make is a nuclear missile is useless in the hands of a man without the professional competency to launch it. Meyer knows the code and has pushed the right buttons. And Le Roux is not alone in benefiting in this way. 

The Springboks scored an average of 3.9 tries per Test in 2013, the best record of all of the elite sides. They've started the 2014 Test season with a five-try rout of a good Wales side and there is potential for further attacking growth. They are side best placed to knock the All Blacks off their perch. These are reasons to celebrate. (you could add in Oz and England as well)

As is the emergence of Le Roux as a player of outstanding attacking accomplishment. He hasn't become this version of himself by accident. Let's give Meyer his due and encourage him in his bid to extend his Le Roux-like influence to other members of his squad. 

But Meyer please!! No matfiled! Have him in the squad if necessary to pass on experience but that's it.


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oimateyPro1,870 posts
17 Jun 2014, 23:51
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17 Jun 2014, 23:51#2
Funny thing that Meyer's structured game plan has allowed a creative spirit like LeRoux to flourish, eh? I bet Meyer isn't surprised.
There is a real danger that the Boks will become too dependent on LeRoux providing all the creativity and attacking play. It is important that the other players in the backline continue to take initiative, create and attack and if necessary it should be game planned into the offensive approach. Otherwise we'll be in trouble if LeRoux has a bad day (which will happen) or gets injured.



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CeradynePro9,374 posts
18 Jun 2014, 00:19
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18 Jun 2014, 00:19#3
 

oimatey

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Posts: 1114 RE: Willie has grown under Meyer's watch
June 17, 2014, 21:51:49 Funny thing that Meyer's structured game plan has allowed a creative spirit like LeRoux to flourish, eh? I bet Meyer isn't surprised.


You will have old Safesex swallowing his desk.

And to think that that has happened despite that "useless no-name" Bulls backline coach.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jun 2014, 01:38
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18 Jun 2014, 01:38#4
Going all the way back to last years RC we have been scoring tries. We got tripped up at Ellis Park because we fed the ABs turnover machine in search of 4 tries. We also had one player that made three try scoring mistakes...you can't have that kind of robotic play. 
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oimateyPro1,870 posts
18 Jun 2014, 04:14
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18 Jun 2014, 04:14#5
No doubt Moz. Meyers teams, even going back to the Bulls, have not had a problem scoring tries.
I guess fresh in my mind is the sight of Lebron James and the Heat being annihilated in the Finals by the Spurs whose highest scoring player this year was only ranked 43rd in the league. The Heat seemed at a loss for ideas and unable to score every time Lebron was on the bench. A complete team with several threats will always outperform.
Maybe that doesn't really translate to rugby where there are 10 more players on the field.


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Jun 2014, 11:12
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18 Jun 2014, 11:12#6
 
Oh please!!!!

Meyer wanted Kirchner and was determined to play him till the friggin cows came home.

He kept praising the idiot just as he praised the "brilliant" JJ. Both Bulls by the way.

Injury forced his hand and with great trepidation Willie was brought in as the only option available. It had nothing to do with Meyer. He doesn't have the balls to be bold. Meyer is a natural coward.

He's more afraid of what his people will say about him than showing he has a pair.

We saw this weekend how well the youngster did in the side. We saw how average the pensioners were. To think the Boks could have thumped the hapless Welsh by 100 pts had this ass of coach selected properly.

The only time the rightful guys will play for the Bokke is when Meyer's hand is forced. Where he has no other choice but to move away from his broedersbond instructions.

Willie's brilliance has nothing to do with Meyer.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2014, 11:37
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18 Jun 2014, 11:37#7
 Mozart
The following is a classic:-
"We got tripped up at Ellis Park because we fed the ABs turnover machine in search of 4 tries."

Lets see how the tripping went that you spoke about insofar as the AB's tries are concerned:-
*  First AB try - this had nothing to do with being tripped by the AB's turnover machine and everything to do with a routine tackle on Read by Alberts and a similar routine tackle by Morne Steyn.
*   Second try - there was a maul 10 meters out.  Aaron Smith got the ball and was tackled falling at the feet of Alberts.  Instead of trying to recover the tackle ball, Alberts fell over his own feet and Messam got the ball and drove it over the line.
*    Third try -  for a change we won a trunover ball inside our own 22 seconds before halftime.  Morne Struck a blank and instead of making a relieving kick - the logical thing to do - he passed the ball and it ended up with Engelbrecht having to face two defenders.  They recovered the ball and Messam scored his second try.  A streak of robotic idiocy the reason for that one.  
*    Fourth try - all of De Villiers - who went out of the defensive line - Morne and Engeklbrecht missed routine tackles on Barrett.
*    Fifth try - a tstrng of missed tackles resulted in Read running 80 meters to score this try.
Now tell me where was the turnover machine at work here?  Maybe in the third try - but the real reason was a serious lack of reading of the game by Steyn - he really was seriously deficient/idiotic in that case.
The other tries were all due to poor defense by Morne, Alberts, Engelbrecht and even De Villiers - nothing to do with the so-called turnover machine.
The idiocy to play Alberts as a loosie was seriously exposed during that match.  The other loosies and players like Etzebeth  and Bismarck neutralized the famous turnover machine you spoke about.           
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
18 Jun 2014, 11:38
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18 Jun 2014, 11:38#8
Oh what utter garbage, Meyer has had stuff all to do with Willie's rise.......conservative Meyer was reluctant to select Willie as early as the EOYT......it was injury to another player that forced Meyer's hand  
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jun 2014, 12:06
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18 Jun 2014, 12:06#9
 oi-matey
The Meyer teams did have problems in scoring tries in 2012.   However, since he made a change by bringing in a playmaker like e Roux - the situation changed drastically.  
With a player like Steyn at flyhalf and the ball hogging Fransie at 12 in 2012 it was virtually impossible got the backline to function properly.   The tide only turned in the 2012 test against the Aussies in Pretoria - when both two Steyns were not in the team.
In the EOYT in 2012 Lambie was brought on board as flyhalf and told by Meyer to play a kicking game in the tests against the Irish and the Scots and tries became virtually non-existent.   That was publicly changed before the 2012 English test - where Lambie was told to play his natural game.  Kirchner frequently entered the backline to create an overlap - but De Jongh was nowhere to be found and there was no overlap as a result. and the ball routinely died with Kirchner.   No backline tries as a result.
In 2013 the scenario changed when Le Roux was brought into the team - a forced change because Kirchner was injured.   Meyer in fact waited till after Kirchner played from the bench to announce the test side.  Kirchner was so bad - Meyer had no option but to go for Le Roux.
Le Roux has been a natural playmaker all along.   That caused the backline to have three real playmakers in De Villiers, Habana and Le Roux in the backline and the situation improved drastically.   in the June tests and the RC.   It was partially successful in the RC - but was clouded by poor defense in the Mendoza test and the tests against the AB's and iniiotic flyhalf play in both the AB tests.
The 2013 EOYT was similarly problenatic and only a few tries scored.  Part of the problem once again was the unimaginative play of our inside backs and the lack of attacking ability by Jacque Fourie.
The last test was in fact the Willie le Roux show.  He was critically involved in four of the fiive tries scored on Saturday.  
What is crucial here is we need playmakers nearer to the tight 5 and with the absence of De Villiers there is none in existence.   Morne never initiate any try scoring plays - and he and Du Preez never attack the gain line anymore like the latter used to do before he went to Japan.
I seriously believe that our main problem having a serious impact on our backline performances is the robotic play of our inside backs - that will not change as long as we are stuck with players like Du Preez and Morne in those positions.  What we really need is -
*   to find a playmaking half back pair; and*   to find an acceptable solution to the thorny 13 center issue.
That is why I favour even playing Pollard asap at flyhalf and suggesting they look at Reinach and De Klerk - phasing them in slowly into the Springbok set-up.   From what i have seen of De Allende - he is indeed a playmaker in that he not only scores tries himself - but also create space and make off-loads creating opportunities for others to score numerous tries.  He is very strong and has both the speed and the thinking ability to make things happen.  Pity he is injured at present.                
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
18 Jun 2014, 12:21
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18 Jun 2014, 12:21#10
 
Tell you one thing ... I've become a big Esterhuizen fan. That man mountain with De Allende on his outside would be quite something to behold.

Think of them having Pollard on their inside at 10 with Faff or Reinach at 9 and Willie at the back.

All we need then is to get our wings sorted with Mvovo and maybe Sithole and we'd have a potent backline.

A man can dream, right? 

9. Reinach 10. Pollard 11. Mvovo 12. Esterhuisen 13. De Allende 14. Sithole 15. Le Roux

with Lambie, Faff and Jordaan waiting on the bench.



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